MLP: FiM Thread 337: Cutie Marky Mark

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May 7, 2013 7:18:58 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

It just hurts because I was so involved in keeping him around after the alicorn Twilight thing. This wasn't me offering my advice, he came to me for it. And I've let him down, basically because I (unintentionally, DEFINITELY unintentionally) painted him with the same brush as the average "hater".

But like you said, that wasn't your intention. You had no idea how anyone would react to your comment. Could it have been worded better? Yes. But in terms of betrayal, I don't think that's the case.

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I can't really comment all that much since I haven't actually seen the discussion.

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My opinion on Equestria Girls is really that it represents the downturn in the franchise from the more creative side that Lauren Faust gave us, to a far more market driven, generic, and very soulless mentality that Hasbro wants from this franchise, where the show is now literally just a glorified toy commercial, and not as much a toy commercial with as many creative liberties to build its universe. Sometimes that works for the show like with Princess Cadance, and sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired like Princess Twilight.

But Equestria Girls is the first real case of being a blatant attempt to piggyback off the popularity of another toy line, that it just feels like there's no way to positively spin it. This will be the turning point for a lot of people. Those who loved the show for building its own universe with some freedom from the corporate hand will be turned off by Hasbro tweaking the show for the worse because in their eyes "Every little girl wants to be a princess. Every girl wants to be thin as a rake. Every girl should be how we think they are, and any change to that status quo is unwelcome".

It doesn't help that the show has already made it clear that the destinies and lives of Twilight's friends are now no longer important. Made crystal clear by the fact that they have no involvement in this story. Instead Twilight meets up with otherworld counterparts. It feels wrong, and just says out loud that these friends of Twilight are nothing more than just serfs for her now. Their destinies are now merely not as important, or that they need Twilight to come to their aid due to their incompetence. I can't spin a positive on this, because the show really killed any thought of them being her equals after turning her into an Alicorn

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Yeah, the bulk of it between me and RC is on Twitter and in PMs, not here.

Again, I'm sorry if I've offended any of you guys in the process of my ranting. I know Mina isn't exactly the biggest supporter of this thing at the moment either...

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

I still think there's something very uncanny valley-like about the Equestria Girls designs. It's kind of almost unsettling for me.

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I don't really watch or view anything outside of the actual show. So really, I have no idea what Equestria Girls is about other than the fact that they're in a more human like form. There's the occasional FiM pictures and fan art I look at but that's it.

But anyways, if it was unintentional then you shouldn't beat yourself up over it EoE.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

If there's a positive I can get out of them... it's that they look nowhere near as slutty as the Bratz or Monster High dolls they're apparently trying to compete with.

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Oh lord, Bratz. I remember when they had their era.

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But that may be the Achilles heel for them.

Girls will prefer to buy the far more creative Monster High dolls. Bronies will have no interest to support it, most marking it as a betrayal and an example of poor business decisions. Which, when you see how many failed Monster High knockoffs are on the market right now, that's exactly what this is. This feels like an idea that will flop, and if so, something tells me that the faith hasbro has in the MLP license will start to fade, and the franchise will suffer more for it.

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One minor thing that bugged me about Monster High and every other show on television is how they refer Frankie Stein's father as "Frankenstein" instead of "Frankenstein's Monster". I know that's off topic but I felt that it needed to be said.

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

May 7, 2013 7:45:42 GMT -5 @lynch said:

One minor thing that bugged me about Monster High and every other show on television is how they refer Frankie Stein's father as "Frankenstein" instead of "Frankenstein's Monster".

Almost nobody seems to get the fact that Frankenstein is the scientist, not the monster correct.

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May 7, 2013 7:48:24 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

May 7, 2013 7:45:42 GMT -5 @lynch said:

One minor thing that bugged me about Monster High and every other show on television is how they refer Frankie Stein's father as "Frankenstein" instead of "Frankenstein's Monster".

Almost nobody seems to get the fact that Frankenstein is the scientist, not the monster correct.

Everywhere you go, the monster is ALWAYS referred to as Frankenstein.

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[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

May 7, 2013 7:43:07 GMT -5 @fsinfan said:

But that may be the Achilles heel for them.

Girls will prefer to buy the far more creative Monster High dolls. Bronies will have no interest to support it, most marking it as a betrayal and an example of poor business decisions. Which, when you see how many failed Monster High knockoffs are on the market right now, that's exactly what this is. This feels like an idea that will flop, and if so, something tells me that the faith hasbro has in the MLP license will start to fade, and the franchise will suffer more for it.

I'm not denying that it could happen... I'm just saying that the fact that most people are saying that it will happen based on what little information we've seen is overly presumptuous at best and paranoid or even unpleasant at worst.

Now I was only speaking in the context of the television product, not the toy line, but the same thing could be applied here. Many are making the judgment that, because she gets top billing on the promo material and the bulk of the synopsis text so soon after the alicorn thing, that Twilight Sparkle is already the Triple H of pony and the others may as well just be in the background with Lyra and Bon Bon. I admit that it looks very Twilight-centric right now, but we can't really judge it until after it's aired. If it does turn out that the others may not as well have even showed up, even in human form, then I'll admit my error in judgment. And I know you guys will give me the same courtesy should that not be the case.

At the moment, my only gripe with Equestria Girls is that the plot sounds too much like the pilot for pony (Twilight Sparkle, the fish out of water in a world she doesn't know, has to reach out to strangers to help her adjust), and while that was Twilight-centric, everyone else got their shining moment too, and in the end the group stood tall together.

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May 7, 2013 7:50:07 GMT -5 @lynch said:

May 7, 2013 7:48:24 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

Almost nobody seems to get the fact that Frankenstein is the scientist, not the monster correct.

Everywhere you go, the monster is ALWAYS referred to as Frankenstein.

Besides Frankenstein being just a good name for the monster and it being easier to call him that, I view it like this:

Yes, the doctor's last name was Frankenstein, but the monster is technically a son to the doctor if you think about it. The doctor created him, at first tried to care for him...so in a sense, the monster was the son of Frankenstein. Most sons I know have the same last name as their father. Hence, the monster would be a Frankenstein.

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[GreyScaleLJH]

Meh, not a very good manestyle.

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May 7, 2013 8:40:32 GMT -5 GreyScaleLJH said:

Meh, not a very good manestyle.

Compared to this though?

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