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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 30, 2013 6:47:34 GMT -5
I prefer Superman. I like heroes to be wholesome and clean cut. I find Batman a little tiresome and angsty. He does have good villains though, even though I think Lex Luthor is better than all of them. The only time I really liked Batman was when Michael Keaton played him.
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Post by Mike Wooster on Jan 30, 2013 7:20:08 GMT -5
Batman is more popular because he fits the anti-hero niche better than Superman does. Also, you can do more with the character in terms of stories since he is slightly more grounded in the real world.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 30, 2013 9:22:04 GMT -5
people get the wrong idea about Superman. there's more to him than simply being a flying boyscout. part of what makes him great is he doesn't need a reason to do the right thing. he just does. basically, when best written, Superman represents a kind of wish-fulfillment for the reader. he's not what we are, he's what we wish we could be.
and Batman is just as capable of being written terribly as Superman is. in the wrong hands he often either becomes the super-best-undefeatable badass who wins every fight because he's prepared for everything, even fights he has no business even being in much less winning, (Frank Miller, Doug Moench) else he's written as such a broody jerk that you can't help but cheer when Hal Jordan decks him in the face (Frank Miller again, Geoff Johns).
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 30, 2013 9:24:18 GMT -5
He has much more layered villains. Not to say Superman's rogue gallery is lame, but nothing can really touch Batman's. take out Lex and Darkseid and Supes' rogue gallery is pretty f***ing lame, posibly only Metallo that doesnt suck Brainiac, Toy Man (in the right hands), Bizarro are also great villains in the right hands. it's not that Superman has a BAD rogues gallery per se, it's just that his is really small compared to Batman or The Flash.
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Post by Banecat on Jan 30, 2013 9:27:35 GMT -5
Superman's only flaw is that he is a dick (http://www.cracked.com/article_20069_5-classic-superman-comics-that-prove-he-used-to-be-dick.html). On the other hand, Batman is rich and everyone wants to be rich.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 30, 2013 9:45:58 GMT -5
He's the goddamn Batman!
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Post by darthalexander on Jan 30, 2013 10:18:55 GMT -5
I found Spider-man to be more relatable than either Superman or Batman.
Sometimes I get the impression that Superman gets as much heat as he does because he's percieved to be a real goody two-shoes.
I might be wrong but I think The Dark Night Returns really changed things a lot with how people seem to feel about Superman. Before that book came out people seemed to be ok with both (even though there have always been fans that prefered one over the other), but then after the book came out it seemed like more and more people were pro-Batman and Superman seemed to become a joke.
Batman also seems to fit the cynical world better than Superman does. The 90s seemed to turn the world cynical and in comic shops that I went to, more and more people just bought into the whole grim idea. I remember people laughing at Superman.
I still think that if a real-life Superman would appear, it would change the world for the better. Much more than a Batman appearing. (Not to knock Batman because I like both, I just feel that Superman would be more inspiring than Batman could ever be).
Batman does have the best villians though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 10:22:45 GMT -5
Of DC's heroes, Batman is basically the most human. He has no superpowers to rely on, but only his tactfulness, combat skills, and his arsenal of weaponry. Because of the fact that he's human and isn't without fault, he is a very interesting character to explore in different fascets.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 30, 2013 10:35:46 GMT -5
I like Batman because there is so much psychologically to study about him, he also is human his rogues gallery is for the most part human and doesn't really overlap with the Justice League's. Superman just seems to me the perfect man who has no faults and I find that hard to believe and with a five exceptions his rogues gallery isn't that impressive. The villains are really what makes the hero
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 30, 2013 10:37:24 GMT -5
Batman is easier for bad writers to do well, so you get more memorable stories. Superman is really hard to do well because he doesn't really have a lot of limits, Batman is a person, so he can still be broken if you need a plot hook. Also, as was said, he has a lot more interesting villains as a whole.
I don't think he's more vulnerable. He should be, but DC doesn't let him be that vulnerable. They have practically made him Superman-level invulnerable, just because they don't really let him actually lose when he really should (to the point where he beats the whole Justice League, when he should be their secretary).
As far as relatability goes, he's a billionaire ninja supergenius who lives in a mansion and has gadgets that are beyond the realm of normal science. I don't really consider him that relatable. There are other actual super-heroes that are a lot more relatable, although to be fair, a lot of examples are Marvel.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 30, 2013 10:53:17 GMT -5
I like Batman because there is so much psychologically to study about him, he also is human his rogues gallery is for the most part human and doesn't really overlap with the Justice League's. Superman just seems to me the perfect man who has no faults and I find that hard to believe and with a five exceptions his rogues gallery isn't that impressive. The villains are really what makes the hero The appeal of Superman, at least when he's being handled by someone competent, is that he's an ok person (not a high and mighty one, just a generally good guy) with a slew of powers that allow him to do great things beyond anyone's imagination. He could probably take over the world if he wanted, but his simple decency prevents that. As for him being "perfect", smart Super-writers will allow him to have a temper or the odd snarky remark, at least without turning him into a hypocrite.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 30, 2013 10:53:30 GMT -5
Speaking as a non-comics reader, but somebody who still enjoys a bit of the mythos, I think Batman's popularity largely boils down to him being "The World's Greatest Detective". As said before, detective stories and mysteries have staying power, it attracts more people of varying tastes.
As for Superman, the vibe I've always gotten that could turn people off to him is how they really go out of their way sometimes to show he can do anything. I have no issues whatsoever with Superman basically being "the man" and representing the final word on justice in the DC Universe (as in, once you've pissed off Superman, that's it, game over, "world of cardboard" speech).
But given how expansive his powers have been depicted over the years, it can feel dizzying. One movie has it seem like him lifting an island is a major feat, while some comics show him pulling entire planets through space. It's almost like they need to decide exactly what Superman is: a being so far beyond comprehension that he can't be bound to stories based on Earth too often, or a near invincible hero with just enough weaknesses to make him beatable on Earth. Which is it?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 30, 2013 10:57:20 GMT -5
Speaking as a non-comics reader, but somebody who still enjoys a bit of the mythos, I think Batman's popularity largely boils down to him being "The World's Greatest Detective". As said before, detective stories and mysteries have staying power, it attracts more people of varying tastes. As for Superman, the vibe I've always gotten that could turn people off to him is how they really go out of their way sometimes to show he can do anything. I have no issues whatsoever with Superman basically being "the man" and representing the final word on justice in the DC Universe (as in, once you've pissed off Superman, that's it, game over, "world of cardboard" speech). But given how expansive his powers have been depicted over the years, it can feel dizzying. One movie has it seem like him lifting an island is a major feat, while some comics show him pulling entire planets through space. It's almost like they need to decide exactly what Superman is: a being so far beyond comprehension that he can't be bound to stories based on Earth too often, or a near invincible hero with just enough weaknesses to make him beatable on Earth. Which is it? The 90's Superman cartoon had the best take on his power level. Kryptonite wasn't the only thing that could kill him, but it was the quickest and the most potent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 10:59:37 GMT -5
Both are pretty lame names when you think about it.
As to why Batman's more popular than Superman, here's the definitive answer.
Batman's a much easier character to make a film of - Superman was really hard to film and make look cool.
Batman doesn't fly or have superpowers so its much easier to make a film about him look cool which is why he's more popular.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 30, 2013 11:33:50 GMT -5
I prefer Batman WAY more than Superman. I generally find the "invincible" concept to be really boring when it comes to superheroes just because there's nothing to really root for. Yeah, there's Kryptonite that Lex Luthor seems to have an abundance of, but even that doesn't really keep me interested. With Batman, there's just as big a moral conflict as there is a physical conflict in his stories and that keeps me hooked.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 30, 2013 11:39:14 GMT -5
Every generation gets the hero they deserve. Batman is just more adaptable to whatever the current zeitgeist is.
Also Batman has better videogames.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 11:49:04 GMT -5
Well, I always felt Superman was kind of a Marty Stu. He has almost unlimited powers and as a result, his enemies must frequently pull kryptonite out of their ass. But in general, it's a foregone conclusion that he will win.
Batman, on the other hand, we know he's already worked for years before becoming a superhero, and then you still see him work and struggle to defeat his enemies by gathering info on them, figuring out their weak points and even using psychology to beat them. And of course, he's only human and as a result must sneak around and avoid putting himself in danger unless he has to.
Basically, as badass as he is, Batman remains the underdog compared to his enemies whereas Superman always seems stronger than his foes, and so it's less impressive when Superman wins than when Batman does.
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Post by Joker on Jan 30, 2013 12:13:48 GMT -5
Batman is more vulnerable, just a man with wealth and gadgets. Issues of street crime, drugs, brooding about the state of his city, corruption easier to relate to. Better Supporting Cast of allies and friends, Robins, Nightwings, Batgirls, Gordon + others Better Gallery of villains all with various psychosis or real world methodologies.
Superman has few weaknesses, is an Alien and Clark Kent isn't that relatable in the real world (Bumbling fool that is successful) Deals with world crisis, moral dilema of should he help mankind not really relatable. Supporting cast not that realistic or interesting. Villains are either not a threat, silly or too much of a threat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 12:17:50 GMT -5
I mean...about the invincibility thing.
Really - Batman's invincible. Sure he gets hurt, but the truth is, nothing's ever really gonna happen to him.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 30, 2013 12:21:49 GMT -5
I'm sure Superman's depiction in The Dark Knight Returns didn't help matters for Supes. His depiction in both the graphic novel takes his image as a super powered boy scout to the nth degree. Batman comes off as a bad ass rebel whereas Superman comes off as the a-hole preppy jock you see in every 80's teen movies. This is probably best seen in the second half of The Dark Knight Returns film adaption whenever Bruce Wayne calls Superman "Clark" in a very condescending tone of voice. As if to say "Clark, you clueless, manipulated by the government, Smalltown rube!"
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