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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 18, 2013 18:06:33 GMT -5
I agree, Brad, things like that have made me shake my head at him. It's weird too, because he's usually all about the med kits and the like in games like these. I think it's partially him getting nervous though, either about the present threat or the threat he thinks is ahead of him. As I'm not sure if anybody else has noticed this, but literally every time he comes across a fairly sized area he starts getting all nervous, thinking it's an arena. I mean, sometimes it is, but there were other times where it was nothing.
And, I agree, Yami, though I think I know part of the problem with that. I remember Pat getting shit on alot for his scavenging in their other playthroughs. I recall there even being some complaining, not here obviously, of it early on in this playthrough. So, I think it's a case of Pat getting self conscious about it like he seems to sometimes do about things if people have bitched about them in the past.
See, with NMH2, I think Liam could've been a valuable asset to the playthrough, his strategies were solid...but Woolie kept ignoring them. I felt Liam's pain in that regard, because a lot of the things he was suggesting were the ways I did it to beat the game too. After a while though Woolie kind of blew up on him for it and I think Liam just got tired of being ignored. I mean, look at the final boss fight, Liam starts to say something and then Woolie cuts him off angrily going "Liam, we talked about this" and Liam shuts up & let's Woolie continue to die.
I think it's a matter of Liam seeming like a fairly passive and/or laid back person, who didn't want to rock the boat too hard once Woolie seemed to be legitimately getting upset with him for trying to help him.
Other than that, yeah, I agree. It had potential, but by the end it fell apart hard. I think part of the problem was Woolie was the one playing. If he had been in there and just been himself, able to yuck it up with Matt while Matt or Liam played, I think it would've gone better. As is, you had Liam trying to keep quiet to not upset Woolie, Woolie practically raging, and Matt trying to act as a happy distraction for both them & us, and him trying to carry the commentary load all himself.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 18, 2013 18:21:36 GMT -5
To be fair to Woolie, at some points, like the sniper fight, Liam was deliberately trolling him, so I could see Woolie trying to tune him out in that regard. Plus, Woolie seems to flounder when he gets frustrated.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 18, 2013 18:31:29 GMT -5
The problem I have with Liam is, I feel like practically everything about him is exceptionally dull and uninteresting. Nothing he says has ever caught my attention, despite his efforts for trying to help the others on how to play the game, which I can appreciate. But that's simply isn't enough for me. For me, TBFP, or any LPer really, is less about their skill in whatever they're playing, and more about how funny/interesting their commentary is, or their reaction to an event in the game. Liam does absolutely nothing for me in that regard. If my taste was different, and all I really cared about was how that person played, and didn't care about what they talked about, I would be demanding Liam make his own gaming channel.
Say whatever you want about Woolie, but he at least knows how to yuck it up with Matt and Pat. He knows how to "hype the product", so-to-speak. He may not be my favorite of the crew, but I like to listen to what he has to say, which is more than I can say about Liam. He may have an ego, but I think he just knows how to heel it up.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 18, 2013 22:31:24 GMT -5
Pat's laughs of glee over the silly grappling near the beginning of the match warms my black heart.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 18, 2013 23:14:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I was losing it over that entire match and the ladder match. If nothing else, the Rustlemanias have been a pretty continuous solid entry from them. This one was an exception return to form for them too.
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Post by tenshi on Aug 19, 2013 2:06:52 GMT -5
Man... Kurt is tough as hell for breakdancing on top of a ladder in the middle of a match.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2013 2:21:53 GMT -5
The Kurt/ladder glitch is one of the funniest glitches they have ever triggered.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 19, 2013 9:18:24 GMT -5
The Kurt/ladder glitch is one of the funniest glitches they have ever triggered. Seriously. That moment felt like I was watching a nL video, but with TBFP, an epic combination. And as usual, Pat's laughter was the cherry on top.
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 19, 2013 9:42:12 GMT -5
Man... Kurt is tough as hell for breakdancing on top of a ladder in the middle of a match. With a broken freaking neck. Also with Liam, he was quite hard to hear in the NMH play-through, maybe if his volume was upped so we could of heard him through Woolie talking over him all the time. Maybe Woolie is still a bit embarrassed over that Metroid play-through.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 19, 2013 10:20:09 GMT -5
Man... Kurt is tough as hell for breakdancing on top of a ladder in the middle of a match. With a broken freaking neck. Also with Liam, he was quite hard to hear in the NMH play-through, maybe if his volume was upped so we could of heard him through Woolie talking over him all the time. Maybe Woolie is still a bit embarrassed over that Metroid play-through. I think that was part of it. It definitely didn't help that the first time he angrily gave Liam the controller in this LP that Liam dominated what Woolie thought was impossible & said that he'd fail at too, making him have egg on his face. The one or two times after that he did Liam still did fairly good too, better than him, so I think Woolie's ego was bruised over the combined incidents, especially when Liam started trying to legitimately help him in the boss fights.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2013 10:28:03 GMT -5
With a broken freaking neck. Also with Liam, he was quite hard to hear in the NMH play-through, maybe if his volume was upped so we could of heard him through Woolie talking over him all the time. Maybe Woolie is still a bit embarrassed over that Metroid play-through. I think that was part of it. It definitely didn't help that the first time he angrily gave Liam the controller in this LP that Liam dominated what Woolie thought was impossible & said that he'd fail at too, making him have egg on his face. The one or two times after that he did Liam still did fairly good too, better than him, so I think Woolie's ego was bruised over the combined incidents, especially when Liam started trying to legitimately help him in the boss fights. I seriously don't buy that. It is completely counter to the fact that Woolie, easily, is the one who opens himself to the most abuse for the sake of the show. "Losing is winning", Woolie knows he f***s up, and he keeps moving.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 19, 2013 10:41:31 GMT -5
Really? I don't buy that at all. Given how salty and butt hurt he was over the Metroid thing during it, and how he was acting bitter more than once when Liam was doing so well on it. To the point where he looked foolish a few times when he thought Liam was going to bomb it and got super hyped for it, only for it to blow up in his face when Liam clutched it out.
Nevermind his bitterness and constant whining that went on in NMH2 about the fans and the jokes that the show makes in regards to him. Getting upset over something so silly as the freakin' Woolie hole & that one infomercial about the "Woolie". Guy went on, like, a fifteen minute rant about that in the one video, that doesn't sound like somebody that's willing to be the yoke of the joke.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2013 10:51:20 GMT -5
Are you the one who stomped on Woolie's Hulk doll? It's okay, we won't judge you. It was many years ago.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 19, 2013 11:30:23 GMT -5
IT WAS ME, WOOLIE!
IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 19, 2013 12:59:42 GMT -5
I really don't see any genuine bitterness from Woolie, at all. If anything, he's just playing it up for the sake of the show. Sure there's times where he might come across as salty, but it happens to the rest of them. Matt seems to get fairly annoyed whenever Pat blames one of his own f***-ups on him, even though Pat is clearly joking. He can get pretty stubborn occasionally, but you make it sound like he throws a bitchfit every chance he gets.
And I heard Liam just fine. His volume has nothing to do with how boring he is.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 19, 2013 13:10:25 GMT -5
I don't know, maybe I'm seeing something you aren't, or maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there. But I feel like, lately and especially with the NMH2 playthrough, Woolie spends most of his time raging, being salty and/or complaining about the viewership's taking a joke Pat & Matt did and running with it. I feel the Rustlemanias have been the only place where that hasn't entirely been the case, though it's even seeped into there once or twice.
The one in particular that was absolutely tiresome to sit through was his complaining during that one level in NMH2 with the endless vans of goons. Why I was glad that Liam and Matt kept trying to change the subject, even if Woolie kept going back to it.
I fully admit, as I have before, that from the very first time I watched TBFP Woolie rubbed me the wrong way though with his general arrogance and reliance on "GET HYPE" style fighting gamer lingo. I realize Matt does the latter sometimes, but I feel like Woolie tends to be the one who brings it out of him and does it even more so than he does, or at least he did at the start. And, I find it even annoying when Matt does it, because it makes both of them sound like weird meatheads. Except for the occasional moments where they're being sarcastic or satirical with their use of it, then it's humorous they're at least moderately self-aware.
I'm not saying Matt, Pat and Liam are perfect by any stretch of the imagination either, don't get me wrong. It's just their negatives tend to be outweighed by their positives for me, in Pat's and Liam's cases exceptionally so.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 19, 2013 14:27:52 GMT -5
Well they did become good friends by playing 3rd Strike together, so it makes sense that they speak in that lingo (more occasionally Matt and Pat). I actually like when they say it, ironically or not.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 19, 2013 14:29:16 GMT -5
I'm not going to watch it until later tonight, but sadly it's over.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 19, 2013 14:31:36 GMT -5
I understand why, just never cared for it. Anyone I've ever heard talk like that always comes across like a douche when they talk like that, to me at least.
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Post by Sektor on Aug 19, 2013 15:14:42 GMT -5
I love fighting game lingo, and using it in a non-fighting game context is hilarious to me. But I play a lot of fighting games, so that's probably why.
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