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Post by Red Impact on Feb 6, 2013 20:47:34 GMT -5
It's his job to analyze her statements, attitude, and responses and determine if she's reliable enough to give standard bail to or not. Nothing she was saying or doing made it appear like she would be reliable enough to give standard bail to. He gave standard bail, sent her away and then added more after he didn't like how she left. He went over the line. She was already on thin ice by being completely incapable of answering simple questions and showing that she didn't seem to care at all about the courts, that'd be enough to up the bail requirement in my eyes. The way she left was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Post by Error on Feb 6, 2013 21:03:35 GMT -5
He gave standard bail, sent her away and then added more after he didn't like how she left. He went over the line. She was already on thin ice by being completely incapable of answering simple questions and showing that she didn't seem to care at all about the courts, that'd be enough to up the bail requirement in my eyes. The way she left was just the straw that broke the camel's back. You do that during not after though. The way she left is no reason to change her bail. That is where he went crossed the line. I'm not saying she deserves to get a lesser bail or be babied, it's just the way he handled it. He waited until he signed off on everything, dismissed her and then decided to lose his cool and play a game of "Who can be the bigger asshole". She is an idiot, he was an asshole. You cannot be an asshole on the bench and cause people to act like this. It makes it much more difficult for everyone to do their jobs.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Feb 6, 2013 21:16:10 GMT -5
what was up with everyone's accents? i didn't understand a single word anyone said
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 6, 2013 21:16:34 GMT -5
I disagree, if a judge has cause to, he should be able to amend his decision up to the point where she makes bail in my eyes. Her actions clearly seemed to show that she didn't take court seriously, and the way she left just cemented it, so it was reasonable to increase her bail to make sure she didn't flake out. He was too snarky about it, sure, but I don't see anything wrong with actually raising her bail.
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Post by CM Dazz on Feb 6, 2013 21:23:47 GMT -5
She was being a smart ass from the start, & got what she deserved IMO.
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Post by Jazzman on Feb 6, 2013 21:24:56 GMT -5
She was already on thin ice by being completely incapable of answering simple questions and showing that she didn't seem to care at all about the courts, that'd be enough to up the bail requirement in my eyes. The way she left was just the straw that broke the camel's back. You do that during not after though. The way she left is no reason to change her bail. That is where he went crossed the line. I'm not saying she deserves to get a lesser bail or be babied, it's just the way he handled it. He waited until he signed off on everything, dismissed her and then decided to lose his cool and play a game of "Who can be the bigger asshole". She is an idiot, he was an asshole. You cannot be an asshole on the bench and cause people to act like this. It makes it much more difficult for everyone to do their jobs. So, all this discussion got me thinking and I looked up the actual bail determination statute and here's what I got out of it and please note that these facts are just based on what we saw in the video. In the statute it says that the judge has the ability to make a determination on bail amount on 12 different factors and relies on two of them here. First is defendant's past or present conduct, a good attorney would probably read this narrowly and try to say it applies to criminal history, previous flight, or failure to attend. Whether or not he'd be successful kinda depends on the judge's stance and given here it would probably fail. Second, the judge can make a decision based on, "Any other facts that the court considers relevant." Consider this the legislative catch-all for this scenario. It gives the judge some justification on why he did what he did in a legal context. Now, odds are the lawyer for this girl will probably come into the courthouse tomorrow and file a motion to get the bail reduced and the judge will probably allow it unless he likes the attention he's seemingly getting. Then, we move on with our lives.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 21:35:13 GMT -5
It wasn't just the "adios". It was building to that. She was laughing, falling down, and didn't answer his questions. She should have kept her mouth shut and let him give her the bail or fine for 5 grand and walk away. Instead she had to act up and got nailed by it. It's the same if you get pulled over and decide to be a jerk to the cop. They'll either give you a warning, a small fine, or something bigger.
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Post by dlg3000 on Feb 6, 2013 21:50:18 GMT -5
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Post by Welfare Willis on Feb 6, 2013 21:57:39 GMT -5
She was being a smart ass from the start, & got what she deserved IMO. Yup, it's like mouthing off to a police officer. If you act like a jerk they're going to make your day a lot worse. If you act contrite and remorseful you're going to be a lot better off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 21:57:54 GMT -5
Could someone please get this judge onto one of Lindsay Lohan's numerous cases? Please?
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Post by CM Dazz on Feb 6, 2013 22:37:13 GMT -5
She was being a smart ass from the start, & got what she deserved IMO. Yup, it's like mouthing off to a police officer. If you act like a jerk they're going to make your day a lot worse. If you act contrite and remorseful you're going to be a lot better off. Exactly. Even if the judge/cop/person in power is a dick, smile & say "yes sir/ma'am". Even if you have to fake it. Things will go much smoother.
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Post by milkomania on Feb 6, 2013 22:40:36 GMT -5
Now, odds are the lawyer for this girl will probably come into the courthouse tomorrow and file a motion to get the bail reduced and the judge will probably allow it unless he likes the attention he's seemingly getting. Then, we move on with our lives. And this is why nobody's panties should be in a bunch about the guy. The way our system works, he probably had to raise it that much just to make sure she got "anything". I can imagine this was his 100th or so person he'd seen that day too. And, where the hell are her parents in this? She appears to be about 16 and she's got Xanax on her? That's barely old enough to have anti-anxiety problems.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 7, 2013 0:57:28 GMT -5
Dumbass chick behaved in a childish manner in court and clearly wasn't taking it seriously. So she gets charged with contempt of court.
I find these events hilarious.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 7, 2013 6:35:35 GMT -5
Because she was screwing around and thus making a mockery of the court. In case you've never seen My Cousin Vinny, that is a big no-no This is what I don't understand about teenagers today. Why you would ever backtalk a judge or anybody in power is beyond me. And if I was in that situation, I would be too worried about my parents kicking my ass to be able to laugh. Because they've been raised to believe they're special and society will take their BS forever and will never punish them because the poor angels will be "traumatized". So when they become old enough to be judged, they get shocked when it turns out that society WON'T take their BS. But not only was he laughing himself, he tells her goodbye, she says adios and that earns her another 5 grand? Yeah she's an idiot but he's a giant dick. As other pointed out, he was presumably laughing in bafflement and the thing is, the light-hearted jest quickly turned into disrespect. And when you act like that in court, you get extra sentences, that's just how it works. He didn't add the 5 grants because she said "adios" but due to the accumulation of little things she did to be a pain in the ass. If anything, I'm surprised he didn't give it sooner. There is also good reason to think she was under the influence, which is illegal in public, especially in court. Also I'm of the opinion that stupidity should be punished as a crime.
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Post by Paco on Feb 7, 2013 6:56:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm on Team Judge cause, quite frankly, screw her.
I'm just sad I got beat to "let's assign this judge to Lindsay Lohan" joke.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Feb 7, 2013 7:36:48 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of judges or courthouses but the judge was right in this case. Although she'd had no prior convictions, jail is meant to be a deterrent. Clearly, she wasn't taking her situation seriously so I'm assuming that, while personally satisfying himself for her behavior toward him, the judge's intentions were to make the girl take her situation more seriously and rethink what she's doing.
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Post by ICBM on Feb 7, 2013 13:18:02 GMT -5
Judge wins.
Was this in Miami? The accents on both lead my ears to believe that has to be where this was
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 7, 2013 13:29:34 GMT -5
So I'm the one who has to say it?
I wish that judge would sentence me...
TO HIT THAT!
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 7, 2013 14:29:26 GMT -5
She deserves it. She was acting like a moron right from the start.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Feb 7, 2013 14:44:42 GMT -5
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