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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 30, 2013 16:41:08 GMT -5
the shooter is screwed. the guy was blatantly leaving in his van and wasn't a threat anymore. self defense only goes so far.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 16:46:14 GMT -5
The GPS system is not the main part of the story, but it is a major part. It played a role in leading the victim to the shooting scene and definitely needs to be mentioned. It all goes back to the question "Why was he there in the first place?" Whether it was because the GPS malfuntioned or they put in the wrong address is just one more part of the story. The GPS thing really isn't that important. If he shot at someone for being in front of his house, Sailors was going to snap and kill someone eventually. It's not the GPS that pulled a gun and shot the guy in the head. Also, as others have mentioned, common sense should be applied when using a GPS and give the priority to simply looking around. The GPS did not single-handedly send him there, it's not autopilot. And had it not been a guy who went there by mistake, it would have been a guy who went there on purpose. The GPS malfunctioning (or being incorrectly used) is not what caused Sailors to be a lunatic, is what I'm saying. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 30, 2013 16:50:19 GMT -5
It's relevant in the extent that it was why he was on the property, and it could be a wake up call for someone that GPS's are only estimates and not perfect. It should be mentioned, but I dont' think they make it the main focus of the story
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 16:58:31 GMT -5
it could be a wake up call for someone that GPS's are only estimates and not perfect. They already know that. They even put a message on the GPS to warn users about it. |
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Post by Error on Jan 30, 2013 17:03:16 GMT -5
it could be a wake up call for someone that GPS's are only estimates and not perfect. They already know that. They even put a message on the GPS to warn users about it. No they don't. They know they paid several hundred dollars for a machine to tell them where to go and expect it to be perfect. Warnings are just words that doesn't matter because computers aren't wrong. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 30, 2013 17:05:28 GMT -5
it could be a wake up call for someone that GPS's are only estimates and not perfect. They already know that. They even put a message on the GPS to warn users about it. GPS manufacturers do, a lot of drivers still don't. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 17:07:43 GMT -5
They already know that. They even put a message on the GPS to warn users about it. No they don't. They know they paid several hundred dollars for a machine to tell them where to go and expect it to be perfect. Warnings are just words that doesn't matter because computers aren't wrong. Well unless the manufacturers are expected to perform brain surgery on their clients to make them think differently, I don't see how that's their fault that people ignore their warnings. |
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Post by Error on Jan 30, 2013 17:13:03 GMT -5
No they don't. They know they paid several hundred dollars for a machine to tell them where to go and expect it to be perfect. Warnings are just words that doesn't matter because computers aren't wrong. Well unless the manufacturers are expected to perform brain surgery on their clients to make them think differently, I don't see how that's their fault that people ignore their warnings. It's not and I don't think anyone is blaming the manufacture, yet, I'd expect it if the data is wrong but I don't agree with it. I and others are just saying that in addition to explaining why he was there that maybe this can serve as a wake up call to the people who don't pay attention to those warnings. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 17:19:08 GMT -5
Well unless the manufacturers are expected to perform brain surgery on their clients to make them think differently, I don't see how that's their fault that people ignore their warnings. It's not and I don't think anyone is blaming the manufacture, yet, I'd expect it if the data is wrong but I don't agree with it. I and others are just saying that in addition to explaining why he was there that maybe this can serve as a wake up call to the people who don't pay attention to those warnings. Oh, yeah, definitely. Sorry, I misunderstood you, there. But I still don't think the GPS is such an important piece of the story that it really needs to be mentioned in the title. The same thing would have happened had they written the wrong address on a piece of paper. It's really more a case of the victim being at the wrong place at the wrong time. |
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 30, 2013 19:30:00 GMT -5
Well... yeah, the victim was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But because of the GPS, he pulled up in a stranger's driveway at night as though he intended to be there with a car full of young people. If he hadn't quite known where he was, he probably would've acted like most people... pulled up on the street, checked the number on the mailbox, kept going if it was the wrong one, etc.
So I think the malfunction of, and our reliance on, GPS technology is kind of an important point here. He didn't accidentally wander into a situation where a crazy man was spraying bullets all over the place. His confidence in the GPS caused him to unintentionally trespass on someone's property after dark and act like he was supposed to be there, which led the man inside the house to feel like this car full of young people intended to enter his home and do something to him. I think that misperception is a result of a number of things (bias against young people, racial tensions, language barrier), but one of those things is the situation-discordant actions that resulted from belief in the GPS.
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Post by SenorCrest on Jan 30, 2013 22:28:56 GMT -5
He fired up into the sky that should have been enough. I know if I went to the wrong house and some one shot up in the air I would leave real fast. If the guy stayed or shot at him then I think it was okay for him to start shooting at the guy in his house.
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 30, 2013 22:37:16 GMT -5
The young guy WAS leaving, though... he was driving away when he was shot in the head. The homeowner is definitely gonna get nailed to the wall, and with good reason. (And he never went into the house... they were always in the driveway. I don't even know if he got out of the car.) It's still trespassing, but the old man should've let it go when they were leaving and called the cops if he was worried about them coming back.
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Post by zeez on Jan 30, 2013 23:19:50 GMT -5
Did they even get out of their car?
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Post by Stu on Jan 31, 2013 1:53:13 GMT -5
The GPS system is not the main part of the story, but it is a major part. It played a role in leading the victim to the shooting scene and definitely needs to be mentioned. It all goes back to the question "Why was he there in the first place?" Whether it was because the GPS malfuntioned or they put in the wrong address is just one more part of the story. The GPS thing really isn't that important. If he shot at someone for being in front of his house, Sailors was going to snap and kill someone eventually. It's not the GPS that pulled a gun and shot the guy in the head. Also, as others have mentioned, common sense should be applied when using a GPS and give the priority to simply looking around. The GPS did not single-handedly send him there, it's not autopilot. And had it not been a guy who went there by mistake, it would have been a guy who went there on purpose. The GPS malfunctioning (or being incorrectly used) is not what caused Sailors to be a lunatic, is what I'm saying. It's important in explaining why the victim was there in the first place. I don't think the story needs to revolve around that piece of information, but it definitely needs to be included. It should probably be in the fourth or fifth paragraph. This is actually a poorly written article. And considering this is CNET, it's not surprising there's so much emphasis on the GPS. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 31, 2013 5:14:43 GMT -5
The young guy WAS leaving, though... he was driving away when he was shot in the head. The homeowner is definitely gonna get nailed to the wall, and with good reason. (And he never went into the house... they were always in the driveway. I don't even know if he got out of the car.) It's still trespassing, but the old man should've let it go when they were leaving and called the cops if he was worried about them coming back. From what I understand, they weren't even on his property, so that's not even trespassing. |
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 31, 2013 8:06:40 GMT -5
Your driveway isn't your property? I don't think that's true... the sidewalk in front of your house isn't your property, but I'm like, 99% sure your driveway is.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 31, 2013 10:07:09 GMT -5
Your driveway isn't your property? I don't think that's true... the sidewalk in front of your house isn't your property, but I'm like, 99% sure your driveway is. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the driveway is part of your property unless you park in front of your house or something. As for the story, I dunno... I'm not excusing what the guy did, but I really have to question the fact that the victim seemingly didn't know what his friend's house looked like or how to get there. I would kinda think that if a house didn't look familiar, you'd drive on by. But self defense? I don't think so. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 31, 2013 12:16:21 GMT -5
Your driveway isn't your property? I don't think that's true... the sidewalk in front of your house isn't your property, but I'm like, 99% sure your driveway is. Ah, my bad, I thought they had stopped in front of it rather than in it for some reason. Still not a "shoot you in the face when you haven't shown any sign of aggression and are fleeing" offense, though. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 31, 2013 17:07:41 GMT -5
Your driveway isn't your property? I don't think that's true... the sidewalk in front of your house isn't your property, but I'm like, 99% sure your driveway is. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the driveway is part of your property unless you park in front of your house or something. As for the story, I dunno... I'm not excusing what the guy did, but I really have to question the fact that the victim seemingly didn't know what his friend's house looked like or how to get there. I would kinda think that if a house didn't look familiar, you'd drive on by. But self defense? I don't think so. He might never have gone there before, that's why he needed the GPS. I've wwalked past a friend's house like, 5 times without knowing the first time I was looking for it. |
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