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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 23, 2013 21:34:07 GMT -5
Add Brock (as monster heel) vs Bryan (technical submission badass underdog) to that list and you have my money. Punk vs Brock would be great as well and I am happy to see it on if this newz is real I was just thinking about this last night. I really want to see a full on, multi month/PPV feud between Bryan & Brock. They would put on some terrific matches IMO! I hate to be one of those guys, but it feels like it'd be one of those situations where people laugh at the concept even though it would be awesome. Considering Bryan's matches against Takeshi Morishima, him trying to be a giant slayer against Big Bad Brock would be fantastic. In the WWE Universe though, no way. Honestly, as horrid as the promos would be, I'd be interested in Brock vs. Orton. Orton stole Brock's youngest champion ever accolade right from under him and the idea's supposed to be that Orton can be just as vicious when he has to be.
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Post by molson5 on Jan 23, 2013 21:37:08 GMT -5
Is the WWE even making money off of this deal? 2 matches for millions of dollars. I know the WWE is a multi-million dollar company, so they can't be that dumb, but sometimes I wonder. Extreme Rules and Summerslam generated 115,000 more combined buys than those shows did the year before, which comes out to almost $6 million in gross revenue, and I believe the WWE keeps about half that. Then there's merchandise, and whatever increase gates they do for his TV appearances. And they still have him for Mania, the RAWs leading up to that, and maybe even the Elimination Chamber and/or the Rumble. So I'd think they make something off him, but even if they broke even he's probably worth it just for the brand and the value of putting on better shows with bigger stars.
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Post by Essential1 on Jan 23, 2013 22:07:14 GMT -5
lol@Brock vs Daniel Bryan.
It's going to be awhile before people take Bryan seriously.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 23, 2013 22:18:47 GMT -5
Is this current "Lots of money for a few shows a year" thing really doing it for anyone? I'm a fan of Brock and all but unless there's some big payoff, I'm not exactly seeing the upside to having him work so few days. He's a special attraction. Since he's not around all the time, when he actually does show up, it comes off like a big deal. That's a big reason why the Rock draws so well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 22:45:06 GMT -5
Everyone miss the point that it looks like Brock would be a face?
Happy smiling Brock is back?
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 24, 2013 0:49:30 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar is not the Rock and does not have nearly the big-sell appeal that the Rock has. Really, all Brock brings to WWE are the curious and MMA fans who knock pro wrestling whenever Brock's not in the ring. The Rock, in the ten years since he left the regular roster, has been regularly in films and on TV. All of the WWE universe know who he is and why he is a big deal; the Rock is worth a mint every time he's on WWE TV.
I honestly can't see Vince McMahon making money on Brock Lesnar, certainly not on the schedule proposed and the money Lesnar's getting. The only match I could see Lesnar in that would make Vince money would be vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania, and even then it'd be a foregone conclusion that Undertaker would win because the streak needs to end with a rub and Lesnar, a guest competitor, will not get that rub.
Orton? A heel Orton is still an Orton with baggage and I don't think Vince would trust Orton to pull off the match if it means making Lesnar look good.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 24, 2013 0:55:58 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar is not the Rock and does not have nearly the big-sell appeal that the Rock has. Really, all Brock brings to WWE are the curious and MMA fans who knock pro wrestling whenever Brock's not in the ring. The Rock, in the ten years since he left the regular roster, has been regularly in films and on TV. All of the WWE universe know who he is and why he is a big deal; the Rock is worth a mint every time he's on WWE TV. I honestly can't see Vince McMahon making money on Brock Lesnar, certainly not on the schedule proposed and the money Lesnar's getting. The only match I could see Lesnar in that would make Vince money would be vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania, and even then it'd be a foregone conclusion that Undertaker would win because the streak needs to end with a rub and Lesnar, a guest competitor, will not get that rub. Orton? A heel Orton is still an Orton with baggage and I don't think Vince would trust Orton to pull off the match if it means making Lesnar look good. Lesnar was worth around 50K buys for both of his PPV appearances last year. The Summerslam one was impressive because there was nothing else on the card worth a damn.
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Post by The Tee Why on Jan 24, 2013 0:57:32 GMT -5
I dont wanna see Orton vs Lesnar at all, something tells me they'd do the ever so bad ass(sarcasm) 'booting someone out of WWE via kick in the head;'
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jan 24, 2013 0:59:04 GMT -5
Lesnar's involvement kept viewership and ticket sales up after Wrestlemania, leading to a larger buy-rate for Extreme Rules. His involvement also shot the buyrate for Summerslam up by more ethan 100,000 people. His merch seems to have sold well. His contract has already paid for itself. Anything else he brings in (as far as the build to Mania, etc) is pure profit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 0:59:10 GMT -5
So, guessing at some point they're going to wise up and have Heyman turn on Punk to make him go face again. Kind of figured anyway.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 24, 2013 1:01:49 GMT -5
Can you imagine the buyrates for Lesnar-Mayweather?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 1:07:58 GMT -5
Why?
Why pay Brock Lesnar $5 million for a few matches when he's not going to make that back for you at all? Few more buys at Summerslam and Extreme Rules, but he won't do much money-wise with The Rock already on the card.
It makes zero sense to me.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 24, 2013 1:19:10 GMT -5
I'd like to see Brock get a Big Evil Undertaker type of push, where he has mini feuds wwith midcarders on free TV in order to build him up for a PPV match against a top star.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 24, 2013 1:25:52 GMT -5
Why? Why pay Brock Lesnar $5 million for a few matches when he's not going to make that back for you at all? Few more buys at Summerslam and Extreme Rules, but he won't do much money-wise with The Rock already on the card. It makes zero sense to me. Few more buys? Throw that match off Summerslam and see how many buys that show does. It had no effect on storylines, what happened would have happened anyway. Even at 50K buys, just the year over year increase, that's $3M more the show cleared. Obviously the WWE doesn't see all of that, but I would bet they've already broken even on their investment + considering licensing and merch and such.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 24, 2013 1:35:15 GMT -5
Why? Why pay Brock Lesnar $5 million for a few matches when he's not going to make that back for you at all? Few more buys at Summerslam and Extreme Rules, but he won't do much money-wise with The Rock already on the card. It makes zero sense to me. Few more buys? Throw that match off Summerslam and see how many buys that show does. It had no effect on storylines, what happened would have happened anyway. Even at 50K buys, just the year over year increase, that's $3M more the show cleared. Obviously the WWE doesn't see all of that, but I would bet they've already broken even on their investment + considering licensing and merch and such. You can't really credit Brock Lesnar for an extra 50k buys just because it was up from last year. Summerslam usually does pretty good. 2011's was just an exception. It would have been one thing if it had been like Wrestlemania where The Rock ended up helping the WWE bring in the most Wrestlemania buys ever, but 2012 Summerslam wasn't even close to being the most profitable.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 24, 2013 1:37:06 GMT -5
Few more buys? Throw that match off Summerslam and see how many buys that show does. It had no effect on storylines, what happened would have happened anyway. Even at 50K buys, just the year over year increase, that's $3M more the show cleared. Obviously the WWE doesn't see all of that, but I would bet they've already broken even on their investment + considering licensing and merch and such. You can't really credit Brock Lesnar for an extra 50k buys just because it was up from last year. Summerslam usually does pretty good. 2011's was just an exception. It would have been one thing if it had been like Wrestlemania where The Rock ended up helping the WWE bring in the most Wrestlemania buys ever, but 2012 Summerslam wasn't even close to being the most profitable. Why can't I? It was a year to year increase and there was nothing on this card. I don't think people were paying to see ADR/Sheamus 14 or the 3 way with Show put in to do the job. When companies do their profit/loss, it's year over year, not all-time.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 24, 2013 1:57:04 GMT -5
You can't really credit Brock Lesnar for an extra 50k buys just because it was up from last year. Summerslam usually does pretty good. 2011's was just an exception. It would have been one thing if it had been like Wrestlemania where The Rock ended up helping the WWE bring in the most Wrestlemania buys ever, but 2012 Summerslam wasn't even close to being the most profitable. Why can't I? It was a year to year increase and there was nothing on this card. I don't think people were paying to see ADR/Sheamus 14 or the 3 way with Show put in to do the job. When companies do their profit/loss, it's year over year, not all-time. Just because you didn't care about the matches, doesn't mean that's the case with everyone. You have nothing to back up your statement but the fact that you think Lesnar/HHH was a big match and that it brought in 50k buyrates because that's what it was up from the year before. That's not actual evidence. It's just a wild assumption.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 24, 2013 2:02:41 GMT -5
Why can't I? It was a year to year increase and there was nothing on this card. I don't think people were paying to see ADR/Sheamus 14 or the 3 way with Show put in to do the job. When companies do their profit/loss, it's year over year, not all-time. Just because you didn't care about the matches, doesn't mean that's the case with everyone. You have nothing to back up your statement but the fact that you think Lesnar/HHH was a big match and that it brought in 50k buyrates because that's what it was up from the year before. That's not actual evidence. It's just a wild assumption. Hardly a wild one. The semi-main was for all intents and purposes the ME from the prior year with Big Show thrown in, just because.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 24, 2013 2:02:48 GMT -5
Why? Why pay Brock Lesnar $5 million for a few matches when he's not going to make that back for you at all? Few more buys at Summerslam and Extreme Rules, but he won't do much money-wise with The Rock already on the card. It makes zero sense to me. Few more buys? Throw that match off Summerslam and see how many buys that show does. It had no effect on storylines, what happened would have happened anyway. Even at 50K buys, just the year over year increase, that's $3M more the show cleared. Obviously the WWE doesn't see all of that, but I would bet they've already broken even on their investment + considering licensing and merch and such. Yeah, I think Brock is a huge draw in the US, but not so much elsewhere. While Rock is a bigger draw internationally.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 24, 2013 2:03:41 GMT -5
Few more buys? Throw that match off Summerslam and see how many buys that show does. It had no effect on storylines, what happened would have happened anyway. Even at 50K buys, just the year over year increase, that's $3M more the show cleared. Obviously the WWE doesn't see all of that, but I would bet they've already broken even on their investment + considering licensing and merch and such. Yeah, I think Brock is a huge draw in the US, but not so much elsewhere. While Rock is a bigger draw internationally. Agreed, I really don't mean this as a comparison, whatever they're paying Rock probably isn't enough, unless he's getting a %.
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