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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 25, 2014 20:17:25 GMT -5
So it seems it was a work. So the worst version of the Pillman worked shoot Person at the show f*** and I had such high hopes for Elgin, I'm glad I didn't buy his Highspots shoot...well back to the midcard then. |
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Oct 25, 2014 20:18:28 GMT -5
Why are companies still running the worked shoot angle nowadays? Can't that die out with the rest of the lazy mid-90s booking tactics?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 25, 2014 20:20:15 GMT -5
That sounds like a lame attempt to pump life into a guy the company had high hopes for after he lost all momentum
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 25, 2014 20:31:07 GMT -5
Why are companies still running the worked shoot angle nowadays? Can't that die out with the rest of the lazy mid-90s booking tactics? I think they were trying to recreate the Kevin Steen angle because it worked so well, but here Elgin doesn't have Steen charisma or a villain (albeit unintentionally) like Cornette. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:33:01 GMT -5
Why are companies still running the worked shoot angle nowadays? Can't that die out with the rest of the lazy mid-90s booking tactics? I think they were trying to recreate the Kevin Steen angle because it worked so well, but here Elgin doesn't have Steen charisma or a villain (albeit unintentionally) like Cornette. or 1/3000 the talent that Steen or Cornette possess. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 25, 2014 20:33:49 GMT -5
Why are companies still running the worked shoot angle nowadays? Can't that die out with the rest of the lazy mid-90s booking tactics? I think they were trying to recreate the Kevin Steen angle because it worked so well, but here Elgin doesn't have Steen charisma or a villain (albeit unintentionally) like Cornette. Well Steen also just said what he was feeling at the time. If this ended up being a work it was stupid because Elgin's reasoning didn't make sense. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 25, 2014 20:42:14 GMT -5
I think they were trying to recreate the Kevin Steen angle because it worked so well, but here Elgin doesn't have Steen charisma or a villain (albeit unintentionally) like Cornette. or 1/3000 the talent that Steen or Cornette possess. Also the intelligence, I mean Steen without a major company behind him ended up having a shit ton of followers, f*** it he even got noticed by The Rock. He hustled a lot, Elgin don't, on most of his interviews outside of wrestling he's simply boring, he has less than ten thousand followers, compare that with Cole's or Jay Briscoe's twitters. I think he has like a kid mentality regarding treating wrestling as a business, I don't know he strikes me as Tony Atlas's level of stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 23:07:02 GMT -5
If this is actually a work (there's me being cute still saying if) that's really disappointing the way they're doing this, they usually do a better job with worked shoots.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 25, 2014 23:16:20 GMT -5
results from "Reloaded Tour: Florida" tv tapings (via PWInsider): {Spoiler}Episode 1:
1. Cedric Alexander beat Tommaso Ciampa. Ciampa originally won the match, but the ref reversed the decision after being informed of Ciampa's cheating by Nigel McGuinness. Post match Ciampa attacked Alexander with a steel chair, ending it by giving him a brainbuster on it.
2. RD Evans & Moose beat Evans & Chase
- Michael Elgin came out for an interview with Kevin Kelly, but got frustrated after a few minutes and left.
3. Briscoe Brothers (Jay & Mark Briscoe) beat The Kingdom (Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/ Maria Kanellis) after a Jay Driller on Taven. Post match Adam Cole came out to the ring, but was attacked by the Briscoes. The Kingdom got the upper hand after Maria shoved Mark of the turnbuckle through a table, with the rest of The Kingdom beat down Jay.
Episode 2:
4. Caprice Coleman, Tadarius Thomas & Will Ferrara beat The Decade (Roderick Strong & BJ Whitmer) & Adam Page when Page's interference backfired and Coleman pinned Strong. Post match Whitmer tried to separate Strong and Page. Page hit Strong, who then fought off Page and Whitmer.
- Raymond Rowe came out for an interview with Kevin Kelly. Rowe thanked the fans for their support and vows to come back.
- BJ Whitmer & Adam Page came out, and Whitmer makes a challenge to Roderick Strong to face Adam Page at "Final Battle 2014"
5. Jay Lethal (w/Truth Martini) (c) beat ACH to retain the ROH World Television Championship after a Cradle DDT. Matt Sydal was on commentary and post match got into the ring with The House of Truth when they stood over ACH. HOT teased Sydal joining, but he wouldn't shake their hands.
Episode 3:
- Michael Bennett & Maria Kanellis come out an issue an open challenge for the "Real World Championship" "ICONIC Championship" "Title of Love". The Romantic Touch comes out and accepts the challenge.
6. Michael Bennett (w/Maria Kanellis) "(c)" beat The Romantic Touch" after a Twist of Fate to retain the "Title of Love"
- Caprice Coleman comes out for his match against Michael Elgin, but Elgin refuses to wrestle. Elgin lays down to allow Coleman to pin him, but Coleman doesn't. ROH officials and security come out to talk to Elgin, who walks off to the back.
7. AJ Styles beat Hanson with the Styles Clash. Post match Styles put over Hanson, then talked about how great 2014 has been for him and that he will win the ROH World Championship in 2015.
Episode 4:
8. QT Marshall beat Cheeseburger after a Dominator. Post match, Marshall talks about how he's not booked for "Final Battle 2014", but then Jay Briscoe came out.
9. Jay Briscoe beat QT Marshall after a Jay Driller
10. Adam Page (w/BJ Whitmer) beat Aaron Solow after the Fade to Black. Post match Page talks about his match with Roderick Strong at "Final Battle 2014", but Strong comes out and chases off Page and Whitmer.
11. Adam Cole beat Matt Sydal with the Florida Keys. Post match Jay Lethal, who was on commentary, attacked Sydal. Jay Briscoe ran out and attacked Cole, followed shortly thereafter by Tommaso Ciampa running out and attack Jay Briscoe. |
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Post by froggyfrog on Oct 25, 2014 23:33:35 GMT -5
This Elgin angle is lame af
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 0:34:57 GMT -5
I'd have even been alright with them putting him back with Truth Martini. The plus side anyways is once Raymond Rowe is back, having War Machine take turns having matches with Elgin should be really badass.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 26, 2014 7:45:29 GMT -5
What's this, the 3rd "shoot" angle in ROH in the past 4 months? Getting to ECW levels of trying to work folks with worked shoots.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 26, 2014 8:12:06 GMT -5
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- Caprice Coleman comes out for his match against Michael Elgin, but Elgin refuses to wrestle. Elgin lays down to allow Coleman to pin him, but Coleman doesn't. ROH officials and security come out to talk to Elgin, who walks off to the back. Ok, so I'm a bit late to the party. Can someone tell me when ROH hired Vince Russo? |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 26, 2014 13:09:37 GMT -5
Only way to save the stupid angle would be to acknowledge Delirious as the booker and have him come out talking normally and Elgin shooting on him lol
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 26, 2014 15:40:33 GMT -5
What's this, the 3rd "shoot" angle in ROH in the past 4 months? Getting to ECW levels of trying to work folks with worked shoots. Really comes down to "we want these guys over and the same angle worked for Steen" to me. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 27, 2014 12:15:29 GMT -5
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Post by 543Y2J on Oct 27, 2014 15:40:21 GMT -5
Looks like such a good match!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 21:43:53 GMT -5
What's this, the 3rd "shoot" angle in ROH in the past 4 months? Getting to ECW levels of trying to work folks with worked shoots. Really comes down to "we want these guys over and the same angle worked for Steen" to me. I think it's more of an acknowledgement that they have to do something different with Elgin but just choosing the wrong path. No one would be upset if they never acknowledged Elgin's work visa troubles on screen and just moved into the next storyline. They have to know that trying to get him over like they did Steen would be futile. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 28, 2014 11:49:25 GMT -5
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Post by Talent Name on Oct 28, 2014 17:55:55 GMT -5
If those ROH figures are comparable with my Mattel figures, I am so having an intercompany war
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