The match quality of rumored WM 29 card

[Threadkiller [Classic]]

First, let me just qualify that I'm not really that big a fan of the rumored WM 29 card, but for different reasons. It's not that I have no interest in seeing any of these matches again (except that, in some certain instances, I don't), it's that I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to sit through the build for these matches. HHH can cut a hell of a promo, and Heyman can do the same on Brock's behalf, and hey, for all we know, they could put him over Hunter again (stop laughing!). I mean, it was a foregone conclusion last year that they'd never put Rock over the company's top babyface, in addition to the fact that many were dreading Hunter going over Brock at Summerslam. Neither happened. While it's close to 80-90% that we're getting the finishes this time that we didn't get the first time, I still feel like those points have to be stated.

But back on topic...

Anyone else think, from a match quality standpoint, this actually stands to be an excellent show? Again, assuming that these matches are given enough time, and not cut short to fit in whatever bullshit segment celebrating the "Majesty/pageantry" of WM.

Cena vs. Rock
Punk vs. Taker
Brock vs. HHH
Jericho vs. Ryback (rumored)
Orton vs. Sheamus
Del Rio vs. Ziggler

And whatever other matches get signed. Hell, they could throw in Hell No defending in a TLC match against all the contenders they have right now, from Rhodes Scholars to The Shield to the PTP.

Either way, I feel like, even though the angles will suck out loud, the matches will probably be great, and the potential for the crowd to go totally rogue is enough to make me kind of excited for the show, independent of the fact that it's WM, and I was going to be excited anyway.

Granted, I probably won't be as excited as I would have been if any of these were feuds I actually wanted to see, but is anyone else not so upset that this is what we're getting? I'm guessing I'll sour in the coming weeks, once the tortuous build starts, but for now, I'm kind of okay with the card, as it is right now.

[Some Guy]

-Cena vs Rock
Meh, it wasn't that good the first time and Rock was even more blown up at the Rumble.

-Brock vs Triple H
It was alright, but wasn't much special. Can't say I'm excited at all for the rematch.

-Punk vs Taker
They have nooooooo chemistry at all, but I suppose if they gimmick it up enough it could work.

-Jericho vs Ryback
I doubt this, they won't stupidly make Jericho heel again.

-Orton vs Sheamus
Looking forward to it

-Del Rio vs Ziggler
Should be good as well

Other than the last two, I'm not seeing the match quality.

[Threadkiller [Classic]]

Jan 29, 2013 19:46:03 GMT -5 Some Guy said:

-Cena vs Rock
Meh, it wasn't that good the first time and Rock was even more blown up at the Rumble.

-Brock vs Triple H
It was alright, but wasn't much special. Can't say I'm excited at all for the rematch.

-Punk vs Taker
They have nooooooo chemistry at all, but I suppose if they gimmick it up enough it could work.

-Jericho vs Ryback
I doubt this, they won't stupidly make Jericho heel again.

-Orton vs Sheamus
Looking forward to it

-Del Rio vs Ziggler
Should be good as well

Other than the last two, I'm not seeing the match quality.

I actually think Punk has grown as a WWE style worker to a much more comfortable degree than when he last feuded with Taker in 2009. He's a very assured worker in the style, and as an in-ring storyteller, so I feel like the match has the potential to be absolutely outstanding. But I do agree that, judging by their past encounters, there's almost no reason at all to think this.

[Cronant]

I think there wouldn't be anything to worry about match wise, other than time issues.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

Cena vs Rock - Round 1 wasn't that good and judging by Rock's performance against Punk he can't go 5 minutes without getting exhausted. Bad match

Punk vs 'Taker - Their last feud and series of matches were horrendous. They have no chemistry together.

Jericho vs Ryback - Seems pointless. Jericho is over as a face, as is Ryback. Why turn one of them?

Orton vs Sheamus - Yawn, we've seen this before and although the matches are okay, the feuds are kinda dull

Del Rio vs Ziggler - A fresh feud and yeah, I'd be interested in it.

Brock vs HHH - Go away Trips... your time has gone.

[Threadkiller [Classic]]

Agreed, Cronant. It all depends on how they time this out. They gave the top three matches tons of time last year, to the detriment of an undercard that could have been quite outstanding (plus, I really don't think Taker/HHH or Jericho/Punk needed to be as long as they were).

That said, another point I wanted to make is that I also feel that much of the vehemence against this potential card is in how it strips away the sense of "Well...what now?" that carries us through the WM hangover. There's a sense of excitement that anything can happen now that Mania has passed.

But what happens this year?

Cena feuds with Show again? With a heel Orton? Squashes The Shield? Beats Brock (who's presumably just jobbed to Hunter) for a second year? Unless Cena's inevitable title win is accompanied by a heel turn, we know exactly what to expect.

And what of the rest of the card? Punk finally taking the time off to rehab his lingering injuries and remedy his burn-out, which he was going to do before the first pipe-bomb?

Taker/Hunter/Rock/Jericho disappearing again?

It's the implications surrounding the card, every bit as much as the card itself.

[StuntGranny®]

In my opinion, the only interesting match listed is Ziggler/Del Rio. That's the only one (as of now) that wouldn't be predictable as all hell.

[Parker Stiles]

everything but ryback/jericho seems logical.

[xCompackx]

Jan 29, 2013 20:03:55 GMT -5 Threadkiller [Classic] said:

Agreed, Cronant. It all depends on how they time this out. They gave the top three matches tons of time last year, to the detriment of an undercard that could have been quite outstanding (plus, I really don't think Taker/HHH or Jericho/Punk needed to be as long as they were).

That said, another point I wanted to make is that I also feel that much of the vehemence against this potential card is in how it strips away the sense of "Well...what now?" that carries us through the WM hangover. There's a sense of excitement that anything can happen now that Mania has passed.

But what happens this year?

Cena feuds with Show again? With a heel Orton? Squashes The Shield? Beats Brock (who's presumably just jobbed to Hunter) for a second year? Unless Cena's inevitable title win is accompanied by a heel turn, we know exactly what to expect.

And what of the rest of the card? Punk finally taking the time off to rehab his lingering injuries and remedy his burn-out, which he was going to do before the first pipe-bomb?

Taker/Hunter/Rock/Jericho disappearing again?

It's the implications surrounding the card, every bit as much as the card itself.

Agreed, but I'm not sure even a heel turn for Cena would really help with that. Unless Rock sticks around or wins at WM, I don't know who could feud with him.

[Abdullah]

Rock has been underwhelming in the ring since his return. That's one I'm really, really not looking forward to even if the toss Punk in and make it a triple threat.

[Andrew is Good]

The card is done to draw the most money, so match quality this year is definitely secondary, but still there.. I think Taker vs Punk could be incredible though. I'm wondering if they'll do a Money in the Bank this year to get more people on the card, though personally I would like to see a tag team gauntlet match to really show how they got a lot of tag teams this year. They have really stacked the division, and you can put a lot of big stars in there. So Team Hell No vs Team Rhodes Scholars vs The Usos vs Mysterio/Sin Cara vs Tensai/Brodus vs 3MB vs Khali/Hornswoggle vs Primo/Epico vs The Shield. I'm not sure where to put the Shield in all of this, but I think having them win the belts would be a huge positive. Rollins and Ambrose though, with how they protected Reigns in the TLC match, it's best to rely on them for now. Maybe Rey Mysterio and Sin Cara are the least team in with the Shield and they get good heat on the two of them. Also, I think the Prime Time Players are going to be breaking up soon.

My guess is they'll do a US Title match as well, as the US Title has really been propelled into the sky thanks to Antonio Cesaro. They could do a fourway match with both the IC and US Titles on the line, and have Cesaro take that. They could put Kofi Kingston and Christian maybe in there, but I'd mostly do it to put the IC Title on Cesaro.

It leaves a number of people off the card, but it's good to have some new stars be built. Personally, I would have preferred Sheamus vs Cesaro after their first Raw match, but they want to two big time stars. So it's best to make Cesaro a big time star this year. It also shows how some people are perceived. Kofi Kingston and Cody Rhodes for instance would both be used to get other people over, and it seems they maybe like that for the rest of their careers.

[Bo Rida]

From a detached point of view they should all be good matches, however given how predictable most of them are it will be hard to get emotionally invested which will stop them being all-time classics.

That said The Undertaker has managed to make me suspend my disbelief and think his streak really is in danger so who knows.
Things like Ziggler still having MitB as back-up or HHH putting his career on the line could also make them more interesting.

[kidglov3s]

Jan 30, 2013 6:06:10 GMT -5 Andrew is Good said:

Team Hell No vs Team Rhodes Scholars vs The Usos vs Mysterio/Sin Cara vs Tensai/Brodus vs 3MB vs Khali/Hornswoggle vs Primo/Epico vs The Shield.

Man wouldn't this match be insane if they like had it so one member of every team was in the ring at the same time, and all the other members were on the apron, with elimination rules?