TGM
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Post by TGM on Jan 25, 2013 21:32:52 GMT -5
I mean for example, who sits in the back and says, "Alberto Del Rio will be booked strongly and given the title" and what is it they see in him that they don't see in, for example, Kofi Kingston?
What do they look for? What does Wade Barrett have that Kozlov didn't? Why push Jack Swagger and not Tyson Kidd? What is the X factor (no Tensai jokes) that those in charge look for? Why are some guys who have great looks, skills and personality destined for the undercard (Chris Masters, JTG, Tyler Reks) while similar guys are elevated to the main event?
These aren't specific cases, just generalizations.
It's something I've wondered recently.
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Jimmy
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 25, 2013 21:37:43 GMT -5
I think you could go crazy trying to figure it out.
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Post by YiHammer on Jan 25, 2013 21:39:08 GMT -5
Vince is insanely bi-polar, nobody has any way of knowing
He can sour in a person fast and then love then the next day
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 25, 2013 21:39:42 GMT -5
It depends on the individual. Sometimes they see potential in someone, other times it's because a higher person on the card specifically wants to work them, while yet other times, the crowd makes the call for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 21:44:11 GMT -5
A lot of it is a reflection of the commitment a wrestler shows to the job. Aptitude as well. I'm sure Vince and his people can learn a lot about their talent by having conversations with them.
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Post by molson5 on Jan 25, 2013 21:56:12 GMT -5
At the end of the day its just an opinion. And it's the opinion of the people in power that matter at the end. Everyone here has completely different opinions about who should be pushed at the top of card. It's not like we all think Tyson Kidd is a main eventer and CM Punk should be a jobber
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 25, 2013 21:57:59 GMT -5
Whoever can make money.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 25, 2013 22:14:35 GMT -5
Whoever kisses the most ass?
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Post by Unaffiliated on Jan 25, 2013 22:28:08 GMT -5
In the short run, they probably go with the best combination of look and ability, and perceived potential to get over with the fans.
In the long run, generally the fans decide.
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Post by hughmorris on Jan 26, 2013 0:56:17 GMT -5
Whoever works out with Trippple H or who catches the eye of Nipple H.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 26, 2013 1:12:11 GMT -5
To use an old cliche, they need to have "it". Vince McMahon has his own ideas of what a main event-level Superstar should look like. Someone who's built like Mason Ryan, Chris Masters, or Ryback is likely going to get a big push out of the gate based soley on their physique. But if they fail to get over or are perceived as someone who "can't work" during their first run, it can be all over and they likely won't get another chance even if they improve (see Chris Masters). Guys like CM Punk or Daniel Bryan come into the company handicapped right off the bat, due to their size and with most of the Vince's stooges backstage thinking they're indy guys who can't work. So they had to prove themselves to get a push. I mean for example, who sits in the back and says, "Alberto Del Rio will be booked strongly and given the title" and what is it they see in him that they don't see in, for example, Kofi Kingston? To go back to your first two examples... Del Rio has it in spades, the guy just looks like a star. Just from my own experience, when I watch wrestling with non-fans, he almost always gets some kind of a reaction. Unlike 90% of the roster. And his family connections and the fact that WWE is always looking for the next "Latino Superstar" probably didn't hurt. Kofi Kingston lacks charisma, just seems really bland and boring. And his voice just isn't cut out for wrestling promos, IMO. He's decent in the ring, but that's about it.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 26, 2013 1:15:58 GMT -5
I think once in a while they push someone just to make the boys in the back look and see they will get a chance every so often
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 26, 2013 1:17:13 GMT -5
They give good head.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 26, 2013 1:28:45 GMT -5
I don't think they even know. You'll have someone get shoved down everyone's throat until they get the desired reaction (Orton/heel main eventer Trips)... and at the same time, they almost dumped their current top guy after not letting him be nothing but "generic looking jobber guy."
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Post by mizerable on Jan 26, 2013 1:37:09 GMT -5
If Vince sees money in a guy, he'll spend every investment he can in making sure that he is right. Kevin Dunn is in the same vein, in fact that's probably why Vince has kept him around for so long, they think alike.
Guys like Edge, Orton, Miz and Del Rio are guys he was high on from day one. They were given many chances, and even if they came up short at one time or another...or multiple times, Vince would go back to the drawing board in order to point that proverbial finger at any naysayers and go "I told you so!". The only time I even recall Vince giving up would probably be Mr. Kennedy, and that's probably because Kennedy struck out about a dozen times over the course of his short WWE career.
It's not a bad thing to invest like this, but it can be shortsighted when there's many other people who get overlooked and aren't given as many chances, or none at all. But if WWE wants you to be a superstar, then by God, you'll be a superstar. If Vince sees a flaw (albeit no matter how minor), then you're going to have an uphill battle, and likely will never win him over.
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Post by dbostick on Jan 26, 2013 7:40:21 GMT -5
Looks, in ring ability (not really), the ability to talk and the ability to push merchandise... Getting over kinda helps but not always. Too many factors, really. You have to have an intangible that no one can deny (Punk, Lesnar, Austin, Rock, Orton, Hogan, etc.)
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 26, 2013 12:48:55 GMT -5
In the long run, generally the fans decide. They stopped doing that in 2005
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Jan 26, 2013 13:28:29 GMT -5
What would make them push a guy... This is the kind of discussion I like on this board.
Personally I think they have their calculations on what's worked in the past, and they try and fit people into that script, rather than write the script for that individual. This is why you see guys get over in the midcard, but lose momentum in the main event. They'll let them develop in the midcard, but then micromanage them to death once they believe they have something.
The "IT" factor is also very imortant. If you watched tough enough, or any behind the scenes shows, all the guys mention that. Remember, this is live performance in front of the crowd. It's not like movies, tv, or even broadway, where you rehearse exactly what you do over and over, or get endless takes until its perfect.
The IT factor is so weird though, as almost everyone knows it when you see it, but it's so hard to define.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 26, 2013 14:05:41 GMT -5
1. Over with fans 2. Safe in the ring 3. Good for PR purposes
There are other factors but I imagine that's the big 3.
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Jimmy
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 26, 2013 14:08:12 GMT -5
In the long run, generally the fans decide. They stopped doing that in 2005 I'd say 2001, actually, when Rob Van Dam was visibly more over as a top face than the old guard of Rock, Austin, Undertaker, etc, and they decided instead to put him in the midcard.
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