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Post by dlg3000 on Feb 10, 2013 7:49:17 GMT -5
Who in your opinion is the greatest NFL Quarterback of all time and is Joe Montana one of them? My brother is a 49ers fan; that is why I asked.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 10, 2013 8:10:50 GMT -5
The actual single "greatest" is, of course, impossible to determine but Montana would surely make most Top 5 lists, if not Top 3.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 10, 2013 8:13:44 GMT -5
I'd go with Montana, but yeah, it's impossible to really say. QB's can only be as good as the pieces around them and the plays they run, and they never directly compete against other QB's, but the opposing defenses.
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Post by JTH on Feb 10, 2013 8:25:48 GMT -5
Of course it leads to the old question did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 10:10:37 GMT -5
Of course it leads to the old question did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana? Montana was awesome even at Notre Dame so it seems a silly question to me. They definitely helped each other, but neither made the other. |
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Feb 10, 2013 10:11:29 GMT -5
The actual single "greatest" is, of course, impossible to determine but Montana would surely make most Top 5 lists, if not Top 3. You should also factor in the numerous rule changes over the years that benefitted the passing game, as well as the safety rules to protect the offensive players, esp. the QB: - Mel Blount Rule (post-1978)
- Post-Polian rule enforcements (post-2004)
- Roy Williams Rule
- Carson Palmer Rule (2006) and the Tom Brady amendment to the Palmer Rule (2009)
- "Defenseless player" rules
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Post by stinger on Feb 10, 2013 10:27:39 GMT -5
Joe Montana is pretty universally in everyone's Top 5. My Top 5:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Dan Marino
5. Johnny Unitas
As you can see, I put more stock in actual skill sets than team accomplishments (like Super Bowl rings). If you go by rings, you have to put Bradshaw and Aikman up there, but they simply weren't as good in terms of QB ability in my opinion.
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Post by dlg3000 on Feb 10, 2013 10:34:44 GMT -5
How is it silly, Akeem? I don't understand. You have to realize that I am not the most knowledgeable football fan in terms of the last few years at least. In fact, I don't know who half of today's players are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 10:46:39 GMT -5
Fran Tarkenton by far. Forget his passing game for a second, that guy wasn't a swift runner by any means, but managed to scramble out of trouble almost every time. He's not the "athlete" who ran because he had the speed (like Randall Cunningham), he ran because he had no other choice.
Edit: Yeah, I'd consider Joe Montana in my Top Ten. Not a fan of his, but he was good at what he did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 11:08:32 GMT -5
How is it silly, Akeem? I don't understand. You have to realize that I am not the most knowledgeable football fan in terms of the last few years at least. In fact, I don't know who half of today's players are. My comment was intended for the person that I quoted about whether Jerry Rice made Montana good or vice versa. Montana is in the top 5 or so QBs IMO. |
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Post by britishbulldog on Feb 10, 2013 11:13:20 GMT -5
Give me Elway. In the fourth quarter and needing a comeback he was amazing. He took a team with out great players around him to the Super Bowl multiple times. Then when he got a running game he won 2. The guy was a stud.
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Post by JTH on Feb 10, 2013 12:48:12 GMT -5
As you can see, I put more stock in actual skill sets than team accomplishments (like Super Bowl rings). If you go by rings, you have to put Bradshaw and Aikman up there, but they simply weren't as good in terms of QB ability in my opinion. Rings or not, Troy Aikman in no way shape or form should ever be put in any consideration for Greatest QB of all time. Look up Aikman's stats, and then cover up Troy Aikman's name on the webpage. By the numbers, you would think it's Trent Dilfer. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 13:20:34 GMT -5
Peyton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 13:23:01 GMT -5
Johnny Unitas. Dude put up crazy numbers back in the day when the defense mugged receivers, roughed up QBs, and he called his own plays.
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Post by Lord Rahl on Feb 10, 2013 14:12:31 GMT -5
Tim Tebow
In all honesty, I'd have to go with the consensus and say Montana.
Peyton and Brady (as much as I hate him) are up there as well I feel
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Feb 10, 2013 14:28:15 GMT -5
Give me Elway. In the fourth quarter and needing a comeback he was amazing. He took a team with out great players around him to the Super Bowl multiple times. Then when he got a running game he won 2. The guy was a stud. He was the best player on the team, but it isn't like he was surrounded by scrubs. His line was phenomenal, and Terrell Davis was out of his mind those two years. |
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Post by Dat Dude on Feb 10, 2013 14:30:14 GMT -5
Going by eyeball test and stats, for me it would be: Peyton Manning followed by Dan Marino.
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Post by Orange on Feb 10, 2013 14:51:27 GMT -5
Tom Brady. This coming from a Broncos fan.
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Post by Toxik916 on Feb 10, 2013 15:39:38 GMT -5
Montana easily.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 15:43:01 GMT -5
going by stats, Brett Favre.
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