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Post by héad.casé on Feb 18, 2013 12:42:49 GMT -5
Was looking through my DVD collection and completely forgot I bought this, so gave it a watch. Not as bad as I remember I thought it was, but still - too much going on. Introducing Sandman, the Symbiote saga with Spidey took up the majority of the movie so we never really got a lot of Brock in the Venom suit, plus it seemed to be way too much about Peter and Mary Jane drifting apart than anything else.
I know they needed to wrap up Harry Osborn's story from the previous movies so that I didn't mind, but it was just too much crammed into one movie.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 18, 2013 14:06:06 GMT -5
Basically there were three movies going on at once - the one Sam Raimi wanted to tell (The Sandman story), the one the fans wanted to be told (The Venom story) and the one that needed to be told (The Harry Osborn/Green Goblin story). They tried to mesh them together and it just did not work.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 18, 2013 14:20:25 GMT -5
Basically there were three movies going on at once - the one Sam Raimi wanted to tell (The Sandman story), the one the fans wanted to be told (The Venom story) and the one that needed to be told (The Harry Osborn/Green Goblin story). They tried to mesh them together and it just did not work. Very well worded, and I completely agree. There's really no clear-cut bad guy in how it went down. The two guys with the most red on their hands are Sam Raimi and Avi Arad. Raimi for being too stubborn to make the movie that made the most sense (Green Goblin II), and Arad for forcing Venom on the film. That said, I still place most of the blame on Sam Raimi. His treatment of Venom and the symbiote just reeks of him acting like a petulant child. He openly stated in interviews since the first Spidey film that he hated Venom, because he didn't grow up with him. So Spider-Man 3 was basically his middle finger to all the fans of the 80's and 90's who had been begging for the character. Then you have Sandman, who shouldn't have been in the movie at all. Raimi developed this annoying habit starting in Spider-Man 2 where he'd take a villain who was supposed to be a complete asshole (Octavius, Sandman), and make them some sympathetic sad-sack. It was so cheesy, and the idea that Peter would forgive him for being involved with the death of Uncle Ben was a slap in the face to the entire audience. Movie fans were invested in Peter's life and I saw people openly cry in the theater at Ben's death. Then two movies later you have Peter just let it go? The audience needed justice for Ben's death, and they didn't get it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 18, 2013 14:29:06 GMT -5
Awful movie. Convoluted mess.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 18, 2013 14:31:45 GMT -5
Nonsensical mess of a film. And we all know that Superman III did the "hero turned into a petty, evil version of himself" bit better.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 18, 2013 14:39:08 GMT -5
I was a pretty big Spider-Man 3 apologist when it was in theaters, but I revisited it last year and it took me 3 sittings to finish it.
I still believe it could be edited down into a good 80-minute fame-goes-to-Spidey's-head-as-he-fights-Sandman movie, which is more than I can say for the truly bad unsalvagable comic movies, but as it stand its pretty weak.
I used to think 2 was the best, but I think the original has aged the best out of all of them.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Feb 18, 2013 16:25:39 GMT -5
Sandman has had depth and changes over the years. He was an Avenger for a bit and best friends with Ben Grimm/Thing. He was well past being just an ahole crook by the time the movie came along. Heck, his story was the only compelling part of the film.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 18, 2013 16:30:46 GMT -5
Sandman has had depth and changes over the years. He was an Avenger for a bit and best friends with Ben Grimm/Thing. He was well past being just an ahole crook by the time the movie came along. Heck, his story was the only compelling part of the film. I agree with this. I also think if they actually allowed Raimi to make the movie he wanted with Sandman and Vulture it probably would have come out alright. Although that still leaves the Harry plot thread open.
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