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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 11, 2013 22:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by bob on Apr 11, 2013 23:44:16 GMT -5
it lacks The Boogeyman, IRS and The Spirit Squad
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 12, 2013 1:47:13 GMT -5
Needs more Repo Man.
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Post by Bone Daddy on Apr 12, 2013 8:10:49 GMT -5
I didn't know that thing about Fandango on O & A.
THAT'S AWESOME
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 12, 2013 11:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 11:45:58 GMT -5
Repo Man
IRS (still can't believe it was inducted)
Akeem (because I'll be damned if he didn't make it work)
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Post by Hawk Hart on Apr 12, 2013 12:09:12 GMT -5
Well then, I'm glad I spent most of this week working on basically the same column for a different site. From a wrestling journalist standpoint, I get so freaking excited for weeks like this when wrestling's just fun and I get to write about fun shit. From a writer's point of view, well what the f*** am I gonna do now?
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 12, 2013 12:59:31 GMT -5
It was certain the last name would pop up.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 12, 2013 13:20:50 GMT -5
I don't understand how Razor Ramon was a bad gimmick. The character was basically a latino drug peddler/thug, a modern day version of the mafiosi character played by various wrestlers for decades, a character that still would have worked years later in the Attitude era. If Scott Hall being caucasian makes it a bad gimmick then every ethnic/foreigner character played by someone from a different ethnic group is a bad one. I's go with IRS, a wrestling tax man is cheap heat personified, something that should have very little staying power, but Mike Rotunda played him to perfection. Shawn Michaels should also be on the list, he started out as George Michael and quickly became a male stripper, something that should never have gotten over... It didn't at first, but they kept pushing him because he was good in the ring and eventually he made it work. |
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Post by Cela on Apr 12, 2013 13:23:01 GMT -5
Taker is the very personification of this.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 12, 2013 13:36:20 GMT -5
None of these were dumb gimmicks
This wasn't either. It only became dumb when he turned face and added a mini-clown
Neither of these gimmicks were saved. Mainly because neither performer understood that the gimmicks could only work if they became serious wrestlers during the matches.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 13:48:33 GMT -5
Taker is the very personification of this. My first thought was Taker. If you give that same gimmick to any other wrestler there's a 99.999999999% chance that it tanks horribly. |
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Apr 12, 2013 14:08:54 GMT -5
Remember when IRS got inducted.Holy Shit did the board go crazy.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 12, 2013 14:39:25 GMT -5
]I don't understand how Razor Ramon was a bad gimmick. The character was basically a latino drug peddler/thug, a modern day version of the mafiosi character played by various wrestlers for decades, a character that still would have worked years later in the Attitude era. If Scott Hall being caucasian makes it a bad gimmick then every ethnic/foreigner character played by someone from a different ethnic group is a bad one. It's exactly, nakedly Scarface. It's as bad a gimmick as, well, doing an exact copy of the Joker, or having a dude basically be Beetlejuice. It's transparent in its lack of originality. So, yeah, the performance saved it. Speaking of which, no way in hell Waylon Mercy shouldn't be on here (or, come to think of it, Bray Wyatt). |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Apr 12, 2013 14:52:19 GMT -5
None of these were dumb gimmicks I think The Undertaker is about as dumb a gimmick as you can get. He's dead, he has magical powers and draws strength from an urn. The character and the portrayal is awesome but the actual idea is way beyond any suspension of disbelief. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 14:57:27 GMT -5
None of these were dumb gimmicks I think The Undertaker is about as dumb a gimmick as you can get. He's dead, he has magical powers and draws strength from an urn. The character and the portrayal is awesome but the actual idea is way beyond any suspension of disbelief. More or less, but I look at wrestling as a live action comic book so it works. That is the one thing that I want to hear Taker talk about though, what was he thinking when Vince told him that he wanted to bring him in as an old west zombie mortician? |
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 12, 2013 15:03:36 GMT -5
The magical powers element of the Undertaker came in later though. His first incarnation was just a silent monster who seemingly could not be hurt.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 12, 2013 15:32:54 GMT -5
]I don't understand how Razor Ramon was a bad gimmick. The character was basically a latino drug peddler/thug, a modern day version of the mafiosi character played by various wrestlers for decades, a character that still would have worked years later in the Attitude era. If Scott Hall being caucasian makes it a bad gimmick then every ethnic/foreigner character played by someone from a different ethnic group is a bad one. It's exactly, nakedly Scarface. It's as bad a gimmick as, well, doing an exact copy of the Joker, or having a dude basically be Beetlejuice. It's transparent in its lack of originality. So, yeah, the performance saved it. Speaking of which, no way in hell Waylon Mercy shouldn't be on here (or, come to think of it, Bray Wyatt). Most wrestling gimmicks are knockoffs of something, either pop culture or from other wrestling gimmicks, so it takes more than that to make a gimmick wrestlecrap. Even gimmicks that seem original are often copies of copies, I mean look at Sting and the Ultimate Warrior, they started life as knockoffs of the Road Warriors and the Road Warriors themselves were inspired by the look of Vernon Wells in the second mad max film... The Road Warrior. I'm more inclined to feel that a gimmick is wrestlecrappy if it's directly ripping off a recent pop culture phenomena, like Waylon Mercy ripping off Cape fear, or Joker Sting, however, Razor Ramon was done nearly a decade after Scarface. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 12, 2013 16:35:36 GMT -5
None of these were dumb gimmicks This wasn't either. It only became dumb when he turned face and added a mini-clown Neither of these gimmicks were saved. Mainly because neither performer understood that the gimmicks could only work if they became serious wrestlers during the matches. You don't see how a superhero, an Elvis Impersonator, a clown or a zombie mortician could be considered dumb gimmicks? They are absolutely dumb gimmicks on paper... the way the wrestlers portrayed them is what made them work. The magical powers element of the Undertaker came in later though. His first incarnation was just a silent monster who seemingly could not be hurt. Not really, the magic urn came in with Paul Bearer, which was only a few months after his debut. edit: February 1991, so like 3 months. |
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Post by SOR on Apr 12, 2013 17:29:41 GMT -5
Anyone could of got Doink over. He's a Wrestling Clown kids are going to love that stuff regardless of who is under the paint
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