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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Jan 26, 2013 15:11:16 GMT -5
{Spoiler}They're just ready, brother. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 26, 2013 15:16:59 GMT -5
If they are close to the edge.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 26, 2013 15:49:45 GMT -5
1. Over with fans 2. Safe in the ring 3. Good for PR purposes There are other factors but I imagine that's the big 3. I'd say this, along with work ethic. I think Vince still has a keen eye on who would really run with a push and who wouldn't. Look at Ryback for example. He's gotten REALLY over with fans, is (relatively) safe in the ring, and is marketable based on just "Feed me more". But he's really putting himself out there in interviews and is working hard to make people believe that he's a big deal. That's the kind of guy that I think Vince likes to push. Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan have done the same and they've had success because of it. |
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Post by Arrow on Jan 26, 2013 16:00:35 GMT -5
WWE cares most about money. Therefore, they push the guys who they believe will make them that money.
There are other factors, but that's the most important part of it, and everything else tends to fall in line. Trying to add anything is really just complicating the answer unnecessarily. Just understand that it always comes back to, "who can draw the most money?".
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 26, 2013 16:07:56 GMT -5
Vince's fickleness
It's the reason why guys like Mantaur were hired.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 26, 2013 21:32:21 GMT -5
Kofi Kingston lacks charisma, just seems really bland and boring. And his voice just isn't cut out for wrestling promos, IMO. He's decent in the ring, but that's about it. I disagree, because I remember being impressed with the promo he gave before he wrecked Orton's car. He could very easily be a main eventer today if he hadn't gotten depushed for being STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! Here's what I think has held him back: -Being given the Jamaican gimmick at the beginning. As difficult as it is to cut a good promo under normal circumstances, I'm sure it's even more difficult when you have to worry about maintaining a fake accent; -Not getting many opportunities to talk following his depush; -Most recently, being told to talk about how he's a "wildcat", which is lame. If WWE let guys ad-lib promos, rather than saying "Here's what you're going to talk about, and here's exactly how you're going to phrase it", I think we'd see a lot of people who we don't consider very good promo guys exhibit more charisma. I've seen Shelton Benjamin cut promos in both WWE and ROH. IMHO, he actually seems to believe what he's saying during his ROH promos, as opposed to seeming like he's mentally going over his lines as he delivers them like he did in WWE. And my guess is that's because ROH doesn't insist that he adhere word for word to a script, instead just saying "Talk about how much you hate the Briscoes," or something like that. So it could be that makes him feel more relaxed, he just says whatever naturally springs to mind while in character, and that translates into a better promo |
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Post by Paco on Jan 26, 2013 21:45:31 GMT -5
That tingly feeling in Vince's loins.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jan 26, 2013 21:52:47 GMT -5
- being able to work safely
- being able to work TV-style
- being able to get fans to respond to you
- being able to give a good promo
- negotiating all the backstage etiquette (shaking hands, etc.)
- the ability to move merchandise
- dedication to the business
- kissing ass
- politicking with the correct people in positions of power
- having a good image for PR purposes
- it's your turn on turn on the 'time to get a push' wheel
- someone gets injured and loses their spot
- Vince McMahon's capriciousness
- sheer dumb luck
Any or all of these, or in some combination most likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 8:05:23 GMT -5
To me personally, there's just something about Kofi's look that doesn't scream "main-eventer". It isn't that he isn't capable, he just doesn't have that Superstar look. (I like the guy, but see him as nothing higher than I-C title level.)
Maybe it's that he seems too thin, like he could break in half.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 27, 2013 8:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Jan 27, 2013 10:38:46 GMT -5
On the subject of pushes what was going on with the mega-bigging up of Doug Fournas & Phil Lafon in early 1997? They're not big guys, they're not crazy characters. They're two dudes in blue trunks who fair enough were very good in the ring but it seems like such a crazy duo for Vince to be mega pushing on the mic at the time.
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Post by The Robisher on Jan 27, 2013 13:52:23 GMT -5
I know we've said the Attitude Era was better many times, but what was really great about it if you were a performer was that you had a better chance of getting a push if you were a mid-carder. Look at D-Low Brown. He was a perfect example. The guy was a ham, had a good high-flyer moveset for a guy his size, and shook his head as if he had Tourettes. There wasn't really anything special about him, but he still made his mark and would still get a pop today from Attitude Era fans if he came back. He's even cut for the PG Era. But the sad thing is, today he likely wouldn't get pushed.
Here's the opposite, 3MB would probably be way more over in the Attitude Era if they were allowed to be crass. Because you know those guys are holding back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 14:41:41 GMT -5
I mean for example, who sits in the back and says, "Alberto Del Rio will be booked strongly and given the title" and what is it they see in him that they don't see in, for example, Kofi Kingston? Del Rio speaks Spanish which instantly makes any Spanish speakers want to cheer him. That is literally the only reason. |
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Post by klapaucius on Jan 27, 2013 14:44:43 GMT -5
I mean for example, who sits in the back and says, "Alberto Del Rio will be booked strongly and given the title" and what is it they see in him that they don't see in, for example, Kofi Kingston? Del Rio speaks Spanish which instantly makes any Spanish speakers want to cheer him. That is literally the only reason.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 15:09:06 GMT -5
Del Rio speaks Spanish which instantly makes any Spanish speakers want to cheer him. That is literally the only reason. It's not literally the only reason. He can wrestle a great match and he's a competent talker but I think the way they've played his face turn speaks for itself. And largely, the way that his heel character was designed too. "I am a rich Mexican man...Rey Mysterio is a peasant...DESTINY!" While playing on class issues is a good idea, it was very cut and dry and one-dimensional. It wasn't about who he was, but what he was. |
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 27, 2013 15:10:29 GMT -5
A whim.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 27, 2013 18:19:50 GMT -5
To me personally, there's just something about Kofi's look that doesn't scream "main-eventer". It isn't that he isn't capable, he just doesn't have that Superstar look. (I like the guy, but see him as nothing higher than I-C title level.) Maybe it's that he seems too thin, like he could break in half.No moreso than HBK when he was off the 'roids. Or Punk, for that matter. |
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