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Post by agent817 on Jan 26, 2013 22:47:19 GMT -5
When Sid was in ECW from January to I think May or early June of 1999, was his run solely based on his monster-like presence and just used for squashes and house cleaning (wrestling term here)?
I didn't get Hardcore TV because I live in California, so I am not sure if Sid was mostly used to chokeslam and powerbomb random wrestlers and then leave the ring. I remember he made his debut at Guilty As Charged 1999 when he chokeslammed and powerbombed John Kronus and then beat him in an impromptu match. I remember watching the countdown show to Living Dangerously that year and I remember he was beating the hell out of Steve Corino and someone else who I forget. He pretty much cleaned house at Living Dangerously that year when he kicked the Dudleys' asses. I think his last PPV appearance in ECW was at Hardcore Heaven. It seemed like there was supposed to be an angle with him, Sabu and Justin Credible that could have culminated at Heat Wave that same year but I think I only remember reading results from Hardcore TV but nothing came of it and Sid left soon after for WCW, when he appeared at the Great American Bash and attacked Kevin Nash.
I also remember reading how he was fired before Hardcore Heaven but then Heyman rehired him. He even signed with a promotion called World Legion Wrestling and he was probably only there for like a day before reappearing in ECW.
When was his last appearance in ECW before jumping to WCW? It almost reminded of how Bam Bam Bigelow appeared at N2R 1998 before debuting in WCW or when Vito appeared at N2R 1999 before appearing in WCW weeks later.
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 26, 2013 23:10:29 GMT -5
Yeah, he was basically 911 redux.
He last appeared in ECW on May 22nd, 1999, and re-re-redebuted in WCW at the Great American Bash on June 13, 1999.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 26, 2013 23:20:10 GMT -5
Yeah, he was basically 911 redux. I always felt this was huge mistake on Heyman's part. Yeah Sid's not the greatest worker in the world, and yeah he's probably not the first person you'd think of when you think ECW. But at this point Sid was a huge international name, a multi-time World Champion, had main evented two WrestleMania's and was getting huge pops from the ECW crowd. You should be building him up to challenge your World Champion, put over your main eventers, not booking him like you did an indy nobody with a one-note gimmick. A Taz vs. Sid match could've been huge for ECW at the time, but it never even looked like Heyman was remotely interested in going in that direction.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 26, 2013 23:29:08 GMT -5
Yeah, he was basically 911 redux. I always felt this was huge mistake on Heyman's part. Yeah Sid's not the greatest worker in the world, and yeah he's probably not the first person you'd think of when you think ECW. But at this point Sid was a huge international name, a multi-time World Champion, had main evented two WrestleMania's and was getting huge pops from the ECW crowd. You should be building him up to challenge your World Champion, put over your main eventers, not booking him like you did an indy nobody with a one-note gimmick. A Taz vs. Sid match could've been huge for ECW at the time, but it never even looked like Heyman was remotely interested in going in that direction. While I agree with you to a certain extent, I recently revisited Sid's ECW run and were those ever the most fun squashes in the world. In retrospect, it speaks volumes of Sid's charisma that he was able to get that sort of a regular reaction from the ECW faithful.
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Post by Digital Witness on Jan 27, 2013 4:00:31 GMT -5
I always felt this was huge mistake on Heyman's part. Yeah Sid's not the greatest worker in the world, and yeah he's probably not the first person you'd think of when you think ECW. But at this point Sid was a huge international name, a multi-time World Champion, had main evented two WrestleMania's and was getting huge pops from the ECW crowd. You should be building him up to challenge your World Champion, put over your main eventers, not booking him like you did an indy nobody with a one-note gimmick. A Taz vs. Sid match could've been huge for ECW at the time, but it never even looked like Heyman was remotely interested in going in that direction. While I agree with you to a certain extent, I recently revisited Sid's ECW run and were those ever the most fun squashes in the world. In retrospect, it speaks volumes of Sid's charisma that he was able to get that sort of a regular reaction from the ECW faithful. Sid was the master of the squash though. Regardless of where it was, watching Sid beat the piss out of some jobber for 5 minutes was always fun. Especially when he was stretchering them out afterwards.
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 27, 2013 4:04:35 GMT -5
How do we even know ECW could afford his booking fees long term or that he even wanted to commit to their fed? Oh, we don't..right.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 27, 2013 8:43:07 GMT -5
How do we even know ECW could afford his booking fees long term or that he even wanted to commit to their fed? Oh, we don't..right. Then why bring him in in the first place?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 27, 2013 11:04:31 GMT -5
How do we even know ECW could afford his booking fees long term or that he even wanted to commit to their fed? Oh, we don't..right. Then why bring him in in the first place? Because Sid
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 11:17:04 GMT -5
Then why bring him in in the first place? Because Sid Exactly, and if Sid isn't around in wrestling for longer than 3 months, people start to wonder "Where's Sid?" Fans really get antsy wondering where he'll turn up next, because despite his lack of actual ability & wrestling knowledge (guy probably thinks a wristlock is what you use to keep your car from being stolen), the guy draws attention. Watch that recent Raw he was on, squashing Heath Slater. People go nuts for Sid.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 27, 2013 11:43:38 GMT -5
according to Sid's shoot interview he and Heyman knew it was only gonna be short term as Sid was negotiating with WCW.
He also said that Bubba did something during a Sid/Dudley segment that Sid didn't know what was coming and it really pissed him off cause Paul E encouraged such behavior
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 27, 2013 13:39:35 GMT -5
How do we even know ECW could afford his booking fees long term or that he even wanted to commit to their fed? Oh, we don't..right. Then why bring him in in the first place? We're still talking about it today. You have the potential to bring in a guy with all the accolades already mentioned in this thread and you're going to say "no?" No.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 13:46:07 GMT -5
Sid! Sid! Sid!
Dude was more over than virtually everyone on the roster even though most everyone knew that he wasn't going to be around for long.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 27, 2013 14:02:59 GMT -5
What was so great about Sid's ECW run was watching people who called themselves diehard smarks wildly cheering for him when months early the thought of Sid being ECW would made them violently ill.
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 27, 2013 14:06:38 GMT -5
Exactly, and if Sid isn't around in wrestling for longer than 3 months, people start to wonder "Where's Sid?" Fans really get antsy wondering where he'll turn up next, because despite his lack of actual ability & wrestling knowledge (guy probably thinks a wristlock is what you use to keep your car from being stolen), the guy draws attention. Watch that recent Raw he was on, squashing Heath Slater. People go nuts for Sid. Wait, I thought that's just been an ongoing joke here. I did however miss one episode of Raw. Did he really return and I missed it?
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 27, 2013 14:11:21 GMT -5
Exactly, and if Sid isn't around in wrestling for longer than 3 months, people start to wonder "Where's Sid?" Fans really get antsy wondering where he'll turn up next, because despite his lack of actual ability & wrestling knowledge (guy probably thinks a wristlock is what you use to keep your car from being stolen), the guy draws attention. Watch that recent Raw he was on, squashing Heath Slater. People go nuts for Sid. Wait, I thought that's just been an ongoing joke here. I did however miss one episode of Raw. Did he really return and I missed it?
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 27, 2013 14:14:23 GMT -5
Wait, I thought that's just been an ongoing joke here. I did however miss one episode of Raw. Did he really return and I missed it? Yep, missed it. Thanks!!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 27, 2013 14:46:40 GMT -5
Then why bring him in in the first place? We're still talking about it today. You have the potential to bring in a guy with all the accolades already mentioned in this thread and you're going to say "no?" No. Yeah, it's great for Sid, but other then being a mildly interesting footnote in its history, what did ECW get out of it? He didn't boost any numbers, any ratings, any buyrates, any attendance figures. He didn't work any major matches or angles, didn't put anybody over. He just showed up, threw a few power bombs, got paid probably more then the entire mid-card combined, and left. And the company got nothing out of it. And the company knew they were gonna get nothing out of it before it even started. I know everybody likes to talk about Heyman's bad business skills but this is starting to sound like the plot to a "The Producers" sequel.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 27, 2013 14:56:30 GMT -5
Yeah, he was basically 911 redux. I always felt this was huge mistake on Heyman's part. Yeah Sid's not the greatest worker in the world, and yeah he's probably not the first person you'd think of when you think ECW. But at this point Sid was a huge international name, a multi-time World Champion, had main evented two WrestleMania's and was getting huge pops from the ECW crowd. You should be building him up to challenge your World Champion, put over your main eventers, not booking him like you did an indy nobody with a one-note gimmick. A Taz vs. Sid match could've been huge for ECW at the time, but it never even looked like Heyman was remotely interested in going in that direction. That actually would've been a fun match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 14:57:48 GMT -5
I always felt this was huge mistake on Heyman's part. Yeah Sid's not the greatest worker in the world, and yeah he's probably not the first person you'd think of when you think ECW. But at this point Sid was a huge international name, a multi-time World Champion, had main evented two WrestleMania's and was getting huge pops from the ECW crowd. You should be building him up to challenge your World Champion, put over your main eventers, not booking him like you did an indy nobody with a one-note gimmick. A Taz vs. Sid match could've been huge for ECW at the time, but it never even looked like Heyman was remotely interested in going in that direction. That actually would've been a fun match. That would have been a sight, Sid is like two feet taller than Taz.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 27, 2013 15:17:00 GMT -5
We're still talking about it today. You have the potential to bring in a guy with all the accolades already mentioned in this thread and you're going to say "no?" No. Yeah, it's great for Sid, but other then being a mildly interesting footnote in its history, what did ECW get out of it? He didn't boost any numbers, any ratings, any buyrates, any attendance figures. He didn't work any major matches or angles, didn't put anybody over. He just showed up, threw a few power bombs, got paid probably more then the entire mid-card combined, and left. And the company got nothing out of it. And the company knew they were gonna get nothing out of it before it even started. I know everybody likes to talk about Heyman's bad business skills but this is starting to sound like the plot to a "The Producers" sequel. What the company got was a pretty big gold star in the "most unpredictable and satisfying wrestling show on television" box. It increased the loyalty to those three letters by being wildly entertaining and really driving home the "anything could happen in ECW" atmosphere. I mean, if you're going to knock Sid's involvement, you might as well knock Pillman's, Rude's, and any other cool little cameo that wasn't a particular turning point but, as stated in this thread, has us talking some 14 years later. A then fairly recent former two-time WWF champion booked to accentuate his absolute strengths is someone you have to use, and we're all the better for it.
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