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Post by slappy on Mar 9, 2013 16:08:53 GMT -5
I don't see why some care so much about what others spend their money on. If they want to help out someone they admired or liked as a child or even now why does it matter? It's just funny how people think 80 grand is gonna work when the 6 figure rehab bill footed by WWE did nothing. I don't understand this whole mentality of you must be a cold heartless prick if you think this is ridiculous. Have you followed Scott Hall at all for the past 20 years? This isn't about getting him sober. This is about getting him surgery. I don't think the WWE pays for surgeries, just rehab to quit addictions. "Our goal is to raise $80,000 to cover his hip replacement surgery, physical therapy, dental work, and his continuing medical expenses." This isn't raise $80,000 to give to DDP to piss away. It's for surgeries. I'm not saying you can't find it ridiculous but to scold or put down people who do want to do it is ridiculous.
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Post by southsider on Mar 9, 2013 16:25:43 GMT -5
It's just funny how people think 80 grand is gonna work when the 6 figure rehab bill footed by WWE did nothing. I don't understand this whole mentality of you must be a cold heartless prick if you think this is ridiculous. Have you followed Scott Hall at all for the past 20 years? This isn't about getting him sober. This is about getting him surgery. I don't think the WWE pays for surgeries, just rehab to quit addictions. "Our goal is to raise $80,000 to cover his hip replacement surgery, physical therapy, dental work, and his continuing medical expenses." This isn't raise $80,000 to give to DDP to piss away. It's for surgeries. I'm not saying you can't find it ridiculous but to scold or put down people who do want to do it is ridiculous. Surgery is covered by WWE if you can prove that the injury happened in their ring. But still, to me, this just seems like a Relapse fund. Get the guy his surgery, make him feel better. Do some yoga for a few months, lose some weight. Soon as he steps foot outside of the watchful gaze of DDP, who knows what will happen. A beer would probably sound good right about then. All I'm saying is it's a crapshoot. I hate gambling so I'm against this.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 9, 2013 16:28:56 GMT -5
I think listening to the Art of Wrestling this week makes me doubt this. Scott Hall disappoints everybody. Little Razor was low on the list, and I think the people donating will be low on the list as well.
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Post by southsider on Mar 9, 2013 16:29:50 GMT -5
I think listening to the Art of Wrestling this week makes me doubt this. Scott Hall disappoints everybody. Little Razor was low on the list, and I think the people donating will be low on the list as well. Which one was that? I will listen later but can you elaborate on that?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 9, 2013 16:39:03 GMT -5
I think listening to the Art of Wrestling this week makes me doubt this. Scott Hall disappoints everybody. Little Razor was low on the list, and I think the people donating will be low on the list as well. Which one was that? I will listen later but can you elaborate on that? It's the current one with Jonny Storm. He was dubbed "Little Razor" as a fan. When met by Jeff Jarrett and Bret Hart, they were happy to see him (Jarrett especially who pulled him into a room so he could gush about how happy he was to see him and Jonny got extra bookings in TNA before his visa expired). So Scott Hall finally does a show in England, blows off Jonny, but eventually figures out who he was. They were gonna do an angle where Scott endorsed him, but the promoter told him it wasn't going to happen (signalled anyway) while Jonny was in the ring. Colt and Jonny then talked about how he was let down by Scott, and Colt talked about how a lot of people probably felt that. Colt also said that Little Razor is probably low on the list when his son wants still wants some love from his dad and that this is what a lot of people in Scott's life probably felt. And it's really a harsh thing to say, and both guys laughed it off, but it's true. Scott Hall showed up at that event wasted, and only figured out who Jonny Storm was when he sobered up.
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Post by southsider on Mar 9, 2013 16:50:03 GMT -5
Which one was that? I will listen later but can you elaborate on that? It's the current one with Jonny Storm. He was dubbed "Little Razor" as a fan. When met by Jeff Jarrett and Bret Hart, they were happy to see him (Jarrett especially who pulled him into a room so he could gush about how happy he was to see him and Jonny got extra bookings in TNA before his visa expired). So Scott Hall finally does a show in England, blows off Jonny, but eventually figures out who he was. They were gonna do an angle where Scott endorsed him, but the promoter told him it wasn't going to happen (signalled anyway) while Jonny was in the ring. Colt and Jonny then talked about how he was let down by Scott, and Colt talked about how a lot of people probably felt that. Colt also said that Little Razor is probably low on the list when his son wants still wants some love from his dad and that this is what a lot of people in Scott's life probably felt. And it's really a harsh thing to say, and both guys laughed it off, but it's true. Scott Hall showed up at that event wasted, and only figured out who Jonny Storm was when he sobered up. While I don't necessarily blame Scott for blowing off the guy, I agree with the sentiment. I can't imagine that HBK for example who has known Scott since they were both rookies isn't disappointed. A guy like Nash goes without saying. It sucks because the first match that really got me into wrestling was the WM X ladder match. I still can't bring myself to donate because he had so many chances already and his "big return" should have been 6-7 years ago. I'm not mad at people who donate but I'm very pessimistic that it will really help in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 16:57:37 GMT -5
Why doesn't DDP do a yoga DVD drive to pay for Scott Hall if he "believes in him, bro?" Oh yeah, because it's a scam. They're staging things for a reality show pilot and this is now the second time DDP is asking for fans to give him money (first was for Jake Roberts, now Scott Hall). It's all a cash grab. To help people out, apparently, but it's still money DDP wouldn't spend himself on his friends, so he's asking "the marks" to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 17:02:43 GMT -5
Why doesn't DDP go a yoga DVD drive to pay for Scott Hall if he "believes in him, bro?" Oh yeah, because it's a scam. They're staging things for a reality show pilot and this is now the second time DDP is asking for fans to give him money (first was for Jake Roberts, now Scott Hall). It's all a cash grab. To help people out, apparently, but it's still money DDP wouldn't spend himself on his friends, so he's asking "the marks" to do it. yeah because giving away 80 grand is a piece of cake. And again, people will get back stuff for their money, nothing different than to go on highspots.tv and buy an 15$ card or 30$ t-shirt, and here the money actually serves a cause. Oh those stupid marks that help a man in need. I hate the people like that, all nice and willing to help those who need it. Bunch of losers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 17:06:09 GMT -5
I'd rather see the hidden camera footage of the conversation DDP, Hall, Roberts, and DDP's video editor had discussing how each of them needed to film segments where they each end up crying, while saying "it's different this time, bro," and to carefully edit them with triumphant background music so that they can be posted just before asking people to give them money on Indiegogo. That's the reality of all of this.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 9, 2013 17:23:41 GMT -5
I'd heard Anvil was having some problems, but I didn't know he was in that bad of shape. Hopefully they'll reach out to him too. Matt Hardy is someone else who seems like this could help him. Really? Matt Hardy? I'm pretty sure he's in the midst of taking responsibility for his actions and is already living a better life. I hadn't heard from him in a while one way or the other, so I assumed he was still where he was at. It's definitely good if he's turning it around, though DDP can definitely help him get back into shape and still reinforce that he can keep himself above it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 17:32:04 GMT -5
Make no mistake, these cameras aren't just conveniently there recording what's going on and being uploaded to YouTube for fun. It's a strategic plan, with financial goals in mind. We're talking about a bunch of guys who have worked the people out of their money on camera their entire lives. This time it's to sell a yoga program for DDP, and to work the fans into giving their money to Jake Roberts and Scott Hall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 17:45:03 GMT -5
Make no mistake, these cameras aren't just conveniently there recording what's going on and being uploaded to YouTube for fun. It's a strategic plan, with financial goals in mind. We're talking about a bunch of guys who have worked the people out of their money on camera their entire lives. This time it's to sell a yoga program for DDP, and to work the fans into giving their money to Jake Roberts and Scott Hall. Its an obvious produced video. Thank you for that insight. It looks much better to give money after such an video than after Shane Douglas self shoot on Iphone while drunk and rambling. I assume the army guy that recovered through DDP yoga is also a fake story because its an professionally edited video. I hate to break it down and burst the conspiracy bubble but if someone wants to look like an real company/program/business there's a huge chance that their promotional videos aren't shot in real life but rather edited to attract whomever they are trying to. But there are also kickstarter conspiracies, like giving money to get in return something, to justify giving away money as not just a way to help the kick starter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 17:48:36 GMT -5
It's different this time, bro.
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Post by slappy on Mar 9, 2013 17:53:01 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is. People want to donate, no one is forcing them, and they get stuff in return from a mention on a website and DVD to actually meeting the guys and stuff in between.
I don't see what the difference is between donating money to Scott Hall and getting an autograph in return and giving money to say Colt Cabana and getting an autograph in return.
It's not like this is the cost of rehab with DDP. It is for surgery and medical expenses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 17:56:10 GMT -5
It's different this time, bro. Of course, DDP is trying to rip off 80k because screw the millions he can make by spreading the positive word from his videos. I bet that a guy that can reach to many people with a heartwarming story and make plenty money by selling the effective Yoga program is willing to trash his DDP yoga with a hoax story. I'm sure that he'll screw everyone because its in his blood, like when he screwed ... and that time when he screwed ... Yeah that actually didn't happen, but screw everything, facts and logic when you posted the same post 5 times to diss people who actively participated in this kickstarter. Kudos to you and your arguments.
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Post by vinnie245 on Mar 9, 2013 18:26:15 GMT -5
I'm not actually bothered about the whole donations thing, people are never forced to donate at the end of the day. I just wish they'd stop with the cheesy music bullshit and just focus on the wrestlers improving their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 18:34:11 GMT -5
Ok, yeah, it's all real. No cameras were following Scott Hall prior to the phone call where they offered to help him. It wasn't staged for the cameras to be a part of the story they are telling. None of it was planned to properly set the table for enough sympathy to get people to give him money on Indiegogo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 18:38:20 GMT -5
Just dont give money. Problem solved. You seem way too involved into something you don't care for and don't think highly of. Cool.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 9, 2013 19:52:26 GMT -5
A couple strategically placed cameras and guided conversations doesn't negate the good this is doing for these two guys.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 9, 2013 21:20:07 GMT -5
I love the fact that people are calling it a scam or a hoax. Ok prove it to me. Did Jake get his shoulder surgery? yes. Yeah the WWE may cover surgeries of they happened in there ring. The problem is Hall been wrestling other places since 2002 when he last wrestled in a WWE ring. So he can't say he was hurt in a WWE ring. When he was wrestling in 2010 in a TNA ring.
People forget that wrestlers don't have insurance. I don't know what DDP's networth is or why he him couldn't pay the bill. Sure it's easy to say loss weight and do yoga you be fine. But if you joint is NOT working at all. That's hard to do. You try doing yoga and loss weight when you in so much pain.
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