|
|
Post by Fearless The Tank on Apr 8, 2013 0:49:52 GMT -5
I was there, I thought it was good. I thought it was easily better than the last two Manias.
|
|
|
|
Post by Green Arrow on Apr 8, 2013 0:49:52 GMT -5
I was there live and I have to say that these reactions are amazing me. Where I sat it seemed like the crowd was crazy hot and into everything. I don't remember hearing any "boring" chants at all. I personally thought it was probably the funnest show I've been to live. No Roof... |
|
nate5054
Hank Scorpio
Lucky to be alive in the Chris Jericho Era
Posts: 7,016
|
Post by nate5054 on Apr 8, 2013 0:54:31 GMT -5
I didn't see it so my opinion on it is probably not that great.
Here is the thing. I care very little about actual wrestling, and I freely admit it. I like the drama and theatrics of wrestling. I do admit that a quality match is fun to watch, I totally believe that it's a valuable skill and admire the hell out of those who can do it right, and I certainly don't fault people who enjoy the wrestling/working aspect of the show, but unless the match is spectacular I feel like I've seen it all.
From the results I've seen this Mania looked like it sucked. The only semi-surprising things were the Shield and Mark Henry winning cleanly. Everything else looked to be damn predictable. And the ending, ugh, they had a chance to turn Cena heel and they refuse to do it. His character is not just stale now, it's so bad that a pigeon would break its beak trying eat a piece of him. He's damn near like a petrified piece of wood.
So the fact that nothing really interested happened and that the crowd seemed to be lackluster leads me to believe it sucked bad. But again, I just read the results.
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,743 
|
Post by fw91 on Apr 8, 2013 0:56:18 GMT -5
I enjoyed it becasue I was there live, but nothing of value happened and i would probably get bored if I saw it on tv
|
|
mizerable
Fry's dog Seymour
You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
Posts: 23,475
|
Post by mizerable on Apr 8, 2013 0:57:29 GMT -5
I didn't see it so my opinion on it is probably not that great. Here is the thing. I care very little about actual wrestling, and I freely admit it. I like the drama and theatrics of wrestling. I do admit that a quality match is fun to watch, I totally believe that it's a valuable skill and admire the hell out of those who can do it right, and I certainly don't fault people who enjoy the wrestling/working aspect of the show, but unless the match is spectacular I feel like I've seen it all. From the results I've seen this Mania looked like it sucked. The only semi-surprising things were the Shield and Mark Henry winning cleanly. Everything else looked to be damn predictable. And the ending, ugh, they had a chance to turn Cena heel and they refuse to do it. His character is not just stale now, it's so bad that a pigeon would break its beak trying eat a piece of him. He's damn near like a petrified piece of wood. So the fact that nothing really interested happened and that the crowd seemed to be lackluster leads me to believe it sucked bad. But again, I just read the results. I completely agree with this. |
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,743
|
Post by fw91 on Apr 8, 2013 0:57:51 GMT -5
But things I didn't like was No America the Beautiful or backstage promos, and Swagger's jobber entrance
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,743
|
Post by fw91 on Apr 8, 2013 0:59:08 GMT -5
oh corwd wasn't lackluster at all, open air probably made it hard to hear on tv
|
|
deancubed
Don Corleone
Playing League of Legends
Posts: 1,350
|
Post by deancubed on Apr 8, 2013 1:02:13 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of the same thread, so here's what I thought of the show - if you were a casual watcher who doesn't see RAW or PPVs regularly, it was a great night. If you follow everything, it was too predictable to be 'great'. It just came down to this: All these main matches had one happy logical ending that would make sense to a CASUAL AUDIENCE that doesn't order any other PPVs all year. It should 'score' differently if you look at this from the perspective of 'this event shows off who these wrestlers are, assuming the crowd has NOT FOLLOWED ANYTHING all year'. Shield vs. Team Unity: Casual fans know who Sheamus, Big Show, and Orton are, at least enough to know that they have all had issues with each other in the past. Barely anyone knew who the Shield were, because for most of these people - Mania is the only wrestling you watch all year. So that booking made sense, and also Shield now look like legit badasses between their crowd entrance, look, and getting the victory. It's also one of the few matches that no one really has a problem with. Not a coincidence, but it's rare that the right thing to do is also what WWE regular viewers are eager to see (namely, new stars being put over strong). Ryback vs. Mark Henry: Casual fans don't know either of these guys but may recognize Henry from last year. The crowd sees both as monsters, but Ryback looks like the smaller guy. All they know from the video recaps is that they are competing to see who is stronger, and Henry holds some kind of record that Ryback would have beat if not for heel tactics. It makes sense that Ryback can't lift Henry, and that pin could happen if he tried to push himself too far. So Ryback (the smaller guy) loses and then 'suprisingly!' after the match he DOES lift Henry! Match result doesn't matter anymore and a new face (Ryback) looks like a future winner! Mission accomplished. Tag Title Match: The callback to the VERY MEMORABLE '18 seconds' fiasco was handled great, and the crowd reacted perfectly. Again, a new face (Big E) looks very competent although because he's the new face, it makes sense that he isn't so dominant he can beat a KNOWN big man like Kane. The right team won. Jericho vs Fandango: So far EVERY MATCH has introduced a new face to the casual audience, and this match does so strongest. The casual audience knows Jericho so it MAKES SENSE that he dominates the match, because having the new guy even last in the match makes him 'someone to watch out for'. The fact that he WON is even better. It was a solid, exciting match that was given more time than any other match so far at the show. So now Fandango is established. After one match he could conceivably even challenge for a title. Del Rio vs Swagger: This is the first match that had any kind of real build to it going into the show, and even still they felt the need to introduce Swagger to the audience for the many who wouldn't know who he is. All the casual people 'got it' thanks to a great Zeb speech. You all heard the 'oooooh' when Zeb listed languages when he said 'Yiddish', because it's one thing to hate people of other colours (it's on the news everyday after all) but saying that JEWS are plotting against America crossed the perfect heel line. So OF COURSE Del Rio has to win convincingly for the happy ending that makes sense. And since Del Rio needs to be the hero, he can't be so beaten down that a cash-in by Ziggler would be viable. Del Rio needs to look strong so everyone can see the quasi-racists get their comeuppance. All the other PPVs all year are about generating interest in the next RAW for ratings, and to keep things unpredictable, but this Mania should prove that Wrestlemania is the exception. It's the one that draws a casual audience, and for the few main events that get a build, the payoff needs to be the storybook happy ending. Swerving at Mania just comes off as cheap when we know that most of the people watching don't watch ANY OTHER SHOWS ALL YEAR. They will just get confused and start thinking 'wrestling is dumb and doesn't make sense'. It might have been predictable, but all the payoffs MADE SENSE. The 3 main events all had the storybook happy ending. Taker is unstoppable, HHH gets revenge on the big mean Lesnar, Cena finds redemption and respect from Rock. That's what everything has been leading to, and to expect a swerve so hard that the show becomes DISAPPOINTING WITHOUT A SWERVE, at a show completely aimed at non-regular-viewers, non-fans, is a bit naive. The WWE caters to fans all year round, with surprises and great stories on RAW and Smackdown, and the regular PPV shows. Mania is the one season where there is so much interest in the product that it has to be simplified and go by the book for the casual viewer. It might piss a lot of fans off sometimes, and I'm not saying it's a GOOD thing, especially when shows like this get so predictable to anyone that follows the show regularly (to say nothing about the smart fans who even look up spoilers and read speculation about contracts and paychecks), but it is logical. Casual fans will continue to be satisfied by this 'wrestling thing' once a year, and the rest of us get the show all to ourselves starting tomorrow. |
|
|
|
Post by xCompackx on Apr 8, 2013 1:03:09 GMT -5
I was there live and I have to say that these reactions are amazing me. Where I sat it seemed like the crowd was crazy hot and into everything. I don't remember hearing any "boring" chants at all. I personally thought it was probably the funnest show I've been to live. No Roof... |
|
nate5054
Hank Scorpio
Lucky to be alive in the Chris Jericho Era
Posts: 7,016
|
Post by nate5054 on Apr 8, 2013 1:05:27 GMT -5
oh corwd wasn't lackluster at all, open air probably made it hard to hear on tv I totally trust those that were there and therefore put no blame on the crowd. However, even if that's the case the problem is that it translates bad on tv. Maybe it's just one of those things to accept, but regardless to me a hot crowd makes a show so much better. I remember the Raw after last year's Mania to this day because of the crowd. It really can make a show memorable. And if the open air venue detracts from it, well, in my perfect world they wouldn't have it in those venues. I do wonder though why a place like Arrowhead Stadium or Mile High can sound really loud on TV and Mania can't, but I'm hardly an audio engineer. |
|
|
|
Post by celticjobber on Apr 8, 2013 1:06:57 GMT -5
It was one of the most boring and predictable Wrestlemania's in recent history. The only good thing on the show was Taker/Punk. Everything else kind of sucked.
Rock and Cena was okay, but they had a much better match last year. This one dragged in spots, and the ending was very anti-climactic.
And another downfall is that the crowd seemed dead, especially when compared to last year's raucous crowd.
Overall, I'd give the show a 4 out of 10. And that's just for Taker/Punk. You can pretty much skip the rest of the show.
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,743
|
Post by fw91 on Apr 8, 2013 1:11:42 GMT -5
i think the match quality for all of the matches were ok. Biggest gripe was nothing historic or memorable happening. I don't think anything bad happened, just nothing good or historic. This would be a great ppv imo, if the show wasn't wrestlemania
|
|
|
|
Post by thelonewolf527 on Apr 8, 2013 1:12:06 GMT -5
I was at the show tonight. I will admit there were definitely some strange timing issues that I found, which ended up hurting the last two matches. The crowd was exhausted after Undertaker/Punk so no matter what followed it, the crowd was going to be tired. Then out of nowhere, Cena just entered for the last match.
I think they should have cooled it with the Cena/Rock video packages throughout the night in order to have a buffer near the end and the show would have come off better. I still enjoyed it though with Undertaker/Punk being the best match and Rock/Cena second best.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 1:13:16 GMT -5
Trips/Lesnar and Rock/Cena both had me saying "just end already." And that really doesn't happen often with me. All the finishers/attempts/reversals in Rock/Cena were ridiculous because they weren't even creative. Just "i'mma Rock Bottom you!" "NO! I'mma AA you!!!" back and forth, f***ing terrible. They weren't god-awful matches but were way too long with drawn-out attempts at melodrama that fell flat.
Punk/Taker...surprisingly awesome. It was cool to see Taker in a normal wrestling match for a change, they were fired up and sold the feud well but there were no gimmicks and they put on a great 20 minute match that got the best crowd reactions of the night. The only thing that hurt it was the false finishes having too much to live up to from Taker's past 4 Manias.
Fandango/Jericho had a lot of energy to it and I found it an exciting match with very good psychology.
Ryback/Henry made Ryback look like crap, imo. I'm not that bothered by it because I like Mark Henry and Ryback doesn't have that much going for him. But he got dominated the whole match and lost by dropping Henry on himself. Damn.
The Shield delivered, again. Second best match on the card, a fast-paced ass-kicking kind of match where it really feels like they all want to beat the hell out of each other.
Tag-title match was short but exciting, Daniel Bryan was in hyperdrive and a lot more fired up then we usually see on TV.
Swagger/Del Rio....according to my memory, nothing happened in this match and Swagger lost.
It's not a show you sit back and say "damn! well worth $60!" If you're watching with friends it's fun, watching by yourself and posting on a message board it was probably not very fun.
|
|
|
|
Post by Todd Pettengill on Apr 8, 2013 1:17:03 GMT -5
Trips/Lesnar and Rock/Cena both had me saying "just end already." And that really doesn't happen often with me. All the finishers/attempts/reversals in Rock/Cena were ridiculous because they weren't even creative. Just "i'mma Rock Bottom you!" "NO! I'mma AA you!!!" back and forth, f***ing terrible. They weren't god-awful matches but were way too long with drawn-out attempts at melodrama that fell flat. Punk/Taker...surprisingly awesome. It was cool to see Taker in a normal wrestling match for a change, they were fired up and sold the feud well but there were no gimmicks and they put on a great 20 minute match that got the best crowd reactions of the night. The only thing that hurt it was the false finishes having too much to live up to from Taker's past 4 Manias. Fandango/Jericho had a lot of energy to it and I found it an exciting match with very good psychology. Ryback/Henry made Ryback look like crap, imo. I'm not that bothered by it because I like Mark Henry and Ryback doesn't have that much going for him. But he got dominated the whole match and lost by dropping Henry on himself. Damn. The Shield delivered, again. Second best match on the card, a fast-paced ass-kicking kind of match where it really feels like they all want to beat the hell out of each other. Tag-title match was short but exciting, Daniel Bryan was in hyperdrive and a lot more fired up then we usually see on TV. Swagger/Del Rio....according to my memory, nothing happened in this match and Swagger lost. It's not a show you sit back and say "damn! well worth $60!" If you're watching with friends it's fun, watching by yourself and posting on a message board it was probably not very fun. Just about sums me up... |
|
|
|
Post by dlg3000 on Apr 8, 2013 6:01:16 GMT -5
I am sure there are worse Wrestlemanias but this one was just meh at best.
|
|
|
|
Post by sprawl on Apr 8, 2013 6:23:52 GMT -5
Yup. It happens every year there's an outdoor WrestleMania, but no roof really kills a crowd. It's not the crowd's fault, but you'd think by now WWE would realize that it happens. Even when they have a roof TV doesn't always capture the noise. It definetely seemed a lot worse this year. The silence during HHH/Lesnar was just surreal, and it happened again for Rock/Cena. Yet they were totally audible for Taker/Punk so it has to be a mix of acoustics and genuine interest. Must be crazy for anyone who actually attended to watch the two main-events how they were shown on TV, it lacked a real atmosphere. |
|
4real
Wade Wilson
Posts: 28,699
|
Post by 4real on Apr 8, 2013 7:19:01 GMT -5
Watching in a bar the Rock vs. Cena match came off pretty well and everybody I spoke to really enjoyed it. I know I did. Much more than last years. So kind of surprised to see the reaction to it in this thread.
The other 2 big matches were pretty good. As I said in another thread I can't fault any of the talent for their performances, they just weren't given much to work with.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 7:25:49 GMT -5
Better than the last handful of WrestleManias, probably the best one since 25. $60-good? If I was there live, by far worth it. Sitting at home watching it? Eh...I only buy one PPV a year, so I guess it was worth it.
1) Rock-Cena,
2) Undertaker-Punk,
3) Del Rio-Swagger
4) Shield-"Team SmackDown"
5) Tag title match
6) Fandango-Jericho
7) Henry-Ryback
8) Diddy didn't take as long as I had expected.
9) Triple H-Lesnar
Yes, Diddy was more entertaining than Triple H & Brock Lesnar hugging it out for 20 minutes.
|
|
AdamAFL was sooooo wrong
Hank Scorpio
note to all: he's a pants-less heathen
I Survived The Impact Spoilers 7/22/15-7/30/15
Posts: 7,164
|
Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Apr 8, 2013 7:29:55 GMT -5
I was there live and I have to say that these reactions are amazing me. Where I sat it seemed like the crowd was crazy hot and into everything. I don't remember hearing any "boring" chants at all. I personally thought it was probably the funnest show I've been to live. Really?! Honestly from where I was sitting (at home in front of my TV) this was the worst 'Mania crowd I can ever remember. They were just dead for everything. It even took me out of Punk/Taker a bit because in my head I was screaming 'this is great' and then there's just silence from the crowd. Really disappointing. |
|
