Rican
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Rican on Feb 13, 2013 0:23:08 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on.
Also, the part about him breaking into the random home, tying up two people and them just HAPPENING to get free and calling 911 is shady as hell. With what we know about Dorner so far I find it hard to believe two civilians just happened to get away and call 911. Maybe he wanted the LAPD to find him?
IDK, I'm just speculating along with everyone else.
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Post by Jazzman on Feb 13, 2013 0:55:17 GMT -5
*Language Warning*
This thing goes deeper and deeper...
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Post by Lancers on Feb 13, 2013 1:06:37 GMT -5
Watching the cabin burn down brought back flashbacks of Waco. I know they're two different things, but I couldn't help but remember witnessing that live back in '93.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 1:30:32 GMT -5
*Language Warning* This thing goes deeper and deeper... Becareful, viewing audience, because in the midst of your morbid curiosity bringing you to listening to audio of a life or death gun battle, you might hear some expletives.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 13, 2013 1:36:18 GMT -5
Guy Dorner car-jacked said Dorner told him to get out and run, but gave him time to take his dog out of the car.
Throw in the stuff about him taking the two women hostage and tying them up...and, this is a weird way for a psychopathic killer to act.
Maybe there is some sort of conspiracy? Or possibly the guy is more messed up in the head than we realized?
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Post by Jazzman on Feb 13, 2013 1:40:41 GMT -5
Guy Dorner car-jacked said Dorner told him to get out and run, but gave him time to take his dog out of the car. Throw in the stuff about him taking the two women hostage and tying them up...and, this is a weird way for a psychopathic killer to act. Maybe there is some sort of conspiracy? Or possibly the guy is more messed up in the head than we realized? If you read the manifesto he seems to have a set code of do good whenever possible, unless faced with injustice. Also, he claims that he has depression possibly from CTE and wanted his brain saved for study like the NFL players. I honestly think everyone should read that manifesto if they get a chance. It's a very interesting and thought provoking read. I don't support the lengths he went to, but if what he claims is true, there is a ton of troubling things going on here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 1:41:36 GMT -5
Guy Dorner car-jacked said Dorner told him to get out and run, but gave him time to take his dog out of the car. Throw in the stuff about him taking the two women hostage and tying them up...and, this is a weird way for a psychopathic killer to act. Maybe there is some sort of conspiracy? Or possibly the guy is more messed up in the head than we realized? There's all different kinds of expressions of mental illness. Not killing those people doesn't make him any type of sympathetic person. I'm not at all implying that is what you were inferring, but a disturbing amount of people out there believe this guy is some sort of anti-hero because of the examples you provided.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 13, 2013 1:45:24 GMT -5
*Language Warning* This thing goes deeper and deeper... Pretty deplorable considering they didn't know whether or not there were any hostages.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 13, 2013 3:59:12 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on. Also, the part about him breaking into the random home, tying up two people and them just HAPPENING to get free and calling 911 is shady as hell. With what we know about Dorner so far I find it hard to believe two civilians just happened to get away and call 911. Maybe he wanted the LAPD to find him? IDK, I'm just speculating along with everyone else. He was on the run and clearly just wanted the car. I doubt he took the time to make very strong bounds. And with a bit of agility or creativity, one can rather easily untie themselves if there's no-one to stop them from doing so. If anything, I'm surprised he didn't kill them considering he believes killing an unarmed 16-years-old girl in cold blood is justified if she has the audacity of being related to someone he doesn't like.
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Post by mute09 on Feb 13, 2013 9:41:19 GMT -5
The thing is its sad that this guys story never made the news until he killed innocent people and a cop. The guy was wrongfully fired and took extreme lengths to get his story out there I am not at condoning what he did. They burned that cabin not knowning if he had hostages or not that shows to me this guy knew something the police department did not want to be told. He was killed in cold blood just like the innocent people he killed. The extreme measures they took to make sure he was dead should be enough proof to anyone they never wanted to take him alive. If he was taken alive that would give him a chance to tell his full possibly truthful story
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 13, 2013 10:23:49 GMT -5
No one looks good in this. No one.
At the end of the day, though, it's weird that this super dangerous killer pointed a gun at an 81 year old man, and ended up leaving without a boat. It's weird that this super dangerous killer just tied people up and stole their car. It's weird that this super dangerous killer gave a guy time to make sure he didn't take along the dude's dog.
It's just weird man. Then again, the manifesto that he wrote claimed he was only after specific people...but it also claimed "World War Z looks good," so he was obviously crazy.
Yes, this whole post was a set-up for that punchline.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Feb 13, 2013 11:34:34 GMT -5
Alleged scanner audio from yesterday that, if legitimate, confirms that cops set the fire in an effort to flush him out and implies that he killed himself with the "single shot fired"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 11:37:43 GMT -5
No one looks good in this. No one. At the end of the day, though, it's weird that this super dangerous killer pointed a gun at an 81 year old man, and ended up leaving without a boat. It's weird that this super dangerous killer just tied people up and stole their car. It's weird that this super dangerous killer gave a guy time to make sure he didn't take along the dude's dog. It's just weird man. Then again, the manifesto that he wrote claimed he was only after specific people...but it also claimed "World War Z looks good," so he was obviously crazy. Yes, this whole post was a set-up for that punchline. Claiming to be a fan of Dennis Miller is what confirmed his insanity for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 11:39:07 GMT -5
Man, this country really needs a hero don't they.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 13, 2013 12:07:57 GMT -5
No one looks good in this. No one. At the end of the day, though, it's weird that this super dangerous killer pointed a gun at an 81 year old man, and ended up leaving without a boat. It's weird that this super dangerous killer just tied people up and stole their car. It's weird that this super dangerous killer gave a guy time to make sure he didn't take along the dude's dog. It's just weird man. Then again, the manifesto that he wrote claimed he was only after specific people...but it also claimed "World War Z looks good," so he was obviously crazy. Yes, this whole post was a set-up for that punchline. He's in the exact same mindset as a terrorist: he is convinced to be the good guy and therefore, anyone he hates and anyone who associates with them (i.e.: their families) is evil and must be destroyed so his ideas can prevail, and he's only going to stop when everything he considers evil is purged or when he dies as a "martyr" on his quest. Also, the punchline was worth it.
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Rican
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Rican on Feb 13, 2013 14:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 13, 2013 15:12:21 GMT -5
No one looks good in this. No one. At the end of the day, though, it's weird that this super dangerous killer pointed a gun at an 81 year old man, and ended up leaving without a boat. It's weird that this super dangerous killer just tied people up and stole their car. It's weird that this super dangerous killer gave a guy time to make sure he didn't take along the dude's dog. It's just weird man. Then again, the manifesto that he wrote claimed he was only after specific people...but it also claimed "World War Z looks good," so he was obviously crazy. Yes, this whole post was a set-up for that punchline. He's in the exact same mindset as a terrorist: he is convinced to be the good guy and therefore, anyone he hates and anyone who associates with them (i.e.: their families) is evil and must be destroyed so his ideas can prevail, and he's only going to stop when everything he considers evil is purged or when he dies as a "martyr" on his quest. Also, the punchline was worth it. You have to figure there's eventually going to be a movie of this (or at least "inspired by" this) where he (or the character "inspired by" him) is presented as _absolutely_ in the right, with the more negative things about him (ie : killing people's family members) whitewashed. This is the kind of s*** that Hollywood eats right up.
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Post by Orange on Feb 13, 2013 18:28:29 GMT -5
I'm sure this is going to be a controversial post, and I get that it's an abuse of power. However, I can't really be the only one that doesn't see a huge problem with them burning down the cabin in an attempt to flush him out, can I? I'm not a cop, I'll never be a cop, but my guess is, when somebody takes one of your own, passion overrides logic in a heated situation like that - and I'm not surprised that they wanted to either burn him alive or attempt to flush him out of the cabin.
Just my .02 on it, I don't know.
EDIT - I also get that there might have been hostages and they should've acted more appropriately. However, I've never been a fan of using hindsight to criticize people who are in heated situations, who have nothing to go off of but the heat of the moment. Once all the smoke clears (no pun intended) it's very easy to sit back and go "well, they should've done this and that and this and that" and state what you would've done - but in real time you don't get that opportunity, especially considering we're dealing with cops taking on a cop killer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:41:13 GMT -5
I'm not a cop, I'll never be a cop, but my guess is, when somebody takes one of your own, passion overrides logic in a heated situation like that - and I'm not surprised that they wanted to either burn him alive or attempt to flush him out of the cabin. To play devil's advocate, passion overriding logic can be used to define the crimes of a lot of murderers, Dorner included.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 13, 2013 18:48:46 GMT -5
An ex-FBI agent on CNN - at least I think it was him - stated that they could've used thermal imaging in those cold conditions to easily tell if he was the only one in that cabin or not. If that's the case, I can understand why they'd jump to extreme measures when the guy's whole MO is to kill police to make a statement. Some people online are acting like they wanted to burn him at the stake like a witch, when really, it seems to me that they wanted to flush him out or cause him to end the situation himself before nightfall. I can't blame them for not wanting to rush the cabin when he's an ex-cop who may have equipment to withstand tear gas, who's publicly made it clear he wants to kill police.
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