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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 10, 2013 15:30:31 GMT -5
Pegasus, you are 100% wrong about me being Mafia. That being said, if you're 100% truthful, then Asher is scum and we'll have a 1 in 3 shot at the Godfather next day phase.
If you're scum you're the best damn scum I've ever played against. I'll trust you.
Vote: Asher
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 10, 2013 15:31:01 GMT -5
Ebwop: Vote: Asher
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 10, 2013 17:46:31 GMT -5
I didn't see that coming.
Good game, guys.
Spiked being a townie really caught you off guard . Not as funny as ritt flipping, though.
Gotham was almost mine!
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Mar 10, 2013 18:21:43 GMT -5
I'm only semi-surprised that Zack flipped Mafia, if anyone could hide in plain sight so well for so long, it's Zack. The loss of Jono saddens me because he's a good hand and his posts crack me up. But there's one less Mafia and that's great news.
So now we've got his list to work with and Wolf's breakdown of it is pretty good. Add to that Produceman's vote that just SCREAMS self-preservation at my expense, I'm fairly confident that he's Mafia, so I'm gonna do this:
Vote: Produceman.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 10, 2013 18:30:32 GMT -5
I'm only semi-surprised that Zack flipped Mafia, if anyone could hide in plain sight so well for so long, it's Zack. The loss of Jono saddens me because he's a good hand and his posts crack me up. But there's one less Mafia and that's great news. So now we've got his list to work with and Wolf's breakdown of it is pretty good. Add to that Produceman's vote that just SCREAMS self-preservation at my expense, I'm fairly confident that he's Mafia, so I'm gonna do this: Vote: Produceman.No your weakly defended OMGUS vote reeks of desperation
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 10, 2013 18:39:07 GMT -5
Update on the votes: Day 1: {Spoiler}Voting: Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz (1): pegasuswarrior Spiked Mohican (1): SNS 3.0!! pegasuswarrior (1): BoilerRoomBrawler RKTaker (13): All Hail Street Spartan, Jazzman, Produceman, stinger4christ, Moonie, BitW, Brad is Tough Enough, The Man They Call Asher, Orange, Legend Double H!, Mr Z Natural, Yami Redgrave, Knailsic Jazzman (1): RKTaker
Not Voting: 2. Zack Morris is Insane 6. Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz 11. Spiked Mohican (Hayden) 12. Wolf Hurricane 14. Dammit Cage(King!) 19. ritt 23. Hawkamania is Runnin' Wild! Day 2: {Spoiler}Voting: Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz (12): Produceman, Zack Morris Is Insane, pegasuswarrior, Dammit Cageking, All Hail Street Spartan, Brad is Tough Enough, Jazzman, stinger4christ, Mr Z Natural, SNS 3.0!!, BitW, Orange
Not Voting: Legend Double H! The Man They Call Asher Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz Yami Redgrave Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Wolf Hurricane Knailsic ritt Moonie Hawkamania is Runnin' Wild! Jono Michaels BoilerRoomBrawler Day 3: {Spoiler}Voting: pegasuswarrior (2): Yami Redgrave, Orange BitW (11): All Hail Street Spartan, Mr Z Natural, SNS 3.0!!, Produceman, Spiked Mohican, stinger4christ, Brad is Tough Enough, BoilerRoomBrawler, pegasuswarrior, Jazzman, Daime
Not Voting: Legend Double H! Zack Morris is Insane The Man They Call Asher (Vote was too late) Wolf Hurricane Dammit Cage(King!) Knailsic ritt Moonie Jono Michaels Day 4 {Spoiler}Voting: SNS 3.0!! (4): pegasuswarrior, BoilerRoomBrawler, Produceman, Jono Michaels Knailsic (9): Mr Z Natural, SNS 3.0!!!, stinger4christ, Orange, Zack Morris is Insane, Jazzman, Street Spartan, Yami Redgrave, ritt ritt (1): Wolf Hurricane
Not Voting: The Man They Call Asher Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Knailsic Day 5: {Spoiler}Voting: pegasuswarrior (3): Orange, Jazzman, Jonothan Michaels Knailsic (8): BoilerRoomBrawler, Produceman, pegasuswarrior, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, SNS 3.0!!, Zack Morris Is Insane, stinger4christ
Not Voting: The Man They Call Asher Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Knailsic ritt Day 6: {Spoiler}Voting: ritt (7): pegasuswarrior, The Shareholder They Call Asher, Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Jono Michaels, Orange, BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Zack Morris is Insane SNS 3.0!!! Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Wolf Hurricane ritt Day 7: {Spoiler}Spiked Mohican (5): BoilerRoomBrawler, Wolf Hurricane, Yami Redgrave, Jono Michaels, pegasuswarrior, Orange pegasuswarrior (2): The Shareholder They Call Asher, Produceman
Not Voting: Zack Morris is Insane Spiked Mohican
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 10, 2013 18:54:12 GMT -5
Looking at the votes is actually kind of frustrating. Knailsic and Lodi, both of whom turned to be mafia, never once cast a vote; contrarily, Zack, who also turned out to be mafia, cast two votes - both against mafia. At the same time, several of the people we targeted for not having the best voting records (ritt, Hayden) both turned out to be town. Just throwing this out there to everyone; how much, if any, helpful intel can we get from these?
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 10, 2013 22:57:29 GMT -5
7 of you are left.
Voting: The Shareholder They Call Asher (2): pegasuswarrior, Produceman Produceman (1): The Shareholder They Call Asher
Not Voting: Yami Redgrave Wolf Hurricane Orange BoilerRoomBrawler
Day Phase 8 ends on Friday at 10:00 P.M CENTRAL TIME. 4 votes are needed for a lynch.
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Post by Orange on Mar 10, 2013 23:47:49 GMT -5
As right as Pegasus was about Zack, I'm not confident that Asher is Mafia, and I even said so last day phase. I wasn't confident that ritt or Hayden were Mafia either, so I'd REALLY rather not go 0-3 on this.
I need to look at produceman a little more, but for now I'm going to do this.
FoS: Produceman
You've been on my fence nearly all game long, so I really need to look into your past posts and see if I can find anything.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 11, 2013 0:18:22 GMT -5
As right as Pegasus was about Zack, I'm not confident that Asher is Mafia, and I even said so last day phase. I wasn't confident that ritt or Hayden were Mafia either, so I'd REALLY rather not go 0-3 on this. I need to look at produceman a little more, but for now I'm going to do this. FoS: ProducemanYou've been on my fence nearly all game long, so I really need to look into your past posts and see if I can find anything. Fair enough. Judge my entire game so far. If you feel i'm scum, vote me out. I'm confident that my gameplay proves my innocence.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 11, 2013 7:38:28 GMT -5
My strong opinion is to go get Asher. Then, if he wants, we let the Vigilante do his thing to go for Godfather. All I can do is redirect you to my first post in this Day phase. Asher is confirmed scum. Asher is not the Godfather. I don't know whether he's leftover Cult or not, but if he's not, the math works against us 100 percent if we lynch a Townsperson. If we hit Asher (who's scum of some sort) and Vigilante strikes again, we still can vote out Godfather on the next day phase if Vigilante hits a townsperson. In effect, we'd get one more shot. If Asher is Mafia and we let him live, we lose mathematically (I think) if we don't lynch the godfather.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 11, 2013 11:28:40 GMT -5
Apologies for the a absence, guys. I spent the first half of yesterday at the hospital visiting my mother, and the other half celebrating my best friend's birthday.
I'll have my thoughts in my next post once I've gone over and reanalyzed/reevaluated everything after what went down during the Night phase.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 11, 2013 11:37:46 GMT -5
Good to know we have a Vigilante. However, what traits do Mafia Godfathers have? I'm under the impression that they don't register as Scum and must be lynched - they can not be Night Killed. Are those accurate? Am I missing anything?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 11, 2013 12:15:47 GMT -5
If we take a second look at Produce, PW, Yami, and Zack's rankings, here ate the averages pre- Night Kill
Low numbers indicate Town leanings, high numbers indicate Scum Leanings. 1.5 - JoNo 3.0 - Wolf 3.5 - Produce, BRB 4.4 - Orange 5.0 - Zack 5.13 - PW 5.33 - Yami 5.4 - Asher
How does everyone regard their fellow survivors now? Later I plan to analyze each person who ranked - look for parallels, contrasts, patterns, correlation to Night kill, etc.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 11, 2013 12:23:44 GMT -5
Asher was ranked as scum by most people's lists beforehand. Pegasus is a very smart player and i believe that everything he's done has been for a reason. He was right about Zack being scum and i'm going to believe him about Asher.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 11, 2013 13:25:01 GMT -5
Okay. First, this... Okay, so after thinking about it, I personally believe BoilerRoomBrawler has the right approach; Hayden's lynch could lead us to a better sense of direction for the next Day. I'm taking it a step further though, here's what I have mapped out: Hayden flips Town = pursue Pegasus - He was next on my leaning scum list after Hayden anyway, so it's only natural. Hayden flips Mafia = pursue Zack Morris - This spot was originally for Asher, but after Orange's recent post, I'm going to give Pegasus the benefit of the doubt on his claim. Hayden flips Cult = pursue Pegasus/Asher/Other - This one is going to need some re-analyzing, considering it will confirm that we're still dealing with a Cult. Of course, this is subject to change, as I have to take whatever happens after the Night phase into consideration. With that said: Vote: Spiked Mohican (Hayden)..is pretty much moot, as Zack was confirmed scum, like Peg claimed. However, at the same time, Zack being confirmed Mafia, and voting for both of his mafia members, proves that voting patterns and who voted for who should not be the base of our suspicions (I know Wolf Hurricane just brought this up himself, and so I'm simply supporting his point as I thought the same). Therefore, while Peg may have bought himself another day, I'm still not entirely convinces he's Town. Though, Zack's death is a good start. Another person Zack being Mafia affects is Asher, and sequentially, Orange. Lodi's one FOS on Asher back in Day 1 means nothing now, and so, Asher's scum level is back to being 50/50 for Mafia/Cult equally, as opposed to the 80/20 (Cult to Mafia) I had him before on the previous Day. How does this affect Orange? Well, with the info that we got from Zack's death, being Zack voting for his fellow Mafia, Orange still chooses not to believe there's a chance Asher can't be Mafia, or any scum for that matter, and instead chooses to target Produceman (although, I don't particularly find Produceman Town myself). There were 3 people (4 counting Stinger, who I solely thought to be scum, and he was) that were listed as potential scum; Asher, ritt, and Hayden. AT LEAST ONE OF THEM has to be scum, unfortunately, we lost 2 Townies to get to this. I feel very certain that Asher is the scum we're looking for. However, I'm not going to completely exclude the possibility that Asher is Town. I'll have a list of everyone and where I think they stand in my next post. (Again, I'm separating these so they'll be easier to reference if needed)
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Post by Orange on Mar 11, 2013 13:53:10 GMT -5
How does this affect Orange? Well, with the info that we got from Zack's death, being Zack voting for his fellow Mafia, Orange still chooses not to believe there's a chance Asher can't be Mafia, or any scum for that matter, and instead chooses to target Produceman (although, I don't particularly find Produceman Town myself). I didn't say he couldn't, I just said that, right now, I'm not convinced he is. Looking back at his posts I got the same feeling that I did with ritt and Hayden, and that was that they weren't scum. That's not me trying to excuse myself from voting them, I'll accept responsibility with the others that did - but I'd just rather not go 0-3 on my "they don't feel scum, but let's vote them and hope they're converted cult or what have you". But, I fully accept the fact that he could be, I just don't feel it yet. Haven't been on the forums at all today, so I haven't had a chance to look back at Produceman. However, for the time being, my FoS will stand just as a way to let everybody know that I'm looking at him, and not just hanging back and not contributing to this day phase.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 11, 2013 14:12:31 GMT -5
Am I correct that the number needed to lynch is always equal to the number of non-Mafia? It could be a simple correlation I observed, but if it's true, then we probably are looking at 2 Mafia left.
And again, what exactly does the Mafia Godfather role do?
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 11, 2013 14:28:19 GMT -5
Here's my list from Town to least Town/Scum. Keep in mind none of these are with 100% certainty:
BoilerRoomBrawler - I've gotten no bad vibes from him yet, appears to be helping town in anyway he can, even if some of his methods are a little unorthodox (the dice roll).
Wolf Hurricane - Nothing scummy about his game. Although, he's been playing a very safe and non-threatening game so far, and Spartan had "confirmed" him Town. So while I'm currently leaning him as Town, there's still a very small part of me that thinks he could be the Godfather (who comes up as Town when investigated). This all depends on what happens next with the lynch.
Orange - On the fence about him. Some of the stuff he's said and brought up makes him look Town, but then considering he's allegedly the Jack of All Trades, who can be either Town or Mafia equally, as well as roleblocking Pegasus and preaching for SNS, who flipped Cult Leader, makes me think otherwise. Like Wolf, I'll be more sure where he stands when we receive the info from the lynch.
Produceman - I have gotten no town vibes from him all game. He's always been either on the fence, or leaning scum and back. I know he's been a very busy man lately, but that doesn't justify him as innocent. Same as Wolf and Orange, the lynch will help decide where he stands more.
pegasuswarrior - Good lord, talk about a confusing case here. One moment he appears to be helping Town and claims to know who's scum (and being wrong about it most of the time), the next he back pedals like hell and tends to twist some of the facts around to save his own ass. He's either the most scummiest town player I've ever witnessed, or he's a brilliant scum player. Whatever he is, he's very good at what he does. I still feel a lynch is needed here, just to give us SOME kind of answer and resolution, I'm tired of guessing what his game is. Won't be now, as he just earned himself an extra day or two thanks to the Vigilante confirming his claim about Zack. Like the above 3, the lynch will be the factor.
Asher - I've had him as scum for a while, albeit, at the bottom of the rest I've suspected. I'm fairly confident that he's scum now, and so, I feel his lynch will give me the answers I'm looking for.
With all of this said, my direction for the post-lynch will be in my next post.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 11, 2013 14:52:35 GMT -5
Am I correct that the number needed to lynch is always equal to the number of non-Mafia? It could be a simple correlation I observed, but if it's true, then we probably are looking at 2 Mafia left. And again, what exactly does the Mafia Godfather role do? False, the number is only based on how many votes are needed for majority. If the number is identical to scum left, that is just random coincidence.
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