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Post by dlg3000 on Feb 10, 2013 17:58:14 GMT -5
Thanks, Akeem.
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Post by Romeo Hotel on Feb 10, 2013 22:32:56 GMT -5
As you can see, I put more stock in actual skill sets than team accomplishments (like Super Bowl rings). If you go by rings, you have to put Bradshaw and Aikman up there, but they simply weren't as good in terms of QB ability in my opinion. Rings or not, Troy Aikman in no way shape or form should ever be put in any consideration for Greatest QB of all time. Look up Aikman's stats, and then cover up Troy Aikman's name on the webpage. By the numbers, you would think it's Trent Dilfer.That's bit of an overreaction don't you think?
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Post by Mac on Feb 10, 2013 23:01:32 GMT -5
Yeah Im from Massachusetts but the two greatest QBs ever are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. If you wanna just go by the numbers they're an interchangable 1-2 for me.
Certainly the game today is different from what it was even 10 years ago. But if you play the numbers they're 1-2 in either order.
Its a QBcentric league now and they're the two best of the QB era.
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Post by FrankGotch on Feb 11, 2013 0:17:33 GMT -5
Otto Graham hands down. Show me any other QB who made the championship game EVERY year of his career. 10 years 10 straight championship appearances 7 championship wins.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 11, 2013 0:43:49 GMT -5
Montana - While he did have great weapons, he still won 4 Super Bowls. You can have great weapons, but that doesn't guarantee you'll be great. Montana just won. Hell he led the Chiefs to an AFC Championship Game. He was the guy, on teams that included Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, and John Taylor, Montana was the guy.
As for Aikman, Steve Young >>>> Troy Aikman.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Feb 11, 2013 2:26:46 GMT -5
Too many different eras to judge by. My own favorites: Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Joe Montana, and Peyton Manning.
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Post by stinger on Feb 11, 2013 3:20:40 GMT -5
I wasn't saying Aikman was in the discussion. I was using him as an example as why using Super Bowl rings as a criteria can be flawed.
That would also be my response to Otto Graham. Teams win championships, not players. No one in their right mind, if they were picking a QB for their team out of the pool of every QB in history, would choose Otto Graham.
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Post by JTH on Feb 11, 2013 7:20:03 GMT -5
Rings or not, Troy Aikman in no way shape or form should ever be put in any consideration for Greatest QB of all time. Look up Aikman's stats, and then cover up Troy Aikman's name on the webpage. By the numbers, you would think it's Trent Dilfer.That's bit of an overreaction don't you think? The last year Dallas won the Super Bowl (XXX), Aikman that season threw for 16 TDs in that season. If any QB today won a Super Bowl having only 16 TDs in a season, people would call him a complete liability. Aikiman's highest TD count for a season was 23, Mark Sanchez had more than that last season. Now those are just facts, take them how you want.
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Post by Demented on Feb 11, 2013 10:06:32 GMT -5
Joe Montana.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Feb 11, 2013 14:35:40 GMT -5
That's bit of an overreaction don't you think? The last year Dallas won the Super Bowl (XXX), Aikman that season threw for 16 TDs in that season. If any QB today won a Super Bowl having only 16 TDs in a season, people would call him a complete liability. Aikiman's highest TD count for a season was 23, Mark Sanchez had more than that last season. Now those are just facts, take them how you want. It was also a different era and Dallas was a run balanced team.
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Post by Big L on Feb 11, 2013 14:43:43 GMT -5
Mark Sanchez, jk pretty tough decision I guess I'll say Montana
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 14:54:47 GMT -5
Otto Graham hands down. Show me any other QB who made the championship game EVERY year of his career. 10 years 10 straight championship appearances 7 championship wins. Welcome back Frank Gotch!!!!
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 11, 2013 14:57:04 GMT -5
Tommy Kramer!
Now that I got my young fanboy out of me, I would say it's still Joe Montana.
I try to not look at stats because they bug the hell out of me unless it's relative to other players during their time. For instance, I know Aaron Rodgers is a stud, but his numbers are stupid inflated because he has to throw like a crazy person every game to win. If you go by numbers, he could end up (at the end of his career) with double the stats of Montana.
Hell, dudes like Christan Ponder will have stats that will dwarf the Troy Aikman's of the world soon enough.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 11, 2013 22:36:37 GMT -5
I think Steve Young would get serious consideration if Montana got traded away sooner. He played out of his mind when he was given the ball again (after his less successful stint with the Bucs, but back then no one would have won games as their QB).
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Post by stinger on Feb 11, 2013 22:53:16 GMT -5
The last year Dallas won the Super Bowl (XXX), Aikman that season threw for 16 TDs in that season. If any QB today won a Super Bowl having only 16 TDs in a season, people would call him a complete liability. Aikiman's highest TD count for a season was 23, Mark Sanchez had more than that last season. Now those are just facts, take them how you want. It was also a different era and Dallas was a run balanced team. And the Jets were just a passing powerhouse this season? Aikman had Michael Irvin. Sanchez had Jeremy Kerley.
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Post by Munkie91087 on Feb 11, 2013 22:56:15 GMT -5
John Elway.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 12, 2013 10:06:07 GMT -5
It's hard to say with the different eras and the rule changes that went with them. Hell call me crazy I even talk about Kurt Warner who was a favorite of mine. His numbers with the Rams at there high was crazy. Yes he had a crapload of weapons but knowing how to use them is key. Now what I look at is the impact that had on the teams he left. The Rams went down hill. AZ went from playoff to crap in a matter of a season.
The only team he left that went on to still be successful was the Giants. But he proven that he was a different maker.
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Post by Sam Punk on Feb 12, 2013 15:48:46 GMT -5
Peyton Manning
Look at how far the Colts fell when he was injured.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 12, 2013 16:00:27 GMT -5
I'm going to exclude any current QBs from consideration. John Elway, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, and Brett Favre were the best during my childhood/teens. I can't really judge the QBs from before that time.
Of the modern day players, obviously Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees look to be on their way to making a case for consideration. Don't want to proclaim anything about a current player.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 12, 2013 16:49:08 GMT -5
My rankings:
1. Joe Montana 2. Johnny Unitas 3. Tom Brady 3. Peyton Manning 5. John Elway
Marino, Young, Tarkenton, and Favre would round out the list.
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