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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:19:49 GMT -5
Just for suspense...
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:20:40 GMT -5
THREAD 1, DAY 1Knailsic questioned the lynching of inactives - Plays a relatively inactive game, gets lynched, BAM - converted to Mafia #207 - PW guesses 5 Mafia and other “aggravating” 3rd parties; Says that “Inactives” Suck; First alludes to avoiding role claiming and character hinting (not incriminating - just remarking for consistency sake) #213 - Zack says he usually likes 1st Day lynches #242 - PW recognizes people by Sig; Latino Meat/Zack Morris “is not allowed to change his sig” #243 - Knailsic remarks about his sig to PW #246 - Zack Morris to PW “Yeah, good tip” #273 - Lodi thinks Inactives should be replaced rather than Lynched #280 - Zack Morris “Maybe we should lynch Lodi lol” #291 - PW wants to prolong the lynch, and votes for Lodi #293 - PW thinks Produceman “doth protest too much” for his vote for Lodi #309 - Asher and RKTaker “stand out” to Zack Morris #406 - Zack doesn’t want to drop the hammer #408 - Lodi doesn’t want to drop the hammer #409 - Knailsic is tempted to drop the hammer, but stalls. #415 - Knailsic drops the hammer on RKTaker Day 1: {Spoiler}Voting: Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz (1): pegasuswarrior Spiked Mohican (1): SNS 3.0!! pegasuswarrior (1): BoilerRoomBrawler RKTaker (13): All Hail Street Spartan, Jazzman, Produceman, stinger4christ, Moonie, BitW, Brad is Tough Enough, The Man They Call Asher, Orange, Legend Double H!, Mr Z Natural, Yami Redgrave, Knailsic Jazzman (1): RKTaker
Not Voting: 2. Zack Morris is Insane 6. Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz 11. Spiked Mohican (Hayden) 12. Wolf Hurricane 14. Dammit Cage(King!) 19. ritt 23. Hawkamania is Runnin' Wild!
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:21:23 GMT -5
THREAD 1, DAY 2#441 - Lodi suggests “inspecting the bandwagon” of RKTaker voters - Lodi and Zack did not vote for RKTaker; Knailsic was still town; PW voted for Lodi #494 - PW is suspicious of Orange, Stinger, Mr Z, and Hayden #500 - JoNo points FoSs at SNS, PW, and BRB; Theorizes that none of the Mafia voted for RKTaker #501 - Ritt says if he were Mafia, he’d vote for one of his own #502 - JoNo agrees it’s possible #503 - Double H thinks it’s a clever idea #508 - PW first points out he voted for Lodi, not RKTaker; Interestingly, he’s rather inactive at this juncture in the game THREAD 2, DAY 2#18 - Zack Morris finds himself in a dilemma due to an inquiry by SNS #19 - Lodi jumps to Zack’s defense by affirming SNS’s right to be suspicious #50 - PW is confused to how people know that Asher was Night-targeted as based on the writeup. #70 - PW remarks that Zack Morris (if Mafia) has him sold on Asher if his assessment of the writeup describes a blocked activity by Asher #88 - PW is willing to vote for Asher, SNS, Lodi, Yami, Wolf, and Orange - he lists various reasons for each. #98 - PW votes for Orange; “Time is ticking” #106 - PW will gladly join Produceman and Orange in voting Lodi “That’s actually my first move.”; “A lot of people are 100 percent convident I’m Mafia every game I play.” #107 - Zack Morris votes for Lodi #113 - PW votes for Lodi #118 - Jazzman votes for Lodi - Tipping point Day 2: {Spoiler}Voting: Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz (12): Produceman, Zack Morris Is Insane, pegasuswarrior, Dammit Cageking, All Hail Street Spartan, Brad is Tough Enough, Jazzman, stinger4christ, Mr Z Natural, SNS 3.0!!, BitW, Orange
Not Voting: Legend Double H! The Man They Call Asher Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz Yami Redgrave Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Wolf Hurricane Knailsic ritt Moonie Hawkamania is Runnin' Wild! Jono Michaels BoilerRoomBrawler
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:22:02 GMT -5
THREAD 2, DAY 3#143 - Lodi “Bah” post - He remarks that he doubts his Mafia style #158 - Zack Morris “We got one! Awesome lynch. ... However, I do believe we have Mafia against the wall now.” #160 - PW’s list of suspects: Legend Double H!, The Man They Call Asher, Yami Redgrave, Spiked Mohican (Hayden), Wolf Hurricane, Knailsic, ritt, and JoNo #163 - Jazzman remarks on the poor move made in the Night 2 phase; the seeds of the “Newbie Mafia” are planted #170 - JoNo drops his hint to his “Friendly Neighbor” role. #172 - Zack Morris questions JoNo’s move. #204 - PW endorses the “inexperienced Mafia” theory; pretty close to a vote for Knailsic or Asher; Guesses at 6 Mafia with the absence of 3rd Party Night Kills #212 - PW expresses concern for the Moonie/Daime fiasco; he wants logic to rule the day, not accidental clues #213 - PW EBWOP #214 - Zack Morris is unsure of Moonie/Daime #225 - CageKing roleclaims #226 - Daime roleclaims #240 - PW endorses Wolf’s list of questions; Feels confident in another Scum lynch #249 - Knailsic only suspects SNS #253 - PW votes for Yami; Also leans Mafia with SNS and Daime; Further suspects Zack Morris, Hayden, Stinger, Knailsic, Orange #259 - PW responds to Yami by saying that a [scumseeker doesn’t reveal their motives to their targets] #260 - PW points out that deadline is on the horizon #262 - Zack Morris is wishy-washy, but also speculates the “newbie Mafia” theory #268 - Zack Morris asks PW about what information he has in case he’s Night-killed; if he dies, everything he knows dies with him #269 - Ritt agrees with PW about his suspicions towards Knailsic, but points out that PW somewhat parallels Knailsic (up to that point at least); He thinks PW infers much, but says little committal #281 - Zack Morris agrees with PW about how dangerous SNS could be #303 - PW first gets defensive about receiving votes. Cites his voting for Lodi for two Day Phases. #330 - PW “Reluctantly” votes for Daime “Can’t go no lynch”; This is past the tipping point and 2 away from the hammer #348 - SNS regrets pursuing Daime based on Moonie’s departing comments #353 - Zack Morris points out that SNS may have accidentally let Scum jump on the bandwagon as a consequence of his actions Day 3: {Spoiler}Voting: pegasuswarrior (2): Yami Redgrave, Orange BitW (11): All Hail Street Spartan, Mr Z Natural, SNS 3.0!!, Produceman, Spiked Mohican, stinger4christ, Brad is Tough Enough, BoilerRoomBrawler, pegasuswarrior, Jazzman, Daime
Not Voting: Legend Double H! Zack Morris is Insane The Man They Call Asher (Vote was too late) Wolf Hurricane Dammit Cage(King!) Knailsic ritt Moonie Jono Michaels
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:22:43 GMT -5
THREAD 2, DAY 4#302 - Knailsic is the first to point out relief to know there is Cult (i.e. competition) #309 - PW on the revelation of a Cult: “Oh freaking great” - not happy at the presence of a Cult; “My theory is simply that Cageking HAD to go.”; “The Mafia hates role/character reveals” (PW says he agrees due to spirit of the game, but still...*; Then goes into SNS, fingering him as Mafia Breathes down Yami’s neck; Has no doubt that Mafia/Scum voted for Lodi; Votes for SNS #377 - PW becomes vehement on SNS being Scum all because SNS was turning the argument back at PW #378 - PW first points out his abrasive style as a tactic (I buy it, but it’s been a continuous subject since then) #409 - Zack Morris endorses BRB’s random rolling (of Knailsic in this case) #411 - Knailsic isn’t sure how to respond to BRB’s random roll, but he decides to come up with a suspect list #431 - Time being of the essence, PW wants analyses of PW, Asher, Yami, SNS, Jazzman, Produce, Wolf, and Orange #462 - Zack Morris’s response, all leaning: Town (dependent on SNS/Yami), Town, Town (dependent on SNS), Scum (but feels too opposite linked to both PW and Yami), Town, Scum (no read), Town, Scum #510 - Zack Morris votes for Knailsic, after the tipping point #523 - PW first (mildly) gives Zack Morris a nod for gameplay Day 4 {Spoiler}Voting: SNS 3.0!! (4): pegasuswarrior, BoilerRoomBrawler, Produceman, Jono Michaels Knailsic (9): Mr Z Natural, SNS 3.0!!!, stinger4christ, Orange, Zack Morris is Insane, Jazzman, Street Spartan, Yami Redgrave, ritt ritt (1): Wolf Hurricane
Not Voting: The Man They Call Asher Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Knailsic
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:23:21 GMT -5
THREAD 2, DAY 5#549 - Zack Morris begins to suspect PW #570 - PW continues to insist on SNS and Asher; Will join a re-lynch on Knailsic if a train gets started; Claims to have had Knailsic as a suspect since Day 2 #587 - PW votes for Knailsic pre-tipping point #592 - Zack Morris compliments PW on his read of ritt, claiming that ritt seemed to be protecting Knailsic #598 - Jazzman becomes suspicious of PW #599 - PW more or less brushes off Jazzman’s analysis THREAD 3, DAY 5#3 - Zack Morris: “Top 2 town members in my eyes both have votes on peg. Would be very easy for Mafia or cult to slip in on that vote. ... Id like to hear from peg before I decide what to do.” #6 - PW replies. Not much substance here, but he accuses the Town of missing details. #7 - Zack Morris is “frightened” by PW’s ability to lead the Town by the nose, especially if he is Mafia or Cult. He compliments SNS of the same talent, and wonders why the both of them have not been Night-killed by now #11 - PW shares some logic with us: If Knailsic is Town, then the Mafia votes should come flying in. “They are not, however. Why? Logic.” #13 - PW breaks down the problems with Orange throughout the game - complimentary, but critical #14 - JoNo votes for PW on instinct #15 - PW accuses JoNo of personal grudges #17 - PW coily compliments Produceman’s logic in that “lynch-proof” is a power generally reserved for Town #19 - Zack Morris replies to Produceman’s PWBA reference #22 - SNS wants to know how PW knew his protection of Asher was roleblocked. #23 - PW says he’s “given up on this game.” Town is evidently shooting itself in the foot since Day 3. #27 - PW tells us that we must pursue the Cult Leader due to math and logic if Town is to win. He tells us that Scum won’t do lynch for us. #31 - JoNo calls PW on referring to his vote as a personal grudge. JoNo believes that PW’s style this game would not be out of place for Scum #52 - Knailsic thinks PW is 100% Town out of everyone #56 - PW: “I want Knailsic knailed. We’re not on the same team.” #59 - PW begs to know who saved Knailsic. That no one is saying so speaks “VOLUMES” that Knailsic was a “scum brother or Cult converted.” #89 - PW: “Someone WANTS confusion.” #90 - Zack Morris votes for PW. #91 - Zack Morris votes for Knailsic. Says he was kidding. (... Or was he? Dun dun dun...); After the tipping point. (PW voted before the tipping point) #98 - PW accuses people of either being Scum or else not listening to him. Declares that Knailsic is Cult Day 5: {Spoiler}Voting: pegasuswarrior (3): Orange, Jazzman, Jonothan Michaels Knailsic (8): BoilerRoomBrawler, Produceman, pegasuswarrior, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, SNS 3.0!!, Zack Morris Is Insane, stinger4christ
Not Voting: The Man They Call Asher Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Knailsic ritt
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:23:57 GMT -5
THREAD 3, DAY 6#120 – PW Cites voting for Lodi as a reason that he, Produce, and Zack are not Mafia. Also cites voting for Knailsic the second day as more proof of his Town status. Puts Hayden and (as usual) Asher at the top of the Scum heap #122 - Dumbfounded at SNS’s revelation of the Town Judas role #124 - PW: “So did we, in essence, lynch a Townie?” #133 - PW lists the following as “ALL EQUAL CANDIDATES for Mafia”: Asher, ritt, and Hayden #138 - PW: “There are 12 left. Worst Case Scenario: 5 Town, 4 Cult, 3 Mafia” #168 - Zack Morris speculates on the Cult. “Cannot convert Mafia.” Speculates that there are, at most, 4 left as of Day 6, assuming that the Cult Leader, 5 recruits, and the deaths of Double H and Jazzman #201 - PW complains about people not reading his posts again. “Spoiler: Cult wins.” #212 - PW tells people to vote either Ritt or Hayden because they are “sure things.” Calls Cult “WAY -- TOO -- OVERPOWERED -- TO -- BEGIN -- WITH!” Day 6: {Spoiler}Voting: ritt (7): pegasuswarrior, The Shareholder They Call Asher, Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Jono Michaels, Orange, BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Zack Morris is Insane SNS 3.0!!! Spiked Mohican (Hayden) Wolf Hurricane ritt
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:24:21 GMT -5
THREAD 3, DAY 7#237 - PW: “And for our next trick” Votes for Zack Morris. Says we have this in the bag, that he deliberately alienated himself from the Town to trip up Mafia #241 - Zack Morris is skeptical of PW being so quick on the draw. #244 - PW praises Zack Morris’s Scum game - he begins considering him for MVP. Elaborates on his “self-alienation” strategy - he’s alive because Mafia wouldn’t benefit from killing him. #245 - PW has newfound confidence, telling Orange his previous actions were all posturing. #246 - Zack Morris declines that he’s the MVP. Reflects on the ritt lynch. Still feels the Townies are around PW’s finger. Wants to join up with PW and find the real killers. #253 - PW tells JoNo that multiple “works” were involved and that Scum is still at it. #262 - PW explains his strategy as “bait and switch” #265 - PW: “If voting against Knailsic the second time (Mafia) and lodirulz (Mafia) AND practically begging for an SNS lynch (Cult Leader) is scummy, I really need someone to help me understand this game.” #266 - Zack Morris wonders where the “rookie Mafia” theory went. #288 - PW unvotes Zack, then votes for Spiked Mohican. “I don’t mind puttind Spiked Mohican to the gallows.” #305 - PW says his knowledge of Zack Morris is privileged; Brings up his voting record again #306 - PW builds a case against Hayden #313 - PW is in “panic mode” over a No Lynch #346 - Zack Morris expresses continued concern over whether Cult reverts to Town or not with the death of the Cult Leader #355 - Zack Morris: “I think there is someone else who already voted for [Hayden] that knows his alignment, btw.” #357 - PW responds to Zack Morris with another semi-rant on Cults #360 - PW Unvotes Hayden #367 - PW says he unvoted to stimulate discussion. Congratulates Scum. #374 - Yami post convinces PW to vote for Hayden again. Day 7: {Spoiler}Spiked Mohican (5): BoilerRoomBrawler, Wolf Hurricane, Yami Redgrave, Jono Michaels, pegasuswarrior, Orange pegasuswarrior (2): The Shareholder They Call Asher, Produceman
Not Voting: Zack Morris is Insane Spiked Mohican
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:25:00 GMT -5
Vote: Pegasus Momma Kissing Warrior
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 17:29:57 GMT -5
Like I said before, I plan to elaborate later, but I'm giving everyone else the chance to see what I see.
Later I want to compile all the confirmed roles, as that's important to the case, most especially Zack Morris, the Mafia Cop.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 19:03:10 GMT -5
Like I said before, I plan to elaborate later, but I'm giving everyone else the chance to see what I see. Later I want to compile all the confirmed roles, as that's important to the case, most especially Zack Morris, the Mafia Cop. I'll reply in a sec to a couple of blatant misreads, but if Orange votes PegasusWarrior behind you, then congrats, you just won the game for Mafia. No, I'm serious. Asher (scum) would easily flip his vote and then the Godfather doesn't have to hide anymore to drop the hammer. 4 votes -- BOOM! Good luck getting a majority between just you and Orange in that scenario. I appreciate the effort taken here. But you target a whole lot of posts to incriminate and ignore the stuff where I've been right. And here's where I go into bad guy mode ... It's apparent in this game that you get punished for being right by your teammates. You're not allowed to scum hunt and win in that scenario. You have to be a complete doofus and eff up constantly in order to earn any credibility. In case you all don't know how the game is played, the Townies who are allowed to live in any Mafia game this late in the game are the ones who are the worst players. Sorry, but that's rule/strategy #1 of playing as Mafia. I go back to what I said about having to "play against the Mafia" and "necessary evils." I had to look like the botch crew in order to survive with the botch crew. I'm on your all's team, and I like you all, but the naive streak must end. If you're Town and you're alive, it's because you're either controversial or the Mafia has already figured out you're contributing nothing but hindrances to uncovering them (that could range from anything like inactivity to being a loose cannon to just plain being wrong all the time). I'll let you all categorize yourselves when Mafia jumps all over this vote and kills one of two most important Townies left. BoilerRoomBrawler, you may have a crazy good power role in your own mind, but it's nowhere on the level on the contributions the Vigilante plus me have contributing. Now go roll a shiny dice for a Sense Motive check. I just rolled a 20 on my Will Save, and I didn't even need a frickin' set of dice to do that.
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Post by Orange on Mar 13, 2013 19:11:51 GMT -5
Peg, I'd appreciate your game a lot more if there was a sense of "ya know what, I'm NOT a perfect player" in your posts. Any time anybody, mainly me, casts suspicion your way, you constantly launch into this "I'M THE ONE WITH THE LEGACY AND I'M BETTER THAN YOU AND YOU'RE STUPID FOR VOTING FOR ME" and yadda yadda yadda. It gets tiring. Never mind the fact that two of your confirmed Mafia were townies, you can't seem to see why some people don't put you up on the "Mafia God Game" pedestal that you feel entitled to be on.
I'm not going to cast a vote towards you right now, but geez, man, admit that you've screwed up in this game just as much as anybody else. Your game hasn't been perfect, peg.
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Post by Orange on Mar 13, 2013 19:13:24 GMT -5
And I do find it funny that you'd probably be praising BRB's analysis, even if it was imperfect (I'm not saying it is, I'm going off what you said about misreads and inaccuracies) if he had cast a vote for anybody else. But because it's against you, the gloves come off and that's that.
Just funny. That's all.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 13, 2013 19:13:44 GMT -5
Unvote
Now that I know I'll be able to stick around until the deadline (no emergency trip to Philly, at least not yet I think), I don't have to throw in an early vote.
That, and I'm curious what BRB's conclusion is. I want to see if I'm not, in fact, the only one who sees what I've seen in Pegasus since Day 3. Hell, maybe he'll even shed some light on things I didn't catch the first time. I've looked over your report and it consists of things I've already known, but again, maybe I'm not seeing everything.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 13, 2013 19:35:54 GMT -5
Peg, I'd appreciate your game a lot more if there was a sense of "ya know what, I'm NOT a perfect player" in your posts. Any time anybody, mainly me, casts suspicion your way, you constantly launch into this "I'M THE ONE WITH THE LEGACY AND I'M BETTER THAN YOU AND YOU'RE STUPID FOR VOTING FOR ME" and yadda yadda yadda. It gets tiring. Never mind the fact that two of your confirmed Mafia were townies, you can't seem to see why some people don't put you up on the "Mafia God Game" pedestal that you feel entitled to be on. I'm not going to cast a vote towards you right now, but geez, man, admit that you've screwed up in this game just as much as anybody else. Your game hasn't been perfect, peg. Putting any actual in-game stuff aside, I couldn't have said this better. I acknowledge you as a hell of a player, but christ, this "I'm a perfect player and everything I do is for a reason so just accept it" elitist crap has got to end. You say it's just a "persona", but I think that's BS and it's how you are when you play these games. If this is what I have to deal with whenever I participate any future mafia games with you, Peg, then I'm going to avoid them as I want no part in them.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 13, 2013 19:58:01 GMT -5
Voting: The Shareholder They Call Asher (2): pegasuswarrior, Produceman Produceman (1): The Shareholder They Call Asher pegasuswarrior (1): BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Orange Yami Redgrave
Day Phase 8 ends on Friday at 10:00 P.M CENTRAL TIME. 4 votes are needed for a lynch.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 20:06:27 GMT -5
Eh, I don't take it personally. I've taken nothing personally all game.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 20:19:21 GMT -5
[[[#293 - PW thinks Produceman “doth protest too much” for his vote for Lodi]]] Produceman asked why Lodi. My reply was “Methinks he doth protest too much.” THAT WAS A REMARK AGAINST LODI. Learn to read, dude.
[[[#441 - Lodi suggests “inspecting the bandwagon” of RKTaker voters ]]] I’m glad it took you this long to figure that out. That’s the first thing the red flagged LodiRulz once again for me in Day 2. Later, it was a vague link I made to Zack Morris, which made sense. Again, good job on being about 6 day phases behind the curve.
[[[PW first points out he voted for Lodi, not RKTaker; Interestingly, he’s rather inactive at this juncture in the game]]] Same way I’ve played every single Mafia game I’ve ever played. Wait for botches and get active right before feeling the hammer is about to drop during a night kill. I played that way up through Day 3. When I realized Town was going to d*** around and not lynch to get answers, I became the role I was given and rode it out to where we are now so I could actually bail your rear ends out.
[[[#50 - PW is confused to how people know that Asher was Night-targeted as based on the writeup.]]] Pet peeve. Everyone tries to win the game by reading and mulling over night phrase write-ups. I read them for flavor and nothing more. Every game we play, people try to “win the game” by being good night phase readers. It’s a pet peeve. What fun is the game if the mod just tells you everything you need to know straight up. In short, I barely read the write-ups for anything other than flavor. And I’ll be honest: I can’t even tell you if my character has been mentioned in a write-up—that’s how little I pay attention to that part of the game. God’s honest truth. I’m a lot more interest in how people try to spin write-ups to their advantage. That’s a whole lot more scummier to me.
[[[#98 - PW votes for Orange; “Time is ticking”]]] Again, pet peeve. Everyone sits on their arse in these games and expects miracles. Then we crazy vote and nothing gets accomplished. Most times, it’s a no lynch and we’re left with our sacks dangling. I hate no lynches.
[[[#259 - PW responds to Yami by saying that a [scumseeker doesn’t reveal their motives to their targets]]] Nope. And I’ve got a pretty good track record with that strategy. Of course, if you’d played with me before, you’d know this. “Oh no, he didn’t!” Yes, he did. I have gotten to the part where you downplay the “bait and switch” play tactics I use in ALL Mafia games. Did I say downplay? I meant to say ignore “the bait and switch play tactics I use” explanation.
[[[#269 - Ritt agrees with PW about his suspicions towards Knailsic, but points out that PW somewhat parallels Knailsic (up to that point at least); He thinks PW infers much, but says little committal]]] Now I’m committal, correct, AND scum? One of these things is not like the other; one of these things just doesn’t belong. Bait and switch. Scum-seeker. Strategy. I can give you a definition of strategy if you’d like. That’s what kind of game this is. It’s not Deal or No Deal, which I’m sure you’re more suited for.
[[[#330 - PW “Reluctantly” votes for Daime “Can’t go no lynch”; This is past the tipping point and 2 away from the hammer]]] And thus my heel turn. Lack of faith in Town not quite a minimum at that point, but the downhill slope had begun. Go hard at SnS one last time is my only option, and let’s see if Town is completely full of ninnies or not.
[[[#309 - PW on the revelation of a Cult: “Oh freaking great” - not happy at the presence of a Cult; “My theory is simply that Cageking HAD to go.”; “The Mafia hates role/character reveals” (PW says he agrees due to spirit of the game, but still...*; Then goes into SNS, fingering him as Mafia Breathes down Yami’s neck; Has no doubt that Mafia/Scum voted for Lodi; Votes for SNS]]] I hate Cult. Makes me nervous that mismanagement of how powerful that third party is in a game can ruin said game. I like the premise of third party to mess things up a bit, but the mathematics just don’t make sense if Cult is given more privileges than limitations. And voting for SNS: yay! He voted for a Cult Leader and begged for two days for others to do the same! BoilerRoomBrawler (and others): “he must be scum since we couldn’t figure out that was the right move and he figured it out. Yep, I feel like I gotta be right, and since I didn’t think to do it first, it’s awfully suspicious anyone else in the game would be a better player than me. No one can be better than me and figure things out over me. Yep, gotta be scum that PegasusWarrior. I didn’t figure out that Lodi thing either, so yeah, screw that PegasusWarrior. Too unlikely that he’s right. He’s never pegged scum before in any of these games. Oh wait, he has? I bet he was scum in those games. Huh? He wasn’t? Oh, the game mods were just wrong. He was scum; they just didn’t even know it. That’s how slick he is as a scum player.” You all, for as much credit as you all try to give me as a scum player, it’d be nice in ONE GAME if you’d just recognize how good of a TOWN player I might actually be. Despite popular belief in most of these games, I sometimes know what the eff I’m doing. Cold and calculated is NOT just a Mafia trait. That’s how we CATCH Mafia: be just as cold and calculated as they are. I DO make mistakes, so before it gets translated into TOO much arrogance, just know that the arrogant jets are on as complete counteraction for some of the doofus mopeds that are on my same street. Prime example of being wrong: just before Jazzman’s death, I actually did think to myself that he’d be the one to play the Godfather role the way he was playing it. He turned out to be scum, but I had honestly thought he was Mafia member (even going so far as Godfather) before the night phase death. On Day Three, I went from thinking he was Vigilante to something else. Jazzman caused me the most problems in the game. He’s the one I didn’t get the correct read pinpointed on, even though he fortunately did end up being scum.
[[[#377 - PW becomes vehement on SNS being Scum all because SNS was turning the argument back at PW]]] Good job following my suspicions and voting with me, Town. Oh right, you didn’t. I’m scum and the rest of you all must be innocent, right? That’s worked out well for you.
[[[#431 - Time being of the essence, PW wants analyses of PW, Asher, Yami, SNS, Jazzman, Produce, Wolf, and Orange]]] Same tactic I’ve used before. The metacognition behind the list: PW is innocent so let’s see how that goes. Asher, SNS, and Jazzman are my suspected scum so let’s really pay most attention to that. Wolf and Produceman are innocent at this stage for me. And Orange is in there for good measure, because I legit didn’t know if he was screwing up royally as a new player or if he was trying his darndest as a member of one of the scum fraternities. Legit wasn’t sure on Orange at that point, so just wanted to see how votes would fly. Zack Morris, at this stage, is fully being baited by me. I want to know if he’s as scummy as Asher is playing at this point. And again, Asher may just be leftover cult. But I have kinda been cashing my chips in on him being a Goon for Mafia for a while now. I will admit wrong if he flips Cult Follower instead of Mafia Goon. But yes, Zack Morris is officially on the “being baited” list at this stage in my posts.
[[[#549 - Zack Morris begins to suspect PW]]] Because he’s freaking great. We’re baiting each other. Remember, heeltastic mode. I’ve got to give him and the others a reason to let me live. I’m already suspicious of him. I’ve got to be able to play my role at some point though. Thanks to the Orange roleblock that follows, the game on lockdown mode does not commence. The best combination in the game was going to be assuming my role, and it would have led DIRECTLY to Street Spartan staying alive and continuing to do his job. Us two PLUS a possible Vigilante would’ve been lethal lights out for scum. I understand Orange was fishing around with me for a while, casting votes and what not, so again, he did what he thought was right. No harm in that. But I was going to assume a little more forceful control of the game after that night phase, but I ended up having to up the bad guy routine even more to make use of what I can do in my role.
[[[#599 - PW more or less brushes off Jazzman’s analysis]]] Baiting Jazzman as well. Just didn’t get the chance to follow up like I was with Zack Morris. He was wasted before I got the chance to up end him.
[[[Thread 3, Day 5]]] Heel PegasusWarrior.
[[[#122 - Dumbfounded at SNS’s revelation of the Town Judas role]]] One of my favorite posts of the game, along with #124. As biting and satirical of a post as I’ve made in the whole game. More of an inside joke than anything, as I know no one would look into it the way it was intended. In short, I was doing my impression of you all (the Town) throughout the entire game. I still love that post.
[[[#212 - PW tells people to vote either Ritt or Hayden because they are “sure things.” Calls Cult “WAY -- TOO -- OVERPOWERED -- TO -- BEGIN -- WITH!”]]] Buying time. No possibility of being night-killed. FINALLY, let my role ability go to work for us. Heel tactics working like a charm at this point.
[[[#237 - PW: “And for our next trick” Votes for Zack Morris. Says we have this in the bag, that he deliberately alienated himself from the Town to trip up Mafia]]] See previous comment I just made.
[[[#244 - PW praises Zack Morris’s Scum game - he begins considering him for MVP. Elaborates on his “self-alienation” strategy - he’s alive because Mafia wouldn’t benefit from killing him.]]] Post #whatever this is that I’m quoting: BoilerRoomBrawler ignores this explanation.
[[[#245 - PW has newfound confidence, telling Orange his previous actions were all posturing.]]] BoilerRoomBrawler: ignores this.
[[[#266 - Zack Morris wonders where the “rookie Mafia” theory went.]]] Never truly existed. Jazzman’s theory. Bait and switch. I went along with it. Who else did? Zack Morris. BUSTED!
[[[#374 - Yami post convinces PW to vote for Hayden again.]]] BEFORE that entire day phase, I was really pleading with myself over the fact that Hayden’s erratic gameplay was scummy. I NEEDED Hayden to go Godfather so I could lock down this game. Midway through that day phase (see also the UNVOTE), I got that read on Hayden that he wasn’t Mafia at all. It was too late to push Zack Morris through on a vote. This was definitely the point in the game where I was caught out on a limb. Before that day phase, I thought Hayden and Asher as Mafia over ritt. I needed Hayden to go Godfather so badly. I knew we were screwed, but we couldn’t have a no lynch, and I knew I could confirm Asher that night. At that exact moment, I wished I had pressured Zack Morris much harder, but I needed to live one—more—night so I could get back to you all on Asher and lead this thing to two sure things. Thank GOSH for the Vigilante nightkill. I still say it: that was the MVP move right there. It gave us a chance not to eff this thing up once and for all. Now we have Asher dead in his tracks, and BoilerRoomBrawler is trying to bone us.
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Now, as far as the perfect player nonsense, I've got a whole list of outside-of-game reference point I can use to show you my line of thinking this whole game. Orange, your last post is so frustrating because you still REFUSE to read the bait and switch references I've made. I. WAS. PLAYING. YOU. I was being an a-hole because IT'S MY ROLE. It wasn't real. It wasn't me being a perfect player. Initially thought Jazzman was Godfather after ruling out possibility of him being Town Vigilante. My next bank on Godfather was Hayden until midway through the day we started to lynch him. It's not about being right all the time. But jeez, admit to being left in the game as Townies at this point simply because you're either not playing well or you're controversial enough to keep around. For two of you in particular, it's because of the first reason. If you're given a super duper power role in a future game, I hope you keep in mind the same strategy because the Town will need you. I"m not left in the game because I'm perfect. I'm left here because I've thrown ritt under the bus AND Orange AND JoNo and now BoilerRoomBrawler. But here's the thing, after Asher, I cannot pin down the Godfather. Your so-called perfect player mentality theory? Well, that's shot to Hades because it's either Wolf Hurricane, Yami Redgrave, or Produceman, I thought. I'm not so sure that BoilerRoomBrawler is now exempt, but I'm banking everything that he is, which means I'm wrong entirely if he flips bad guy and I cost us the game for not figuring it out earlier. Just straight up, my thought is that it HAS to be Wolf Hurricane, Yami Redgrave, or Produceman. I don't know who it is. I want Asher lynched and out of the way as a sure thing so Vigilante can cut three choices down to two.
But BoilerRoomBrawler, I assure you that you've wrecked this game by leading the lynch mob my way. You and Orange (who hasn't voted for me yet) are Town votes, and then Asher (scum) and the Godfather win the game as soon as they seal the deal on my lynch. It's not being a perfect player that made me as valuable as I am. It's my role. We had two sure things (Zack Morris and Asher), and as much as you'd gain from reading my bait and switch explanations from previous Day Phases AND the follow-ups I did to your quotes up above, I doubt you will.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 20:31:10 GMT -5
One EDIT:
I said I "KNEW I could confirm Asher that night." That's not entirely true. I needed Asher to be Goon if Zack Morris wasn't. But on the flipside, my nervousness was that Asher--scum as scummy ever dared be--might be Godfather, which would then negate my night phase role. So, I can't pass it off as if I KNEW Asher could be confirmed scum that night, but he WAS going to be my target--and he was--and the fact that he's NOT Godfather PLUS the Vigilante being the Town all-star at this point is the reason we're still in the game. Lucky for me (not good gamesmanship, just LUCKY) that Asher was not the Godfather.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 20:42:29 GMT -5
two of your confirmed Mafia were townies. And that's the exact inability to read my posts from you that I'm referring to, Orange. I can't spell it out for you outside of a role reveal. But I have got to believe that you can read and see clear as day what those two posturing moments were about--ritt moreso than Hayden. I've already explained that. You MUST read it for yourself. They were not "confirmed Mafia." Zack Morris and Asher ARE. I HAD to buy time to be able to do my job. Your inadvertent block of a fellow Townie prevented me from playing a nice guy role. I'm not mad about it. I had to do what it took to survive. ritt dying was a necessary evil. I had to hide. I don't have to anymore. Night role. See also stalling. See also heel tactics. See also throwing you under the bus as the same necessary evil as what I did with ritt (and to a degree, Hayden).
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