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Post by Orange on Mar 12, 2013 15:40:37 GMT -5
Okay, here's this. . I was, in fact, attempting to prevent a kill last night by targeting Asher with my ability. (Turns out, he *may* be Cult Governor convertee, so maybe not the best choice after all, but anyway.) Pegasus says here that he tried to prevent a night kill by targeting/protecting Asher, a move that he states might not have been wise since Asher could be cult. If you (general), like me, believe Pegasus to be scum - the fact that he helped Asher does speak volumes. This post, after Pegasus posted his, followed. I'm kinda done at this point, SnS. I don't think I've ever played in a game where so many town can't see the sun at the brightest point of the day. About all I have left are insults so I'm backing off and letting Town shoot themselves in the foot. We've been doing that since Day Three. Now, bearing that in mind, I'm ready to cast a vote for Asher - but I'd like some feedback/discussion on this first. Am I reading too much into this, or are Pegasus and Asher, in fact, both scum (that of which I'm assuming to be cult)?[/quote] So...nobody's got anything on this?
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Post by Orange on Mar 12, 2013 15:41:06 GMT -5
EBWOP: Whoops, screwed that up.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 12, 2013 16:46:06 GMT -5
@orange: I'm conflicted; severely so. Asher may or may not be scum; I'll elaborate on that more in my second response. Same with Pegasus: As I've implied before, the way I look at him is closely based on how I look at Yami. While both may very well be town (in which case, losing either would be hazardous), I'm inclined to believe only one is. As of late, I'm starting to suspect that'd be Yami - here to, I elaborate below.
@pegasus: The fact that this thing is still going means there's two/three mafia left; less than four, but probably more than one (again, only three mafia have been taken out all game, and that's if you include Knailsic, who wasn't scum until he was lynched). Scouring over the threads gives me pause as to Asher (and looking over it, Yami) for this reason; two mafia, confirmed through death, have targeted them - Lodi and Zack. Normally, I'd throw out Zack's insinuations based on his fairly clever voting pattern, but he never particularly tried to steer us away from lynching town either, more or less implying that he suspected Hayden and ritt but never voting for either. Further, Asher's pursing SnS leads me to think he isn't cult (although, that could've changed at some point in the game). SnS also spent a considerable amount of time pursuing Yami.
I say all that to say this; I would cautiously presume that Yami is town. As for Asher, I'd cautiously presume at the least that he isn't mafia; meaning he is either cult, presuming the cult didn't die with SnS, or town.
To answer your question Peg, exclusively looking at the three you mentioned, I'd venture to say it's Produceman.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 17:29:13 GMT -5
Thread 2, Page 20. Rereading everything, stuff is starting to add up in hindsight for the dead. I hope others give my idea a shot, there are revelations to be had now.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 12, 2013 17:51:27 GMT -5
The fact that this thing is still going means there's two/three mafia left; less than four, but probably more than one Scouring over the threads gives me pause as to Asher ... for this reason; two mafia, confirmed through death, have targeted them - Lodi and Zack. Normally, I'd throw out Zack's insinuations based on his fairly clever voting pattern, but he never particularly tried to steer us away from lynching town either, more or less implying that he suspected Hayden and ritt but never voting for either. Further, Asher's pursing SnS leads me to think he isn't cult (although, that could've changed at some point in the game). Here is an important follow-up I really need to make about your post, Wolf Hurricane. If you believe there are at least two Mafia left, AND if you believe Asher is not one of them, then it only makes sense for the two remaining Mafia to be FULLY on board with this Asher lynch. That would suggest, to me, that two of the current three voters (pegasuswarrior, Yami Redgrave, Produceman) would have to be top suspects IF your theory holds up about two Mafia remaining. A non-Mafia-flip for Asher after his lynch would equal numbers supremacy following a Mafia nightkill and a virtual "game over." Now, that is just in response to the Wolf Hurricane post. I am not ready by any means to make a final assumption on Yami Redgrave or Produceman. However, something that IS telling is that I know Asher to be scum. I do not know if he's leftover Cult or Mafia. But if he is Mafia, it sure deflates the scenario above. If he's merely leftover Cult, then based on Wolf's logic about two Mafia remaining (at least) then it's ballgame maggle so why not push the Asher lynch? I voted first against Asher (because I know he's scum of some sort). All Mafia would need is one more vote at this point. Again, if that Wolf statement holds truth, then the Mafia numbers supremacy would've already taken place and the hammer would've been dropped I think. The hammer has NOT been dropped for the fourth vote, so if Asher is non-Mafia scum, then it narrows that two-mafia theory to Produceman and Yami Redgrave. Just a breakdown of his post. I'm not ready to launch a next day vote against either of those or both at this most critical stage in the game. But I see Wolf Hurricane attempting to logic out the situation, and this is to go along with that attempt. Coupled with the fact that I know Asher to be scum of some sort, it seems pretty significant to follow up on to me.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 12, 2013 17:57:09 GMT -5
The fact that this thing is still going means there's two/three mafia left; less than four, but probably more than one Scouring over the threads gives me pause as to Asher ... for this reason; two mafia, confirmed through death, have targeted them - Lodi and Zack. Normally, I'd throw out Zack's insinuations based on his fairly clever voting pattern, but he never particularly tried to steer us away from lynching town either, more or less implying that he suspected Hayden and ritt but never voting for either. Further, Asher's pursing SnS leads me to think he isn't cult (although, that could've changed at some point in the game). Here is an important follow-up I really need to make about your post, Wolf Hurricane. If you believe there are at least two Mafia left, AND if you believe Asher is not one of them, then it only makes sense for the two remaining Mafia to be FULLY on board with this Asher lynch. That would suggest, to me, that two of the current three voters (pegasuswarrior, Yami Redgrave, Produceman) would have to be top suspects IF your theory holds up about two Mafia remaining. A non-Mafia-flip for Asher after his lynch would equal numbers supremacy following a Mafia nightkill and a virtual "game over." Now, that is just in response to the Wolf Hurricane post. I am not ready by any means to make a final assumption on Yami Redgrave or Produceman. However, something that IS telling is that I know Asher to be scum. I do not know if he's leftover Cult or Mafia. But if he is Mafia, it sure deflates the scenario above. If he's merely leftover Cult, then based on Wolf's logic about two Mafia remaining (at least) then it's ballgame maggle so why not push the Asher lynch? I voted first against Asher (because I know he's scum of some sort). All Mafia would need is one more vote at this point. Again, if that Wolf statement holds truth, then the Mafia numbers supremacy would've already taken place and the hammer would've been dropped I think. The hammer has NOT been dropped for the fourth vote, so if Asher is non-Mafia scum, then it narrows that two-mafia theory to Produceman and Yami Redgrave. Just a breakdown of his post. I'm not ready to launch a next day vote against either of those or both at this most critical stage in the game. But I see Wolf Hurricane attempting to logic out the situation, and this is to go along with that attempt. Coupled with the fact that I know Asher to be scum of some sort, it seems pretty significant to follow up on to me. EDIT: What I meant to add there is that based on the quoted follow-up logic, Wolf, your theory can't align with my statement of "that leaves Yami Redgrave and Produceman as top suspects" because you--in the same post--feel Yami Redgrave is Town. Of course, that then assumes Wolf would have to believe PegasusWarrior and Produceman would be the Mafia based off the follow-up logic I posted above. (Obviously, I didn't include myself and instead said Yami Redgrave and Produceman would have to be the top suspects ONLY because I know my alignment. I wasn't try to fully speak FOR Wolf Hurricane there, just clarifying based on the natural progression of logic following his initial point from the quote material.)
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 18:23:00 GMT -5
Thread 2 completed. By the time I complete this thread up to the present, expect a whopper of a post.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 12, 2013 19:13:23 GMT -5
@peg: As I stated in that post, as well as before, I'm not willing to say definitively that Yami nor you are scum. As for the issue of the numbers, note I said "at least two or three." If there are only two, both could have already voted for him and could be waiting for a townie to drop the hammer. In both cases, of either two or three, we could have a clever scum who, similar to Zack, is willing to let one of us lynch our own (or, again, a possible third party), rather than being documented in participating in a lynch. The assumption is there's three mafia left; if that's the case, his death would be, as you said, "ballgame." If not, there's still a night phase, and with both us and them having characters with night kill abilities, it's completely in the air.
Again, I'm not sure Asher's town, but I'm not sure he's Mafia either, and I think it's Mafia we need to be hunting right now.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 19:24:15 GMT -5
If I read correctly, True Blood Mafia had 28 Players, 6 of which were Mafia plus Cult and a Serial Killer, which is very similar to what we generally know for this game. 6 is 21% of 28. If this ratio is retained for this game, we have 5 Mafia. Lodi and Zack are two of them. I believe Mason set up the game with Knailsic counting as one of them, but with the added twist as a sleeper agent.
I believe we have 2 Mafia left, but I'm unsure why the Godfather theory exists. Is it commonly used in FAN Mafia games?
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 12, 2013 19:26:37 GMT -5
Mod's Note: Someone help this guy out! A godfather has been in almost every mafia game I know with a mafia in it. And when questioned, comes up as innocent in the night.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 20:04:41 GMT -5
Well, that's as good as grabbing me by my shirt and shouting to my face that there is a Godfather. Thank you, Mason.
And I think I know who it is. Unfortunately, I lack the a PC with which to post my analysis until tomorrow when I can hit a library.Give me until tomorrow, I beseech you all. Hear me out tomorrow, and I hope I can convince you all.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 20:06:56 GMT -5
In the meantime, I'm still up for discussion.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 12, 2013 20:43:23 GMT -5
Well, that's as good as grabbing me by my shirt and shouting to my face that there is a Godfather. Thank you, Mason. And I think I know who it is. Unfortunately, I lack the a PC with which to post my analysis until tomorrow when I can hit a library.Give me until tomorrow, I beseech you all. Hear me out tomorrow, and I hope I can convince you all. Lolol, no, I just hate it when someone asks questions about the functionality of the game and no one answers. I am in no way confirming the role. Just giving you facts of how the role is, you did ask how the role operates at night in the past right?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 12, 2013 21:43:59 GMT -5
Yes. Yami rose to the occasion. I went further to wonder if the Godfather role is in use this game. Thanks to the role I have, I know there must be one.
I implore one of Asher's voters to unvote until I have made my case tomorrow. If you're not sold, go right back. That said, it's not a comprehensive defense of Asher. It's just that he's one vote away from effectively shutting me up for the Night so I can quietly be dispatched in the Night. Pay attention to who brings down the hammer if it is brought down. I'll bet you that son of a bitch is Scum.
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Post by Orange on Mar 12, 2013 21:49:34 GMT -5
BRB, you've definitely got me intrigued. Can't wait for your write up.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 12, 2013 23:16:40 GMT -5
I'll bet you that son of a bitch is Scum. Hahahahahahahahahaha! I love that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unrelated: I'm not unvoting on a sure thing. I stalled out on Zack Morris and it was the wrong move. The Spiked Mohican vote was a gamble to buy time, and the payoff sucked. I needed him to go Godfather because I can't properly peg Godfather. Anything short of a role reveal can't be any clearer than my words in the first sentence of this paragraph.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 0:05:31 GMT -5
In other news, the word "bitch" is not filtered on this forum. At least, not anymore because I thought it once was.
While I wait for the opportunity to post (I'll be catching Z's on the meantime), if you're interested in what I have to say, Orange, why don't you try your hand at my suggestion? If you go by the list I laid out, you'd investigate me all the way back to the beginning as well as vote for me. Should you do so, I recommend you not only pay attention to me, but to who I respond to and to every lynched/killed player, especially Zack Morris, Knailsic, and Lodi - our confirmed Mafia. There's some really telling stuff about them all the way back when we started. Yes, even Knailsic had Scummy stuff going on long before we lynched him the first time.
I can't promise I will present an ironclad case much less an ironclad case for a Godfather. I'll settle for finding a Goon with my info. First I'll post the comprehensive list of post summaries and notes. There's so many of them I didn't bother quoting or linking - I simply label everything by post number and categorized them by Thread and Day. I will post this plain as day information and give everyonethe chance to make up their own minds before giving my interpretation, observations, and conclusions.
I promise everyone that I have special insight thanks to my role. If I am lynched this Day or if I am killed in the Night, look back at my work already presented, consider the implications, let it all sink in, and you'll find at least one of your Mafia, if not your Godfather.
I'm ready to be a martyr for Town, come at me Scum!
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 0:45:19 GMT -5
In the meantime, I have three names here: Wolf Hurricane Produceman Yami Redgrave Wolf - He seems clean to me. I get the feeling he's a Vanilla Townie who can be depended on to drop a bunch of data, observations, and questions on your lap at last once a Day Phase Produceman - While not the primary subject of my upcoming writeup, I saw things here and there that make me wonder. I don't know about Mafia Godfather though. Yami Redgrave - He's been hard to read the whole game. Still is after going through everything. If we were to lynch somebody for eleventh hour information, he'd be it for me. That said, he plays a mean defensive game. Looking back, he is still a "high yield" info lynch.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 13, 2013 15:54:05 GMT -5
I apologize for my sudden lack activity. My wedding is this Saturday and I've been completely occupied with last minute details. I like Brb's suggestion to investigate each other but i likely will not be able to participate. I will be on my honeymoon all next well and my posts will be practically nonexistent. I apologize in advance and hope i can stay in the game. If not i understand.
As for my vote, it will stand because i feel Asher is still our best bet.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter. I how town pulls off the victory for us. :-)
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 15:56:35 GMT -5
How convenient... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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