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Post by Arrow on Apr 7, 2013 22:12:48 GMT -5
This is a "rate WM29 thread", assuming there isn't another one of those already. If so, then I apologize in advance. Honestly didn't see it.
I missed everything having to do with WWE in the last several weeks or so, and completely forgot WrestleMania was even on tonight. So I'm just now realizing that the big show just happened, couldn't seem to find any early reviews, and was wondering if there was anything worth checking out on the show. I'm sure Rock/Cena, Brock/HHH, and Punk/'Taker were all solid enough, but are any of them early match of the year candidates? Should I be happy that I saved myself $60 tonight?
Basically, I'm just asking for general thoughts on the pay-per-view and whether or not it was worth buying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 22:14:27 GMT -5
As someone who skipped the show, the descriptions I was seeing of Rock / Cena make me mourn the fact that it's going to be edited to hell and back because it sounds like the kind of wonderful disaster you have to see.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Apr 7, 2013 22:16:46 GMT -5
I don't think any of the matches tonight were early MOTY candidates, though Punk/Taker was pretty good. This is just my opinion, but yeah, be thrilled you saved your $60. It was just as predictable and boring and a lot of people predicted.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Apr 7, 2013 22:24:30 GMT -5
It wasn't worth $60. It was barely worth $30.
Miz/Barrett was lackluster, but that was free so it gets a pass. Had nothing going for it, really.
Shield/Orton & Friends was great, but the ending lacked logic. Orton stole Big Show's tag and cost them the match, so Show's the asshole for getting mad and punching Sheamus and Orton? Also, I was in the "Shield's going down tonight" camp as well.
Tag Title match was meh. Enjoy what I see of Big E, but this really should have been it for Bryan and Kane. Nothing special at all, though Bryan leading the crowd in YES!ing was great.
Jericho/Fandango was sloppy and honestly, I didn't care for it either. Fandango was getting destroyed for most of the match and hit moves here and there and figuratively stepped on Jericho's feet more than once.
The World Title match was bad. I was actually a fan of Swagger up to this, thinking that he had a world of potential. No real psychology to the match, just going from A to B to C straight on like an arrow. And I'm not trying to sound stereotypical or anything, but seriously? A man obsessed with stealing the show, proving a point, and he DOESN'T cash in at WrestleFreakinMania? Seriously?
Punk/Taker was brilliant. I don't know what it is about Undertaker that he can captivate a crowd after all this time, but he and Punk put on a great one. Not as good as HBK/Taker 1 or HHH/Taker from 27, but still fantastic. As I said in the thread, better wrestling match than last year. Not so much a better story, but a better match definitely.
HHH/Lesnar was awful. It was slow and uninspired, and just when it started to show signs of picking up, Triple H started just outright dominating the dragon. The Kimura should've ended it, but the sledgehammer shot and Pedigree just had to happen anyway. Would've felt the same if Lesnar won.
Tons of Funk/Rhodes Scholars DIDN'T HAPPEN.
Cena/Rock was also terrible. 25 minutes of stalling, more kicked out finishers than ANY Ring of Honor match I've ever seen, and it all felt like it was leading to SOMETHING happening. Ref bump, SOMEONE gets kicked in the nuts or Johnny Ace comes out and helps one of the two win. But, it ended clean, simple, and utterly completely dull. John Cena, the man holding the torch, just got handed a second one, and we're back to where we started before the Rock was announced to host WrestleMania 27.
It was a painful WrestleMania. Some of the matches were decent, but NOTHING happened outside of that lame-ass concert to signify that this was the WWE's biggest show of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 22:25:02 GMT -5
Best match: Del Rio vs Swagger (7/10) Runner up: Punk vs Undertaker (7/10) Worst match: Triple H vs Brock Lesnar (3/10) Runner up: Rock vs Cena (5/10) -Every other match was okay, better than average but not great- Best moment: Daniel Bryan waving to fans chanting yes post-match before leaving the ring. Given I was at 'Mania 28 it was just nice to see. Worst moment: Triple H locking in a Kimura that looked worse than Cena's facelock... -Nothing of value happened in any match, maybe Fandango's win, but it seemed so obvious that it lacked any purpose whatsoever-
The lack of anything happening of any significance really does disappoint me, there were no legendary matches, nothing that really made me care, nothing had any importance.
Title belts and "career threatening implications" are just props & unnecessary additions when they are in story arcs which are as obvious as they are terrible.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 7, 2013 22:28:20 GMT -5
It wasn't worth $60. It was barely worth $30. Miz/Barrett was lackluster, but that was free so it gets a pass. Had nothing going for it, really. Shield/Orton & Friends was great, but the ending lacked logic. Orton stole Big Show's tag and cost them the match, so Show's the asshole for getting mad and punching Sheamus and Orton? Also, I was in the "Shield's going down tonight" camp as well. Tag Title match was meh. Enjoy what I see of Big E, but this really should have been it for Bryan and Kane. Nothing special at all, though Bryan leading the crowd in YES!ing was great. Jericho/Fandango was sloppy and honestly, I didn't care for it either. Fandango was getting destroyed for most of the match and hit moves here and there and figuratively stepped on Jericho's feet more than once. The World Title match was bad. I was actually a fan of Swagger up to this, thinking that he had a world of potential. No real psychology to the match, just going from A to B to C straight on like an arrow. And I'm not trying to sound stereotypical or anything, but seriously? A man obsessed with stealing the show, proving a point, and he DOESN'T cash in at WrestleFreakinMania? Seriously? Punk/Taker was brilliant. I don't know what it is about Undertaker that he can captivate a crowd after all this time, but he and Punk put on a great one. Not as good as HBK/Taker 1 or HHH/Taker from 27, but still fantastic. As I said in the thread, better wrestling match than last year. Not so much a better story, but a better match definitely. HHH/Lesnar was awful. It was slow and uninspired, and just when it started to show signs of picking up, Triple H started just outright dominating the dragon. The Kimura should've ended it, but the sledgehammer shot and Pedigree just had to happen anyway. Would've felt the same if Lesnar won. Tons of Funk/Rhodes Scholars DIDN'T HAPPEN. Cena/Rock was also terrible. 25 minutes of stalling, more kicked out finishers than ANY Ring of Honor match I've ever seen, and it all felt like it was leading to SOMETHING happening. Ref bump, SOMEONE gets kicked in the nuts or Johnny Ace comes out and helps one of the two win. But, it ended clean, simple, and utterly completely dull. John Cena, the man holding the torch, just got handed a second one, and we're back to where we started before the Rock was announced to host WrestleMania 27. It was a painful WrestleMania. Some of the matches were decent, but NOTHING happened outside of that lame-ass concert to signify that this was the WWE's biggest show of the year. Besides that i enjoyed Jericho-Fandango(They played well with Fandango being outmatched rookie but still being able to compete and get a sneaky win he can boast,be a heel).Just short and looked like a rushed finish.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Apr 7, 2013 22:29:44 GMT -5
I forgot about Mark Henry vs. Ryback, and I can sum that up in two words. "It sucked."
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 7, 2013 22:42:33 GMT -5
I admit I'm not a regular WWE viewer, but I know what's going on in storylines.
Really, the entire show felt "off". The crowd was kind of dead, the pacing in all of the matches felt weird, and the psychology felt non-existent in a number of matches.
This seems to be a pattern: the only shows I usually see in a given year are Royal Rumble and WrestleMania (maybe one more if my cousin is ordering), and it feels like each year most WM matches are kind of flat in terms of storytelling/psychology, almost as if they're saving any really intense grudge/feud matches for Raw or future PPV's. It really detracts from the experience.
-Opening six man was fun, Shield makes a good team. -Hoss battle was pointless. Why have Ryback lose via Henry escaping his finisher...and then have Ryback hit his finisher anyway in the post-match angle? What the hell was the point? -Tag title match was OK, but I heard this was Langston's debut match. Why wait until WM for that? Seems like it would've been better and he could've been a more established threat if he was working shows before this. Dude still looked like a beast, so give him that much. Also, AJ Lee is from Union City?! My mom's from there! -Jericho vs. Fandago was sloppy, but not terrible. AWFUL booking having Jericho kick out of Fandango's finisher, though. It's the dude's FIRST match, and you have his finisher kicked out of? What the actual hell is that about? I know it's WM and people just spam their finishers from start to end, but that was absurd. -Del Rio vs. Swagger - again, not bad, but not well paced and lacking in psychology. Didn't feel like a feud blow off at all. -Punk vs. Taker was the highlight of the show, both guys played their roles wonderfully. The way they worked, it seemed like they would've been better off having multiple months to build up to the match, since they had a pretty specific story in mind for it. -Trips vs. Lesnar was unbearably plodding, and had all the hallmarks of bad Triple H matches. Dude, please just retire. -Rock vs. Cena: My brother had the line of the night during the freaking endless finisher tease exchange: "This is just awful".
So yeah, a fun show to watch since my friends and I tend to treat PPV's like Mystery Science Theater 3000 material, but if you were looking for a really good wrestling show, this wasn't really it. Again it wasn't all the fault of the guys in the ring, but everything just felt "off", and what was bad was just really bad. Punk vs. Taker is worth seeing, though; Punk really is a fantastic "I'm an irredeemable jerk" heel, and Taker more than held up his end of the bargain.
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Post by Arrow on Apr 7, 2013 22:43:22 GMT -5
I forgot about Mark Henry vs. Ryback, and I can sum that up in two words. "It sucked." From what I read, this is probably the most baffling one to me. So Ryback has been on a losing streak for a few months now. You'd think Mark Henry would be the perfect person to put him over, so that Ryback could get his big moment and then if they wanted they could have Mark Henry win on Raw or something to extend the feud. I can get the decisions behind the three big matches, and I expected them, but putting Henry over Ryback? Seriously?
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Post by Bishblast on Apr 7, 2013 22:50:57 GMT -5
I can't say I was disappointed... Rock/Cena and Punk/Taker were both better than I expected, Lesnar/HHH wasn't as good as the Summerslam match (which I have always thought was underrated) and I think really hurt Lesnar but still a fine match (again, I think I like this more than most), Fandangoo and Jericho did disappoint but it was still a good little match, The Shield match was okay, the tag match could've been really good with 3 or 4 more minutes. This is probably going to be one I buy on video just to see the Hall Of Fame, and probably only watch this once years down the road.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 7, 2013 23:40:39 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. I felt that there was a lot of actual wrestling on it, a lot of the matches were built up well. Some of the main events of the show were a bit sloppy and ridiculous (just, somebody tap to a move that broke someone's arm before, I mean, that was a big much). And Cena vs Rock had a bit of going for their finish a million times. But, at the end of Rock vs Cena, the crowd got into it, which was good. Triple H vs Lesnar was ok as well. Punk vs Taker was the match of the night by far, followed by the tag team match. All of the matches were still pretty good though, except the Ryback/Henry match which went 5 minutes too long.
I feel though there was a lot of negative going into the show so there may've been a self fulfilling prophecy for it to be bad for some people, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by Dean-o on Apr 7, 2013 23:42:52 GMT -5
Just got back from the show, thank God there wasn't any traffic heading into Connecticut.
Since this was my first WM, I had a great time. I just sat back and enjoyed the show, didn't let things bother me, including HHH winning. Every wrestling fan should definitely experience a WrestleMania at some point in their life.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 7, 2013 23:48:25 GMT -5
It was alright. I don't know if the show could have been saved with the card they were insistent on putting on. Nothing seemed like a once in a lifetime big deal like Wrestlemania should be. Does't mean they're weren't any good matches or moments, it just wasn't Wrestlemania, especially once that features The Rock, HHH, Jericho, Taker, Cena, Punk, and Lesnar. It was like going to a restaurant, ordering a very expensive meal with great ingredients, and getting a good meal: It was enjoyable, but not worth the money, and didn't taste as good as it should with the ingredients involved in the recipe.
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Post by 543Y2J on Apr 7, 2013 23:53:01 GMT -5
I applaud and appreciate the efforts of Shield, Super friends, Hell No, Ziggler Big E AJ, Jericho, Henry, especially Punk and Taker. Brock deserved better
I don't want to talk about HHH, Cena, Rock, Swagger, Del Rio, Fandango, Ryback.
Disappointed we didn't get Rhodes and Sandow in Mania when they deserved a spot after working hard all year. Kofi did very well on the pre and post show.
I would rate Punk vs Taker as the match that stole Mania without a doubt, and an early MOTY candidate.
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Post by Viva on Apr 7, 2013 23:57:12 GMT -5
I felt that the card wasn't too bad all things considered (I mean, look at the card on paper? A distinct, very distinct lack of youth. -- Aside from Fandango and The Shield (who both went over, which was nice.) It was pretty much the status quo that the WWE has seen in the last decade or so. However, there were two distinct things production wise that I felt took away from the big time feel of Wrestlemania.
1) The replay. They overused the replay so much tonight that literally nothing felt special. Nothing felt like that big time Wrestlemania move, and I feel like a large part of that was because anything that happened was immediately replayed. OH MAN LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THAT DROP KICK. WOAH CHECK IT OUT, UNDERTAKER KICKED THAT TURNBUCKLE ON ACCIDENT AND IT HURT HIM! I get that a lot of these guys are too old to keep any sort of entertaining pace, but good God. Show some discretion, production truck. It just serves to denigrate those truly big time moments.
2) The ending. I remember at the end of Wrestlemania, they would have a recap video with those huge spots. They don't do that anymore. It just ends like hey guys this is it. I'm sorry, but that takes away from the entire thing for me. What happened was important, and the least you can do is show me the important rad things I can just saw. Remind me why this kicked so much ass.
A lot of people are talking about how this just didn't feel like Wrestlemania. It didn't. They didn't do a lot of the things that make it feel bigger than any other event. They just made a grandiose stage and called it Wrestlemania. It was just any other PPV.
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Post by Green Arrow on Apr 8, 2013 0:00:31 GMT -5
with time for some reflection, yeah, it was predictable, but I still got caught up in the emotion at times. my only major dissapointment, was (as stated) the lack of a surprise.
Glad i paid my $34.95
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 8, 2013 0:01:55 GMT -5
Do Rock and Cena know a counter sequence that isn't just the Attitude Adjustment to Rock Bottom to AA to Rock Bottom? I think at one point, they forgot the rest of their moves.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 8, 2013 0:16:39 GMT -5
I was there live and I have to say that these reactions are amazing me. Where I sat it seemed like the crowd was crazy hot and into everything. I don't remember hearing any "boring" chants at all. I personally thought it was probably the funnest show I've been to live.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 8, 2013 0:22:42 GMT -5
Because my buddies cable company believes you shouldn't be able to PVR live events, missed all but the final 3 matches. I thought Punk vs. Taker was ok. No drama. Taker wins. The last two?? Awful, wretched and an offense to the eyes.
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Post by Kidneys4Free on Apr 8, 2013 0:33:26 GMT -5
Everything was just ok. Not one match would I go back & watch again. The only match that was bad to me was Ryback/Henry, I wasn't expecting much but goddamn the whole match was basically a bearhug.
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