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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 6, 2013 19:08:02 GMT -5
I know, right? Judge's should treat flippancy with more flippancy. he should have reduced her sentence, even! No, since while acting stupid she wasn't swearing or really acting up (until the end of course) the Judge should have left it at 5 grand instead of baiting her into extra 5 grand. You sure like to argue with every person that doesn't think just like you don'tcha? A Judge is suppose to be above all that. If the person was violent or calling the judge derogatory names and such I could see it...this was just ego tripping off a moron. You most likely would have given her solitary confinement. That would have showed her! See I can debate like you as well.
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Post by Error on Feb 6, 2013 19:19:43 GMT -5
Yeah, that judge was a dickhead. The girl was flighty to say the least but there was no reason to react like he did. Any lawyer worth their cash would have that thrown out and him tossed fast.
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Post by BRV on Feb 6, 2013 19:20:14 GMT -5
No, since while acting stupid she wasn't swearing or really acting up (until the end of course) the Judge should have left it at 5 grand instead of baiting her into extra 5 grand. You sure like to argue with every person that doesn't think just like you don'tcha? A Judge is suppose to be above all that. If the person was violent or calling the judge derogatory names and such I could see it...this was just ego tripping off a moron. You most likely would have given her solitary confinement. That would have showed her! See I can debate like you as well. She was charged with possession of drugs, and when she shows up, she starts acting like she's on even more drugs, smiling, stumbling, breaking into hysterics about jewelry and talking about "Rick Ross" money. She was acting like an idiot from the start, almost goading the judge with her stupidity. She was being disrespectful from the get-go and her behavior did her no favors. It's not like the judge called her a name or mocked her. He responded to her actions and disregard for authority, and even then, all he said was "Bye bye" after she'd been aimlessly standing there for about 15 seconds after he made his decision.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 6, 2013 19:22:22 GMT -5
She got what she deserved. And that judge looks just like my old junior high's band director.
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Post by hitchslap on Feb 6, 2013 19:22:53 GMT -5
No, since while acting stupid she wasn't swearing or really acting up (until the end of course) the Judge should have left it at 5 grand instead of baiting her into extra 5 grand. I'm not sure how he was baiting her. she clearly wasn't too worried about her sentencing anyhow, so how else does a person like that learn but with a punishment that she will take seriously. if you're demonstrating flippancy in front of a government official whilst wearing orange colours - and have the audacity to flip him off as well as curse at him at your own bond hearing - you can hardly expect them to overlook that. I'm not sure that this is an argument; at least it certainly didn't begin that way. I expressed my opinion and it was you who then personally attacked me -- "I'm glad you're not a judge", remember? so, yes, I gave a sarcastic response. hopefully you can forgive me. a judge also hands out sentencing that will deter criminals from reoffending. I dare say she won't be quite as quick to show disrespect in a court. I'm not following you.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 6, 2013 19:24:57 GMT -5
No, since while acting stupid she wasn't swearing or really acting up (until the end of course) the Judge should have left it at 5 grand instead of baiting her into extra 5 grand. You sure like to argue with every person that doesn't think just like you don'tcha? A Judge is suppose to be above all that. If the person was violent or calling the judge derogatory names and such I could see it...this was just ego tripping off a moron. You most likely would have given her solitary confinement. That would have showed her! See I can debate like you as well. She was charged with possession of drugs, and when she shows up, she starts acting like she's on even more drugs, smiling, stumbling, breaking into hysterics about jewelry and talking about "Rick Ross" money. She was acting like an idiot from the start, almost goading the judge with her stupidity. She was being disrespectful from the get-go and her behavior did her no favors. It's not like the judge called her a name or mocked her. He responded to her actions and disregard for authority, and even then, all he said was "Bye bye" after she'd been aimlessly standing there for about 15 seconds after he made his decision. But see, you left out the part where she says adios and then he slaps another 5 grand on it, THAT'S when he became a dickhead. She earned the 30 for her outburst, and I'll agree with your post for the most part, but he DID do that for no other reason than "to show her". How many judges get stupid people like her daily? But she wasn't violent so I don't think it merited tackling another 5 grand for being a clueless putz. Just my opinion.
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Post by Error on Feb 6, 2013 19:32:48 GMT -5
a judge also hands out sentencing that will deter criminals from reoffending. I dare say she won't be quite as quick to show disrespect in a court. At this point she is NOT a criminal and NOT convicted. She is there based on charges yet to be proven. Nothing he does at those hearings has anything to do with preventing, re-education, rehabbing, or re-offending. It is simply to prevent flight and guarantee they are in court for their scheduled trial so none of that matters at this point. She did nothing out of the ordinary to deserve the first "punishment" other than not being someone the judge looks favorably upon. It's crap like this that bothers the hell out of me. People spend years, decades even to get into law and then dickbags like this go and give everyone a bad name and make the honest ones' work that much harder.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 6, 2013 19:34:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure how he was baiting her. she clearly wasn't too worried about her sentencing anyhow, so how else does a person like that learn but with a punishment that she will take seriously. if you're demonstrating flippancy in front of a government official whilst wearing orange colours - and have the audacity to flip him off as well as curse at him at your own bond hearing - you can hardly expect them to overlook that. Am I the only one who saw him fine her and extra 5 grand for saying adios? THAT'S my problem with the judge. Judge's are suppose to be impartial and not subject to personal feelings...unless you have a tv show. No, I simply stated I'm glad you're not a judge. I didn't attack you, didn't say you sucked, anything like that. My meaning, if you'd like to hear it, is that seeing your post history you are incapable of being impartial...at least from what I've seen here. I could be wrong in real life, but I don't know you in real life so I can only assess how you post here. And I do forgive you. More likely she's going to be even more disrespectful next time than the opposite. But I could be wrong or you could be. I'm not about to put one of those tracking devices on her. I didn't give you my twitter name, that's why.
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Post by hitchslap on Feb 6, 2013 19:47:31 GMT -5
Am I the only one who saw him fine her and extra 5 grand for saying adios? THAT'S my problem with the judge. Judge's are suppose to be impartial and not subject to personal feelings...unless you have a tv show. I saw it and it fit. sorry, but a courtroom is not the place to exhibit childishness and general teenage rebellion. a courtroom is a place to demonstrate respect for a government official who has the power to grant you leniency or - in this case - tough sentencing. I, personally, would not position myself to receive the latter (as much as I possibly could). it wasn't just the "adios", it was also everything prior. her general attitude stunk and how do you get someone like that to appreciate the gravity of her situation? you give her a reason to treat the matter seriously. play it however you wish - stating that you're glad that I'm not a judge is a personal attack. if I stated, "I'm glad you're not a father", this wouldn't be a personal attack in your mind? I was not arguing with you- I expressed an opinion; nothing more. I don't think that that is the case. I state my opinion and that's that. I try to view most anything from another perspective, but if it isn't right to me, I'm not going to try to play the middle and hum and hah - " I guess I can see where you're coming from". I don't see what I would profit from that. I doubt it, but yes, you're right, I have no idea, ultimately.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 6, 2013 19:48:23 GMT -5
If someone is showing really, really poor judgment, doesn't seem to give a crap about the court process, and can't seem to process information well enough to answer basic questions clearly, it makes me less confident that they will appear every time they're summoned. So I don't actually have a problem with the judge changing her bail to above the standard. He was just needlessly snarky about it.
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Post by hitchslap on Feb 6, 2013 19:50:33 GMT -5
She did nothing out of the ordinary to deserve the first "punishment" other than not being someone the judge looks favorably upon. she showed flippancy in the presence of a government official and he saw fit to teach her a lesson for it. I have no sympathy for her.
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Post by Error on Feb 6, 2013 19:53:01 GMT -5
She did nothing out of the ordinary to deserve the first "punishment" other than not being someone the judge looks favorably upon. she showed flippancy in the presence of a government official and he saw fit to teach her a lesson for it. I have no sympathy for her. That is not his job and he is only making it harder on honest and good LEOs to do their job.
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Post by hitchslap on Feb 6, 2013 19:54:11 GMT -5
she showed flippancy in the presence of a government official and he saw fit to teach her a lesson for it. I have no sympathy for her. That is not his job and he is only making it harder on honest and good LEOs to do their job. there was nothing dishonest about it. she showed flippancy; he punished her for it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 6, 2013 19:57:13 GMT -5
He overreacted to the adios.....but she proved him right kind of by flipping him off and cursing. He's kind of a prick at first, but she really had it coming at the end.
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Post by Error on Feb 6, 2013 19:59:15 GMT -5
That is not his job and he is only making it harder on honest and good LEOs to do their job. there was nothing dishonest about it. she showed flippancy; he punished her for it. Once again, IT IS NOT HIS JOB TO PUNISH HER AT THIS TIME. This was a bond hearing, not a punishment phase or trial. Flippancy or not, as a Judge he cannot act like that because he does not like a person's attitude. He overstepped his authority and is making it harder for the good LEOs and Judges to do their jobs. He overreacted to the adios.....but she proved him right kind of by flipping him off and cursing. He's kind of a prick at first, but she really had it coming at the end. 100% Correct. Just he used his position of authority to provoke this lady and then punished her for it. She deserved the 30 for flipping him off and cursing at him but as a judge you cannot provoke people into it. You are required to be above that.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 6, 2013 20:03:47 GMT -5
there was nothing dishonest about it. she showed flippancy; he punished her for it. Once again, IT IS NOT HIS JOB TO PUNISH HER AT THIS TIME. This was a bond hearing, not a punishment phase or trial. Flippancy or not, as a Judge he cannot act like that because he does not like a person's attitude. He overstepped his authority and is making it harder for the good LEOs and Judges to do their jobs. It's his job to analyze her statements, attitude, and responses and determine if she's reliable enough to give standard bail to or not. Nothing she was saying or doing made it appear like she would be reliable enough to give standard bail to.
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Post by Error on Feb 6, 2013 20:08:27 GMT -5
Once again, IT IS NOT HIS JOB TO PUNISH HER AT THIS TIME. This was a bond hearing, not a punishment phase or trial. Flippancy or not, as a Judge he cannot act like that because he does not like a person's attitude. He overstepped his authority and is making it harder for the good LEOs and Judges to do their jobs. It's his job to analyze her statements, attitude, and responses and determine if she's reliable enough to give standard bail to or not. Nothing she was saying or doing made it appear like she would be reliable enough to give standard bail to. He gave standard bail, sent her away and then added more after he didn't like how she left. He went over the line.
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Post by The Wraith on Feb 6, 2013 20:09:57 GMT -5
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 6, 2013 20:13:39 GMT -5
So that's what happened to the vampire chick from 'V/H/S'.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 6, 2013 20:15:28 GMT -5
This made me feel a lot better today. Well that and playing science with my kid. We created someone who has sympathy.
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