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Post by 543Y2J on Feb 2, 2013 14:15:20 GMT -5
***3/4 is what both Rock/Cena and Punk/Jericho got in the observer, this year will do far better since it will be Rock's 3rd long match in a short period rather than once a year so he should be in far better ring shape with more time dedicated to wrestling this year. This is how I rated them ***3/4, very very close to 4 for Cena vs Rock for historical signicance, crowd reaction and big match feel. It just felt like it was missing something that Rock vs Austin had in this position of final match of Mania, as an example. **** for Jericho vs Punk for chemistry, crowd reaction during the ending sequence, the ending sequence itself and the pop after Punk won. I gave ****1/2 for the Extreme Rules match (****1/2 for Sheamus and Bryan and ****3/4 for Brock vs Cena will never get tired of any of that PPV) ****1/2 for first viewing for HHH vs Taker but it has gone down a bit since more viewings ****1/4 to ****. I agree with some on this board that the crowd was incredible and the story was well told, but on the other hand I agree with others that said it was slow as with 27, and how the drama was over done instead of the actual wrestling in the match. Watching it live during the PPV with the atmosphere was still incredible though, even if the future viewings don't live up to the first. I will always be on the fence with this match. I hope that Cena vs Rock is better but now they have even more expectation on them to be better, that I am not sure they will overcome.
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Post by Fade on Feb 2, 2013 14:15:48 GMT -5
Besides the fact he's probably been focusing on weights, rather than stamina, there is the factor of age as well. He might not be able to move at the same speed as he used to. He's not old or hogan-slow by all means, but he probably ain't the same young whipper-snapper.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 2, 2013 14:16:11 GMT -5
Rock's had far more ring work than people are thinking. He has his own ring which he claimed to use for cardio and WWE last year had Hawkins and Hennig working with him and at least Hennig this year. Yeah there is no crowd there but lack of ring work/matches isn't the reason he's gassed. He obviously is getting gassed though, so why? Is it just that he's too muscular to work like "The Rock" anymore? I honestly think he's taking substances. You have to consider that his full-time job is acting, where the goal is to look good, not necessarily physical prowess. There are things on WWE's banned list that are perfectly allowed in Hollywood, and I highly doubt WWE would grill him over it. Besides the fact he's probably been focusing on weights, rather than stamina, there is the factor of age as well. He might not be able to move at the same speed as he used to. He's not old or hogan-slow by all means, but he probably ain't the same young whipper-snapper. I don't think his age is an issue, because no one really expects him to be as fast or agile as he once was. It's his lack of stamina. Undertaker slowed his style down over the years, but you never saw him blowing up five minutes into his WrestleMania matches with guys like Edge and Batista.
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Post by BRV on Feb 2, 2013 14:23:05 GMT -5
I honestly think he's taking substances. You have to consider that his full-time job is acting, where the goal is to look good, not necessarily physical prowess. There are things on WWE's banned list that are perfectly allowed in Hollywood, and I highly doubt WWE would grill him over it. STAMFORD, Conn. – In accordance with its Talent Wellness Program, WWE has suspended Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) for 30 days for his first violation of the company’s policy. That's what it looks like in print. Take a good look at it, because even if he were taking enough performance-enhancers to make Mark McGwire, Ray Lewis and Lance Armstrong blush, he'd never, ever get suspended for it.
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Post by Error on Feb 2, 2013 14:23:53 GMT -5
Rock's had far more ring work than people are thinking. He has his own ring which he claimed to use for cardio and WWE last year had Hawkins and Hennig working with him and at least Hennig this year. Yeah there is no crowd there but lack of ring work/matches isn't the reason he's gassed. He obviously is getting gassed though, so why? Is it just that he's too muscular to work like "The Rock" anymore? Yeah, I think he's just too jacked physically and mentally. I think he probably go 10 to 15 but with the energy and nerves he shows it all drains quick. I think the extra live matches will help calm him down going into Mania and make the match better though.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 2, 2013 14:42:07 GMT -5
I honestly think he's taking substances. You have to consider that his full-time job is acting, where the goal is to look good, not necessarily physical prowess. There are things on WWE's banned list that are perfectly allowed in Hollywood, and I highly doubt WWE would grill him over it. STAMFORD, Conn. – In accordance with its Talent Wellness Program, WWE has suspended Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) for 30 days for his first violation of the company’s policy. That's what it looks like in print. Take a good look at it, because even if he were taking enough performance-enhancers to make Mark McGwire, Ray Lewis and Lance Armstrong blush, he'd never, ever get suspended for it. I think because the Rock isn't a full time wrestler, he may be exempt from the Wellness Policy. And I think if he did violate Wellness, they'd still suspend him. Won't be much of a punishment because he's hardly on TV anyway. But once the suspension is over, they'd just bring him back and he'd be back on top as if it never happened. They'd still suspend him, they just wouldn't depush him or give any other type of auxiliary punishment.
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Post by 4real on Feb 2, 2013 15:29:44 GMT -5
I hope it's better but I'm not positive. Punk/Rock was better but still not a classic. I still don't think The Rock is capable of a classic atm.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Feb 2, 2013 15:34:33 GMT -5
I honestly think he's taking substances. You have to consider that his full-time job is acting, where the goal is to look good, not necessarily physical prowess. There are things on WWE's banned list that are perfectly allowed in Hollywood, and I highly doubt WWE would grill him over it. STAMFORD, Conn. – In accordance with its Talent Wellness Program, WWE has suspended Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) for 30 days for his first violation of the company’s policy. That's what it looks like in print. Take a good look at it, because even if he were taking enough performance-enhancers to make Mark McGwire, Ray Lewis and Lance Armstrong blush, he'd never, ever get suspended for it. Well yeah, part-time people don't get tested for it so he wouldn't get suspended, no.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 2, 2013 15:56:02 GMT -5
Is there any proof he's getting gassed? Maybe he's just that good of a seller (which he kind of is)?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 7:26:32 GMT -5
Is there any proof he's getting gassed? Maybe he's just that good of a seller (which he kind of is)? Who needs proof when there's conjecture?! But yes, I agree with you. I really enjoyed Cena/Rock (was there live albeit so atmosphere may cloud my judgement) and thoroughly enjoyed Rock/Punk, not a fan of the weird ending albeit but the rest of it was all good so I don't really get the "he was so tired" claims. Kayfabe: In Rock/Cena Cena tried to take the fans out of the game by grounding him a lot when possible, Punk dominated a large part of his match by out wrestling Rock and making him wrestle a power game for the most part. Whoever Rock faces at 'Mania (I still have some doubts over it being Cena) it'll be at least a solid match.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 3, 2013 16:09:52 GMT -5
I, for one, have not noticed Rock getting gassed at all.
Rock's matches are big on spectacle, short on technical wrestling. Rock has shown he can wrestle technical against the right guys, and Cena is not that guy. Cena is a Hogan wrestler. Big spots, a bit of psychology - just like Rock is if he's the one leading the match.
I don't think the matches would be any better, worse or different if The Rock was suddenly able to run a marathon without breaking a sweat.
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 3, 2013 16:29:41 GMT -5
Is there any proof he's getting gassed? Maybe he's just that good of a seller (which he kind of is)? Do you have eyes? And he's not that good of a seller, he's a great bumper who always went full throttle in matches earlier in his career despite the length. He couldn't even do a kip-up at the Rumble, he looked brutal.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Feb 3, 2013 16:31:49 GMT -5
If Rock wrestled more often and is in "ring shape", then it would be a lot better. However, WWE will protect the living crap out of him, therefore it will be the same .
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 3, 2013 16:57:01 GMT -5
It'll be the same or maybe a little bit better since they've already worked with each other so there will be more of a familiarity between the two in their second match.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 3, 2013 17:01:36 GMT -5
I thought last years was great. Told a great story and was captivating from start to finish. I'm not a big fan of star ratings, but it was a very solid and entertaining match with one or two really good spots. I preferred to Punk/Rock personally. But The Rock looks fitter now so I think they can top last year.
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Post by And_5400 on Feb 3, 2013 17:02:15 GMT -5
I thought the first match was 5 star worthy and really enjoyed Rock/Punk so hopefully it will be just as good.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 3, 2013 17:05:27 GMT -5
Is there any proof he's getting gassed? Maybe he's just that good of a seller (which he kind of is)? Do you have eyes? And he's not that good of a seller, he's a great bumper who always went full throttle in matches earlier in his career despite the length. He couldn't even do a kip-up at the Rumble, he looked brutal. Yeah, it's obvious that his time working out solely for acting has taken away the style that made him great during his first run. Dude moved and bumped constantly in matches untill the last bell and now that's not the case. Maybe he'll get better as time goes along but for right now, he's not wrestling like "The Rock".
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