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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 20:44:05 GMT -5
Now that I know I'll be able to stick around until the deadline (no emergency trip to Philly, at least not yet I think), I don't have to throw in an early vote. And that is good news. Sincerely.
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Post by Orange on Mar 13, 2013 20:53:14 GMT -5
two of your confirmed Mafia were townies. And that's the exact inability to read my posts from you that I'm referring to, Orange. I can't spell it out for you outside of a role reveal. But I have got to believe that you can read and see clear as day what those two posturing moments were about--ritt moreso than Hayden. I've already explained that. You MUST read it for yourself. They were not "confirmed Mafia." Zack Morris and Asher ARE. I HAD to buy time to be able to do my job. Your inadvertent block of a fellow Townie prevented me from playing a nice guy role. I'm not mad about it. I had to do what it took to survive. ritt dying was a necessary evil. I had to hide. I don't have to anymore. Night role. See also stalling. See also heel tactics. See also throwing you under the bus as the same necessary evil as what I did with ritt (and to a degree, Hayden). Okay, that's fine if it was part of your role, but I'm just going off your language here. Spiked Mohican and ritt are Mafia. That's pretty much a given for me at this point. And it should be for the rest of us. Pretty much a given for you that ritt and Hayden were Mafia, and it should be for everybody else, as well. That sounds really damn close to 'confirmed' to me. Again, I'm just going off the way you worded your post. Nothing more - nothing less. However, your last sentence there confuses me. See also throwing you under the bus as the same necessary evil as what I did with ritt (and to a degree, Hayden) So, if I'm reading this right, you KNOWINGLY led the crusade to vote two townies out, late in the game, as a "necessary evil" to help yourself? PLEASE tell me I'm reading that wrong. Please?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 20:58:20 GMT -5
See also throwing you under the bus as the same necessary evil as what I did with ritt (and to a degree, Hayden) So, if I'm reading this right, you KNOWINGLY led the crusade to vote two townies out, late in the game, as a "necessary evil" to help yourself? PLEASE tell me I'm reading that wrong. Please?[/quote] You're not reading it wrong. You just have to wait for the end-game reveal, as I won't roleclaim. The Hayden thing was the riskiest, and I said I NEEDED him to go Mafia. Midway through the day, things started going wrong. I got the Town vibe. I couldn't get a Zack Morris vote. I did not win us this game. The Vigilante who believed me; that's your game winner.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 21:05:44 GMT -5
And here's where I say the vote to lynch me doesn't have a failsafe. I feel like Mafia can hit the Vigilante tonight. I mean, I have a pretty good idea who it is, so I assume Mafia does too. There ARE no rescue missions after this Day phase if Mafia targets Vigilante. I go down, that's one Town. A night-kill against the Vigilante negates any shot against Asher. At least two scum running around and 3 town. Not as great of odds as it would be if you keep Townsperson PW alive and reduce scum by one number and the odds go to 4 against 1 on the next day phase.
(This is only if there are 2 scum left. If three are left, it's automatically game over if you lynch a Townsperson.)
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Post by Orange on Mar 13, 2013 21:10:33 GMT -5
You're not reading it wrong. You just have to wait for the end-game reveal, as I won't roleclaim. The Hayden thing was the riskiest, and I said I NEEDED him to go Mafia. Midway through the day, things started going wrong. I got the Town vibe. I couldn't get a Zack Morris vote. I did not win us this game. The Vigilante who believed me; that's your game winner. I *sigh* damn it, Peg. You're asking us to have a TON of faith in you. You just told us that you knowingly lynched two townies to save yourself, but to believe you because it's part of your role and you're fighting the good fight. I'm not seeing any roles that follow that, but I'm not a Mafia expert. I just hope you understand how much faith you're asking us to put in you, and calling us stupid and misguided isn't going to help your case much. I understand if your hands are tied due to the role, but man, you're asking us to put an ungodly amount of trust into you. I just don't know.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 13, 2013 21:25:44 GMT -5
You're not reading it wrong. You just have to wait for the end-game reveal, as I won't roleclaim. The Hayden thing was the riskiest, and I said I NEEDED him to go Mafia. Midway through the day, things started going wrong. I got the Town vibe. I couldn't get a Zack Morris vote. I did not win us this game. The Vigilante who believed me; that's your game winner. I *sigh* damn it, Peg. You're asking us to have a TON of faith in you. You just told us that you knowingly lynched two townies to save yourself, but to believe you because it's part of your role and you're fighting the good fight. I'm not seeing any roles that follow that, but I'm not a Mafia expert. I just hope you understand how much faith you're asking us to put in you, and calling us stupid and misguided isn't going to help your case much. I understand if your hands are tied due to the role, but man, you're asking us to put an ungodly amount of trust into you. I just don't know. I echo these sentiments. Like I've said before, Peg, antagonizing people doesn't help the town, it hurts it because we start infighting and whenever we're not targeting scum, we're not playing smart. No one wants to feel like their being browbeat into making a decision in one direction or another, and the last thing we need, at this point in the game, is reluctance. That said, none of this suggests he's scum, at least not explicitly. For all I know, he could be; anybody could be at this point. Big question time, I want everyone's opinion on these: 1) What do you think the ratio of scum-to-town is in this game? 2) Within that scum ratio, what do you think is the sub-ratio of cult-to-scum? 3) Who are you certain, of the seven of us left, is town? What about scum? Specifically, who's mafia and who's cult? Reason being, hunting scum in general isn't enough. We don't know if there even is a cult in the game still. We do know there's a mafia in the game still and that they can win if we lynch the wrong guy; we lynch our own and they kill one of us, they win. We lynch cult and they kill one of our own, they win. Either way, we should specifically be hunting mafia.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 21:29:56 GMT -5
You're not reading it wrong. You just have to wait for the end-game reveal, as I won't roleclaim. The Hayden thing was the riskiest, and I said I NEEDED him to go Mafia. Midway through the day, things started going wrong. I got the Town vibe. I couldn't get a Zack Morris vote. I did not win us this game. The Vigilante who believed me; that's your game winner. I *sigh* damn it, Peg. You're asking us to have a TON of faith in you. You just told us that you knowingly lynched two townies to save yourself, but to believe you because it's part of your role and you're fighting the good fight. I'm not seeing any roles that follow that, but I'm not a Mafia expert. I just hope you understand how much faith you're asking us to put in you, and calling us stupid and misguided isn't going to help your case much. I understand if your hands are tied due to the role, but man, you're asking us to put an ungodly amount of trust into you. I just don't know. No, no. Completely understood. I put myself in your position and think the same thing. But the way I've put myself out there is more suicidal than anything, so that's what I'm hoping makes the most sense as to why I can't be Mafia. But yes, it is a lot of faith to put in me, but remember that my sacrificing of two Townies was so I could put a definitive stamp on Zack Morris and Asher as scum. If you want to go through the timeline of BoilerRoomBrawler that I quote and responded to, there's more on that there. On ritt's death, I nabbed Zack Morris red-handed. On Hayden's, I nabbed Asher. Vigilante trusted me and bailed us all out by following up with the nightkill. I don't have enough faith in the total number of players left to count on Vigilante surviving the night. That's why I really have to have you guys not delay on lynching a sure thing. Zack was a sure thing, but I thought I could nab one more with the time I had. In retrospect (and I've said this multiple times) I should've pushed way harder than just to say "BE SURE TO LYNCH ZACH MORRIS EVENTUALLY". I was honestly thinking 2 Mafia might've been all that's left. But if Asher's goon like I suspect, then boy, that was a huge risk I made on letting Zack Morris fly by. (Asher may be Cult remainder; I can't confirm if he's straight up Goon or Cult Follower #4. I gotta feel like scum is scum at this point though and not pull another Zack Morris risk.)
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 13, 2013 21:30:17 GMT -5
Also, kudos to Brawler for the volume of information. However, as me and others have stated, voting patterns would probably be taken as a grain of salt at this point, given Zack's voting exclusively for mafia and Lodi not voting at all and Knailsic (if you count him) voting only once. However, reposting the interactions was useful.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 21:33:49 GMT -5
UnvoteNow that I know I'll be able to stick around until the deadline (no emergency trip to Philly, at least not yet I think), I don't have to throw in an early vote. That, and I'm curious what BRB's conclusion is. I want to see if I'm not, in fact, the only one who sees what I've seen in Pegasus since Day 3. Hell, maybe he'll even shed some light on things I didn't catch the first time. I've looked over your report and it consists of things I've already known, but again, maybe I'm not seeing everything. First, I posted what I thought to be either important or peculiar posts by confirmed Mafia. Second, I posted certain sequences with nothing individually important, but the sequence is what may be important. Third, I paid primary attention to my "assignment" - PW - and secondary attention to confirmed Mafia. What have you "seen" since Day 3? I'm sure you could pick it out of my research. There's a reason I didn't insert my opinions into it. It's to be used for others too. Just as an example, and of course people can say, "I already knew that," but we'll never know unless they actually did post it earlier, let's consider Knailsic. His role depended on being lynched. Look at the very first thing I cite. Straight from his keyboard. The Mafia get to communicate (PM?). They can form a game plan from the beginning. As far asI'm concerned, Knailsic should be considered as Mafia for the whole game because his role essentially stalled the Town and served as a free sacrifice for Mafia; a true red herring. We lynched a Town Judas and thought we made progress, but I now think we didn't. Mafia benefits from that role even if by only a day. Consider that angle and imagine how it radiates to the actions of fellow Mafia. Now, what have you seen in PW? I hope I've laid out more than enough evidence for you to pick from.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 21:37:21 GMT -5
[[[2) 5 Town, Asher is Goon, and is Godfather.]]] Wolf's question number 2 is "what do you think?" and that's what I think. That's not a guarantee about Asher. It's just a reply to Wolf's survey as he stated it.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 21:37:24 GMT -5
Also, kudos to Brawler for the volume of information. However, as me and others have stated, voting patterns would probably be taken as a grain of salt at this point, given Zack's voting exclusively for mafia and Lodi not voting at all and Knailsic (if you count him) voting only once. However, reposting the interactions was useful. Zack Morris flipping Mafia changed everything. But even more importantly, he was Mafia Cop. He had 7 Days to know who was who, and remaining Mafia still know thanks to his findings. I think Zack reveals a game plan that the Mafia went over. The fact he voted for Scum; hid amongst us, shows that he might not be alone.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 21:48:21 GMT -5
I PMed Mason about the post before this one. I was hitting quote to so many people at once, that just happened.
I remember word for word what the post said. It was a rather simple reply to Wolf's survey. I have sent it to Mason for release. If I'm mod-killed, it's a whole LOT better for Town than being lynched, but for the sake of giving Mafia a fair shake, I think I'd better not be mod-killed. My reveal is going to ice them if I'm simply mod-killed, and I don't want to ruin the game like that. I'm PMing Mason my exact post so he'll make the decision to allow it to be reposted or not. I hope for the sake of the game, he doesn't mod-kill me because Mafia really does deserve a fair shake.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 21:53:02 GMT -5
If we have Cult, I see no reason to doubt we have at most 4 if SNS successfully converted a Townie every Night before hewas killed. We haven't lynched any Cult since or seen Cult die. Most worryingly, we don't even know if they reverted to Townies.
If we go by classic Mafia (9 Players - 7 Town, 2 Mafia), that's 22% of total players. The last big game was True Blood Mafia with 6 Mafia, right? That's 21% of the total players. Between those two numbers, I believe we have between 5.04 and 5.28 Mafia -> 5 Mafia in this game. That's Lodi, Zack, and in my book, Knailsic. So I think we have 2 Mafia left.
In all, that makes 4 Cult, 2 Mafia and... *gulp* 1 Town. If Cult reverted, we have a more optimistic 5 Town, 2 Mafia. Let's hope for the latter.
My vote is for PW. He and Yami seem like the best bet lynches for 11th hour information. Produceman seemed off as I read through, and I invite PW to do as I did but with Produceman. I still invite Orange to investigate me.
In the meantime, my vote is cast, so here's the next best thing I can do: FoS: Yami FoS: Produceman
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Post by Orange on Mar 13, 2013 21:55:31 GMT -5
I still invite Orange to investigate me. I definitely will when I have time. I have some stuff due for school today, so I can still participate and talk now, but I haven't the time to investigate, at the moment.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 21:58:08 GMT -5
Tell ya what though PW, if you are lynched or Night-killed and flip Town, I'll be more inclined to believe you next game we both are in. Mason has a 25 player PBS All-Stars Mafia game in the works. Hopefully it's not April Fool's Day come early.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 21:59:55 GMT -5
I remember word for word what the post said. Not true in retrospect. I struggled recalling the exact wording of the last two sentences. I noted that in the PM to Mason though.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 13, 2013 22:04:11 GMT -5
Tell ya what though PW, if you are lynched or Night-killed and flip Town, I'll be more inclined to believe you next game we both are in. Mason has a 25 player PBS All-Stars Mafia game in the works. Hopefully it's not April Fool's Day come early. Put as much effort into Asher as you did me. That's my recommendation. You went into it with notions that I *could* be Mafia. Do the same twisted "choose what to believe and not to believe" logic on him and report back to us. I can make everyone here look like Mafia if I want to. I choose to actually win though.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 22:08:39 GMT -5
Oh, and as for who[/] I think is Town, Wolf, if Cult reverted, then PW and Produce are my top Mafia candidates.
If there are 4 Cult, 2 Mafia, and 1 Town, my number one Townie nomination (besides me of course) goes to...you actually, now that I think of it. Asher - I'm still not sold on him being Scum, but he's not completely innocent to me after reading over everything. PW - Well, I think this one has been expressed just a bit. Produceman - He's a little discovered with my rolling. I already explained one of the charms of rolling a suspect up. Last time it put Knailsic under the lights. Just saying. Orange - He's my number 2 pick. Of course I'm going to say I'm Town, and if I'm Town, I have this hunch that Mason may have tossed at least one rookie into the Mafia to give the rookie Townies a break Yami - As I've said before, he's a hard read with a great defensive game. Would be worth lynching just to know where he lies.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 13, 2013 22:18:28 GMT -5
Oh, and as for who I think is Town, Wolf, if Cult reverted, then PW and Produce are my top Mafia candidates.
If there are 4 Cult, 2 Mafia, and 1 Town, my number one Townie nomination (besides me of course) goes to...you actually, now that I think of it. Asher - I'm still not sold on him being Scum, but he's not completely innocent to me after reading over everything. PW - Well, I think this one has been expressed just a bit. Produceman - He's a little concerned with my rolling. I already explained one of the charms of rolling a suspect up. Last time it put Knailsic under the lights. And now PW mocks it. Just saying. Orange - He's my number 2 pick. Of course I'm going to say I'm Town, and if I'm Town, I have this hunch that Mason may have tossed at least one rookie into the Mafia to give the rookie Townies a break Yami - As I've said before, he's a hard read with a great defensive game. Would be worth lynching just to know where he lies.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 13, 2013 22:33:02 GMT -5
Here is the repost. Pegasus is fine.....but do not let such thing happen again. It is really not that big of a deal but if it happened again...that would be suspicious.
Sorry, this is the week before spring break. I have a paper for my Film 200 class (I am doing a scene analysis on Kubrick's Paths of Glory....the last scene) a midterm for Film 380, a BIO 100 midterm (I hate science) an English rough draft I am working on studying a comic book fan subculture and a SOC 100 midterm. I am freshman at KU, if you are wondering. Majoring in Film and Media Studies and minoring in business.
After Friday....I will be more active on this.
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