King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 30, 2013 12:34:49 GMT -5
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kidglov3s
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 30, 2013 12:44:27 GMT -5
Oh for f***s sake. Defense of his home? Seriously?
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 30, 2013 12:47:16 GMT -5
I actually work on the behind the scenes software (and in the law portion) of GPS, so I'm going to shed a little light on their flaws.
Addresses are almost always assigned by "assumed position". Standard being 1 every 100 feet (some states/cities getting down to 50 feet), even on one side of the road, odd on the other.
There is no "magic point" that shows where the address is, it's always assumed off the road data unless that point was previously collected (99% of all driveways are falling under the assumed data).
So your GPS unit takes this line data, and overlays it's location on this line data. Where a lot of this breaks down is that Addresses are still assigned by humans most of the time, and the real world NEVER breaks down into simple 100 foot chunks.
Basically never assume your GPS is 100%, especially with addresses. Always and I mean ALWAYS default to Reality. Look at the house numbers. A GPS will easily get you within a couple hundred feet of the intended address... the devil and un-talked about nature of GPS is a human still needs to look out of the god damned window and use their brain to find the final location.
back on topic... Home defense? Yeah, that won't fly. You don't defend by aiming for the head as somebody is driving away when they didn't even do anything.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 12:49:22 GMT -5
Oh for f***s sake. Defense of his home? Seriously? Yeah, I can understand self-defense, but my first reaction to an unknown person entering my house wouldn't be "OH MY GOD HE'S GOING TO KILL US ALL GET THE RIFLE!", especially if he wasn't armed or aggressive, and was eventually fleeing.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 30, 2013 13:04:37 GMT -5
Oh for f***s sake. Defense of his home? Seriously? Yeah, I can understand self-defense, but my first reaction to an unknown person entering my house wouldn't be "OH MY GOD HE'S GOING TO KILL US ALL GET THE RIFLE!", especially if he wasn't armed or aggressive, and was eventually fleeing. They didn't even enter his house, just drove up. The guy looked outside, ran in, got his gun, and fired. Yeah, claiming home defense is ridiculous in this case.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 13:12:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I can understand self-defense, but my first reaction to an unknown person entering my house wouldn't be "OH MY GOD HE'S GOING TO KILL US ALL GET THE RIFLE!", especially if he wasn't armed or aggressive, and was eventually fleeing. They didn't even enter his house, just drove up. The guy looked outside, ran in, got his gun, and fired. Yeah, claiming home defense is ridiculous in this case. Oh yeah, I misread the article. Yeah there's no way that'll ever be accepted into court. And while I may be jumping to conclusions, considering Sailor's Caucasian and the victim has a Latino-sounding name... yeah, I'm suspecting this was no accident and Sailor may not be as "distraught over the loss of life" as his lawyer claims.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Jan 30, 2013 13:14:17 GMT -5
He was defending his home with a .22?
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 30, 2013 13:20:31 GMT -5
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Burst
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Post by Burst on Jan 30, 2013 13:21:08 GMT -5
This sounds exactly like that case with the Japanese exchange student from the 90's.
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Feyrhausen
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 30, 2013 13:27:04 GMT -5
This sounds exactly like that case with the Japanese exchange student from the 90's. He was a friend of mine.
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 30, 2013 14:17:46 GMT -5
I honestly can't believe the way the story questioned whether the gps was malfunctioning. That's completely irrelevant to what happened. This is all about one dips*** trying to hide behind his right to "defend" his property. Loons like this guy are what gives guns/gun owners bad names.
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Post by Hurbster on Jan 30, 2013 14:31:57 GMT -5
So much I'm not allowed to say by forum rules...
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Post by Error on Jan 30, 2013 14:37:40 GMT -5
I honestly can't believe the way the story questioned whether the gps was malfunctioning. That's completely irrelevant to what happened. This is all about one dips*** trying to hide behind his right to "defend" his property. Loons like this guy are what gives guns/gun owners bad names. If the GPS screwed up, it led him to his death. It's an important part of the story. Too many people think GPS systems are perfect and don't bother double checking stuff and end up in trouble but laugh it off because rarely do people die because of it. Look at the idiot that drive 9 days across 7 countries instead of a 90 minute drive from her house because her GPS was flawed, the number of people who drove into the middle of the Aussie outback because Apple had their maps and GPS data wrong, the number of people who drive into lakes or rivers because of them or go the wrong way on a one way street because the GPS said so. Yes the loon with gun deserves as much blame as possible for the man's death but if the GPS data was wrong, he would not have been their if not for it or his inability to double check addresses.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 30, 2013 14:53:49 GMT -5
I honestly can't believe the way the story questioned whether the gps was malfunctioning. That's completely irrelevant to what happened. This is all about one dips*** trying to hide behind his right to "defend" his property. Loons like this guy are what gives guns/gun owners bad names. If the GPS screwed up, it led him to his death. It's an important part of the story. Too many people think GPS systems are perfect and don't bother double checking stuff and end up in trouble but laugh it off because rarely do people die because of it. Look at the idiot that drive 9 days across 7 countries instead of a 90 minute drive from her house because her GPS was flawed, the number of people who drove into the middle of the Aussie outback because Apple had their maps and GPS data wrong, the number of people who drive into lakes or rivers because of them or go the wrong way on a one way street because the GPS said so. Yes the loon with gun deserves as much blame as possible for the man's death but if the GPS data was wrong, he would not have been their if not for it or his inability to double check addresses. By this logic the car that he drove put him in this situation too. All those stories you said about a faulty gps involved a whole lot of stupidity. A GPS is just a tool to assist you, it isn't infallible and the directions shouldn't be followed like a direct order. The major story is one man unjustly caused another man's death. It doesn't matter if he used a gun, a knife, or gagged him with a used tampon. The story should focus on the idiot hiding behind self defense.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 30, 2013 15:11:20 GMT -5
Hell when I turn my GPS on it says all directions are estimated and then a warning that basically says use common sense. (i.e. don't drive into the lake just because this device told you too.)
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Post by Error on Jan 30, 2013 15:33:07 GMT -5
If the GPS screwed up, it led him to his death. It's an important part of the story. Too many people think GPS systems are perfect and don't bother double checking stuff and end up in trouble but laugh it off because rarely do people die because of it. Look at the idiot that drive 9 days across 7 countries instead of a 90 minute drive from her house because her GPS was flawed, the number of people who drove into the middle of the Aussie outback because Apple had their maps and GPS data wrong, the number of people who drive into lakes or rivers because of them or go the wrong way on a one way street because the GPS said so. Yes the loon with gun deserves as much blame as possible for the man's death but if the GPS data was wrong, he would not have been their if not for it or his inability to double check addresses. By this logic the car that he drove put him in this situation too. All those stories you said about a faulty gps involved a whole lot of stupidity. A GPS is just a tool to assist you, it isn't infallible and the directions shouldn't be followed like a direct order. No, the car didn't drive him there on its own. He piloted it based on the directions of his GPS. Too many people blindly follow these things and end up in trouble and it might have helped cost this man his life. They think these things are infallible and don't use common sense to prevent themselves from ending up in a bad situation because of it. I'm not denying that but if the GPS system in any way helped lead to this, people need to hear about it so they hopefully change and don't make the same mistake of blindly trusting their GPS in other situations. It's not just GPS either, all tech has these issues because people can be stupid and lead them to be in places or do things they'd never do if the tech didn't tell them. It wasn't Craigslist's fault that people went into situations they'd never normally be in and got killed/robbed/raped but people still needed to hear it and have common sense stuff beat into their heads. But all of this comes from a tech site which would have a vested interest in wondering about the GPS stuff as well.
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 30, 2013 15:43:28 GMT -5
It is unknown whether or not the GPS malfunctioned or if the person using it entered in the wrong iinformation. Again the gps in question is ultimately irrelevant to the story. It isn't like the gps was hacked or possesed and led them to a serial killers house out of malice... Wait that would be a dope screenplay, time to start writing!
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jan 30, 2013 15:51:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 15:57:28 GMT -5
To be fair, if the GPS was faulty, it *did* play some part in this.
We're pretty much all agreeing that one must use a GPS as a tool to assist. It's up to the human to check house numbers, etc. So, the GPS takes this group to the killer's home..but they can't use their human parts to check anything because this doofus is shooting at them.
The GPS being off doesn't really do much for the case, since it's pretty clear-cut. Don't shoot people just because they step foot onto your property..especially when they are still in the car and clearly retreating.
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Post by Stu on Jan 30, 2013 16:25:15 GMT -5
The GPS system is not the main part of the story, but it is a major part. It played a role in leading the victim to the shooting scene and definitely needs to be mentioned.
It all goes back to the question "Why was he there in the first place?" Whether it was because the GPS malfuntioned or they put in the wrong address is just one more part of the story.
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