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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 11, 2013 14:58:06 GMT -5
Speaking of my old die rolls, I can't resist wondering what 1d6 would roll (Seven players - Me = 6 -> 1d6). The first time I rolled it was Day 1 - my way of taking a shot in the dark. The second time I was trying to break a conversational deadlock (SNS vs PW) and it rolled up Knailsic, who was under the radar before then.
Now, I am inspired to roll one more time. Why? Not because I believe dice, a completely random device by design, have some divine deductive power. No, it's because they don't care who is a person of interest. They can shine an ever so small light on Scum who think they're getting away with murder.
When I cast this 1d6, it will be the last for this game. I will go all the way back to the beginning to investigate this player, and I invite others to join me. I will also immediately vote for them. I have come to decide that Fingers of Decision prompt little. But when my vote now counts for 25% of what it takes to lynch a man - hopefully Mafia - that's power, and I will use it.
Here is the list, based on Mason's latest post: 1 - PegasusWarrior 2 - Produceman 3 - The Shareholder Called Asher 4 - Yami Redgrave 5 - Wolf Hurricane 6 - Orange
And the dice roll...
1.
Vote: PegasusWarrior
Time to look you over one more time. Here goes.
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Post by Orange on Mar 11, 2013 15:00:50 GMT -5
Orange - On the fence about him. Some of the stuff he's said and brought up makes him look Town, but then considering he's allegedly the Jack of All Trades, who can be either Town or Mafia equally, as well as roleblocking Pegasus and preaching for SNS, who flipped Cult Leader, makes me think otherwise. Like Wolf, I'll be more sure where he stands when we receive the info from the lynch. Again, not the Jack of All Trades. Similar, but a different role. Also, as was stated, if the Cult Leader does in fact come back clean like the Mafia Godfather, my hands were tied there. I was suspicious of SnS for a LONG time, so I investigated him and can only go off what I was told. And the roleblock of Pegasus was because I felt he was Mafia. Pegasus has since said that I apparently cost the town big time there, but I felt that he was Mafia and wanted to prevent a possible town kill. It was a mistake, but I'm hardly the only one there. Hell, pegasus straight up said that two townies were 100% Mafia, so I feel that my suspicions of him throughout the game, enough to roleblock, is hardly without merit.
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 11, 2013 15:25:42 GMT -5
Bah post.
Well, I hope at this point you guys know what to do.
And with my final breath, I CURSE JENNIFER ANISTON!!!!!!
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Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 11, 2013 15:45:53 GMT -5
Asher flips Town = pursue Pegasus
- Since I believe if Peg were to be scum, he'd be more Cult than Mafia, this will pretty much confirm my suspicions that Peg is a Cult player trying to get rid of both Town and Mafia.
Asher flips Mafia = pursue Orange/Produceman
- Orange downplays the possibility that Asher could be Mafia, and thus, could be sticking up for his fellow Mafia member. While I still believe there's only 1 Mafia left (the Godfather), the discovery of 2 Mafia left would not surprise me, as we have not seen a Goon yet, which is typically normal in mafia games from the beginning (Knailsic was Judas, and so and he was a late addition). Produceman, like Pegasus, could be Cult trying to get rid of Mafia/Town.
Asher flips Cult = pursue Pegasus/Produceman
- We still don't have any confirmation if there's any Cult remaining, and for a good while now, I've suspected Peg as one, more-so than Mafia, and I've gone on to explain why before. This could be that confirmation. Pegusus voting for Asher, one of his own, means nothing now, thanks to the info we got from Zack Morris' death; a Mafia member voting for his follow members to blend in. No player is excused from being scum for voting against other scum, especially after that. Pegasus is a smart player, and knowing well there's some rookie/inexperienced players here, could be using that to his advantage. Produceman, on the flipside from "Asher flips Mafia" route, could be Mafia trying to get rid of Cult/Town.
And so...
Vote: Asher
I'm voting for Asher now because, while we still have about 4 days left until deadline, I'm going to be gone for the rest of the day, and I don't know how fast these votes will come in while I'm gone. On top of that, I might have to go to Philadelphia on Wednesday for an emergency trip, and so I don't know if I'll be busy tomorrow and if I'll be gone for the rest of the week.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 11, 2013 15:46:48 GMT -5
EBWOP: If you guys still need any answers from me about anything, just ask, and I'll get to them when I can.
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Post by Orange on Mar 11, 2013 15:56:42 GMT -5
The fact that you see me as Mafia, Yami, is pretty surprising. In regards to the Produceman thing, I didn't cast a vote for him, nor did I say I was going to. All I said was I was going to investigate him, which I haven't had any time to do yet today. To lump me in as Mafia based off that and that alone is silly, given how few people we have left, don't you think?
Also, I'm not exactly sure how many times I have to give my reasoning for not jumping on the Asher train yet. If you feel I'm Mafia based off of that, that's ridiculous. I didn't feel that ritt and Hayden were scum, but I went with it to get a lynch done so we didn't stall out. Did they flip scum? No, so forgive me if I'm not going to jump right on board right now. There's plenty of time left - if my opinion changes, I'll let you guys know.
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MasonK565
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 11, 2013 15:58:59 GMT -5
7 of you are left.
Voting: The Shareholder They Call Asher (3): pegasuswarrior, Produceman, Yami Redgrave Produceman (1): The Shareholder They Call Asher pegasuswarrior (1): BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Orange
Day Phase 8 ends on Friday at 10:00 P.M CENTRAL TIME. 4 votes are needed for a lynch.
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Post by Orange on Mar 11, 2013 16:29:55 GMT -5
Okay, here's this. . I was, in fact, attempting to prevent a kill last night by targeting Asher with my ability. (Turns out, he *may* be Cult Governor convertee, so maybe not the best choice after all, but anyway.) Pegasus says here that he tried to prevent a night kill by targeting/protecting Asher, a move that he states might not have been wise since Asher could be cult. If you (general), like me, believe Pegasus to be scum - the fact that he helped Asher does speak volumes. This post, after Pegasus posted his, followed. Peg... how did/do you know your protection on asher failed/roleblocked? I'm kinda done at this point, SnS. I don't think I've ever played in a game where so many town can't see the sun at the brightest point of the day. About all I have left are insults so I'm backing off and letting Town shoot themselves in the foot. We've been doing that since Day Three. Now, bearing that in mind, I'm ready to cast a vote for Asher - but I'd like some feedback/discussion on this first. Am I reading too much into this, or are Pegasus and Asher, in fact, both scum (that of which I'm assuming to be cult)?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 11, 2013 20:14:32 GMT -5
It's possible. I'm reading through the beginning of this game and, upon relating stuff to recent things PW said, it makes me wonder... Nothing conclusive though.
I haven't paid attention to Asher though, as that's not who I rolled.
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No Longer a Produceman
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 11, 2013 20:21:38 GMT -5
It's possible. I'm reading through the beginning of this game and, upon relating stuff to recent things PW said, it makes me wonder... Nothing conclusive though. I haven't paid attention to Asher though, as that's not who I rolled. quick question: at this point in the game, WHY are you relying on chance? I don't get it. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 11, 2013 20:39:18 GMT -5
Not chance. I explained my reasoning for this roll. With some obviously good Scum play going on, I decided to randomly pick someone to investigate and invited others to join me. Cut through the noise, which is just what Scum wants.
In fact, here's an idea if you're still uncomfortable with my die rolling. There are 7 of us left. Why don't each of us investigate the player after us in my aforementioned list? I investigate PW, PW investigates you, you investigate Asher, etc. We write a comprehensive report of observations from the beginning focused on a single remaining player. And here's the twist: everyone votes for their subject until they submit their report.
No one is under the radar this way, and everyone is only three votes away from a lynch.
That sound better?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 11, 2013 21:32:35 GMT -5
Not chance. I explained my reasoning for this roll. With some obviously good Scum play going on, I decided to randomly pick someone to investigate and invited others to join me. Cut through the noise, which is just what Scum wants. In fact, here's an idea if you're still uncomfortable with my die rolling. There are 7 of us left. Why don't each of us investigate the player after us in my aforementioned list? I investigate PW, PW investigates you, you investigate Asher, etc. We write a comprehensive report of observations from the beginning focused on a single remaining player. And here's the twist: everyone votes for their subject until they submit their report. No one is under the radar this way, and everyone is only three votes away from a lynch. That sound better? I'll do that when we're in the next phase of the game and trying to nail down Godfather, who I can't be precise on. The same way I locked down Zack Morris after being on his trail is the same way I confirmed Asher. Unless a)Asher is some sort of chameleon character or b)the game designer has a twisted sense of humor, Asher is a threat to Town and I can confirm as scum.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 11, 2013 22:08:14 GMT -5
Deal.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 1:59:53 GMT -5
To elaborate my suggestion: PegasusWarrior investigates Produceman Produceman investigates The Shareholder Called Asher The Shareholder Called Asher investigates Yami Redgrave Yami Redgrave investigates Wolf Hurricane Wolf Hurricane investigates Orange Orange investigates Boiler Room Brawler Boiler Room Brawler investigates Pegasus Warrior
This plan places responsibility of honesty on everyone's shoulders. It's not perfect, but I believe it creates accountability. It gives us the chance to review this whole game up to now without getting entangled in the actions of different players - just the one we're assigned to.
I don't doubt for a second that some of us have trickier subjects than others (I have PW for goodness sake). I also believe that Scum will take this as an opportunity to paint their targets inscummy colors. When the time comes, it'll be time to pay attention to weak reasoning, reaching, desperation, inconsistency, projection, and a generally consistent set of these and other possibly incriminating traits. The quality and composition of the investigator will be just as important as their report.
It will take time, but we have until Friday. And as PW says, we need to communicate.
And can someone please tell me what the Mafia Godfather does for the last time?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 2:04:36 GMT -5
Oh, also, I think it would be fair that all lynched and night-killed members are open game for cross reference with subjects at hand.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 2:15:11 GMT -5
Finally, I think the following could be compiled by one or more players if they'd be so kind:
1. Links to the beginning of every Day Phase. 2. Links to every writeup. 3. A rundown of all confirmed, hinted, and suspected power roles. 4. A rundown of every character mentioned in the writeups and their corresponding players.
I realize that characters don't mean much and that writeups don't generally provide clues, but some activity may start to make sense from certain players if we know what characters there are and were. Small insight, hut it could add up.
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Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 12, 2013 10:45:31 GMT -5
The fact that you see me as Mafia, Yami, is pretty surprising. In regards to the Produceman thing, I didn't cast a vote for him, nor did I say I was going to. All I said was I was going to investigate him, which I haven't had any time to do yet today. To lump me in as Mafia based off that and that alone is silly, given how few people we have left, don't you think? I don't what this is all about. I've made no connection to you or Produceman at all. If you're referring to that first sentence where I stated you could be "sticking up for your fellow Mafia member", I was referring to Asher as the Mafia member, not Produceman. Produceman is in a category of his own. Just because I have your names next to each other does not mean I'm hinting at a connection (unless written in the explanation below it), just who I would be pursuing that day if Asher flips Mafia. Also, I'm not exactly sure how many times I have to give my reasoning for not jumping on the Asher train yet. If you feel I'm Mafia based off of that, that's ridiculous. I didn't feel that ritt and Hayden were scum, but I went with it to get a lynch done so we didn't stall out. Did they flip scum? No, so forgive me if I'm not going to jump right on board right now. There's plenty of time left - if my opinion changes, I'll let you guys know. I understand, but I still have to look at the other side of this too. If Asher flips Mafia, I'm going to investigate both you and Produceman, and I'll decide from there. If Asher doesn't flip Mafia, then you have nothing to worry about, unless something new comes up. And since no one strangely replied to BRB's question about the Godfather; the Godfather comes up Town when investigated, can choose who performs the night kills, or in some games, is the only one who can perform the night kills, and is (normally) immune to night kills. The latter is more of a variation, but it's become pretty common in most games.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 11:11:35 GMT -5
Thank you Yami. Now that I know that, I ask why a Godfather is suspected to exist in this game.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 12, 2013 13:28:20 GMT -5
I will try to get on the Produceman breakdown sometime today. Really busy. So can't promise.
In the meantime, I have three names here:
Wolf Hurricane Produceman Yami Redgrave
Out of these three specifically for now, can players give their feelings on which have the potential to be Godfather and why that's so? I'd like to see as much reasoning and evidence behind the decision as I can. I mean, assuming for a moment that one of these three is Godfather, which had done enough to get that vote?
(I'm only thinking ahead to the next day phase. This is not a push for a lynch. There are no shenanigans. I just need to see people's hypothetical thoughts on those three as potentially the Godfather. I'm not even suggesting that the most suspicious person mentioned out of the three has to be the Godfather. I'm just looking for evidence and critical thinking about those three.)
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 15:39:41 GMT -5
Have a batch of notes covering Thread 1 so far. Onto Thread 2...
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