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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 3:34:19 GMT -5
CURRENT VOTE COUNT stinger4christ #2 (1): Jonathan Michaels Has Returned Jonathan Michaels Has Returned (1): Sloth Spartan #2 NOT VOTING Artificial Human #2 (Formerly The Real Slim sMurfy) Connor Mackenzie Mr B Natural: Wyatt Guy Orange stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz The Man They Call Asher With 9 of you left, it takes 5 votes for a lynch.The deadline for a lynch is set for Friday, June 14th at 7pm.*MOD'S NOTE!* Nothing to note here. Just thought Jono had went off the deep end there for a moment.
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Post by stinger on Jun 9, 2013 8:19:27 GMT -5
I never said Notorious told me anything about JoNo. I said I had information from my old role that led me to believe that, but I was barred from stating it by Notorious because no details from my role were revealed when I died.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 9, 2013 11:16:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel like we might have gotten knowledge from Stinger that we shouldn't know.
We're in a funky situation now and we have two options in my eyes.
Ignore it and pretend that Jono is on the up and up when he most likely isn't, or use Stinger's unspecified knowledge to lynch him.
Here's my opinion:
While its wrong that we have Stinger's info when we shouldn't, from that, things can be inferred. Stinger's role was never revealed but he has reason to suspect that Jono was mafia. That leads me to believe that Stinger was a JOAT or had a role where he found out that Jono wasn't the JOAT.
Even though it shouldn't have come to light, it has, and I think it'd be foolish to ignore it. I've noted that I've been critical of Jono's roleclaim from the moment it happened, and this is enough to solidify that belief in my eyes.
Vote: Jonathan Michaels
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jun 9, 2013 16:44:45 GMT -5
Sorry it took me so long to check in. Had a somewhat busy weekend.
Okay, I don't know how to say this without coming right out and admitting it, but I'm almost certain I was the one targeted last night. Make of that what you will.
I'm not sure what to make of this thing with Stinger and Jono. I mean I can see where people are coming from, but on the other hand how exactly has Jono been able to make all these claims that seem valid?
The only reason I can see him not being the man we think he is would be that the Mafia has already killed the Jack of All Trades, one of the victims they masked using the janitor. Upon realizing that, if that's possible for them, they knew that there would be nobody to prevent them from pretending to be that role. That way Jono could basically coast through the game on that reputation alone with the town none the wiser.
Now with that said I'm not convinced of that theory, mainly because nobody has come out and claimed otherwise to contradict him. If Jono truly was playing the fake JoaT then wouldn't somebody have come out and outright said that it was they who were responsible for whatever night action he claims to have used?
Now this could be a way for him to be fishing for roles: making fake claims and exposing the true Roleblockers on the town side or what have you so they Mafia knows exactly who to target. Which if that's true it means either Jono is an expendable goon or he's playing a dangerous game.
There has to be a reason why they chose the cover up both Stinger and Zack Morris's death. If we can figure out why that is then we may be able to figure out the remaining members of the scum club.
Connor, we need an updated voting record, I think. That might just help us figure out whatever riddles remain here.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on Jun 9, 2013 17:42:40 GMT -5
Good catch, Connor. Fixed version: Day 1 BoilerRoomBrawler (11): The Shareholder Called Asher, Produceman, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz, Zack Morris is Insane, Connor Mackenzie, Sloth Spartan V1, Mr. B Natural Believes, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human, Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
, Yami RedgraveArtificial Human (3): stinger4christ, "Timeless Star" Double H, BoilerRoomBrawlerNot Voting: Wolf HurricaneOrange Stinger4christ v2 Joker"The Fresh Prince" Magiconz Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Felandria (Jono) Day 2 Current Vote Count! BoilerRoomBrawler (11): Felandria (Jono), Produceman, The Shareholder Called Asher, Brad is the Simming Master!, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, stinger4christ, Zack Morris is Insane, Joker, Sloth Spartan V1, Connor Mackenzie, Lodi "Riddler" RulzArtificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, BoilerRoomBrawlerNot Voting: Wolf HurricaneMr B Natural Believes Orange Artificial HumanStinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Day 3 Current Vote Count: Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, stinger4christYami Redgrave (10): The Shareholder Called Asher, Artificial Human, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Felandria, Wolf Hurricane, Connor Mackenzie, “The Fresh Prince” Magiconz, Orange, JokerNot Voting: Mr B Natural Believes Sloth SpartanStinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Day 4 Joker (10): Orange, Connor Mackenzie, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, Produceman, Mr B Natural Believes, stinger4christ, Felandria, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, Artificial Human v2 Yami Redgrave (2): The Shareholder Called Asher, JokerNot Voting Brad is the Simming Master!Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
Sloth Spartan v2 Day 5 Wolf Hurricane (8): Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human v2, Orange, Connor Mackenzie, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Shareholder Called AsherNot Voting 1. Wolf Hurricane2. Mr B Natural Believes Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
11. Sloth Spartan v2 13. Felandria (Jono) And also a good catch B/Connor on the voting trend. We've seen games in the past where a mafia will just piggyback on a town member. Throwing in my two cents: I'm leaning town on Produce due to him also catching that Yami was the cop a full day phase before Yami pretty much revealed himself. That was his "I see what Spartan saw" post before he quickly turned face on his suspicion of Yami. I saw that as using new evidence to see someone in a different light and came off very town-like in my books. Brad, I hadn't been leaning either direction. Alright, so I've updated Sloth's colouring as per these latest results and this is the results from this past day as far as voting (officially as per Notorious noting that Orange didn't unvote before switching votes). If I messed anything up please let me know and I can fix it accordingly. Current Vote Count: Strong Brad (7): Produceman, Artificial Human #2, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Man They Call Asher, Connor Mackenzie, Felandria, Mr. B Natural: Dolphan Again "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz (1): Orange Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) Strong BradYami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
So, at this point I suspect we have 1 or 2 mafia left and while it was great to hit another mafia with our vote it's been made bittersweet with the loss of Produce who was one of our more active posters. Let's not let the loss of him be a turning point for the mafia to try and re-establish themselves. CURRENT VOTE COUNT "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz (2): Mr B Natural: Wyatt Guy, Artificial Human #2 NOT VOTING Connor Mackenzie Jonathan Michaels Has Returned Orange Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz The Man They Call AsherYami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
Here we go Mr. B. If I have left anything out please let me know as I want to have this as complete and comprehensive as possible to ensure we have the best info to go on. As you can see we have a lot of unknown left in the game. With that being said, given the level of activity and so little to go on I do have a confession to make. I do have a role. I cannot divulge more then that, and as much as it pains me to leave it so open to suspicion and subterfuge I think at this point it has to be said if we have any sort of a chance of a town win. Whether you decide I am telling the truth or not is what it comes down to but if it means, and I hope, that we can focus our attention on narrowing down who is left of mafia and try and get this game finished with a town win.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 9, 2013 21:02:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel like we might have gotten knowledge from Stinger that we shouldn't know. We're in a funky situation now and we have two options in my eyes. Ignore it and pretend that Jono is on the up and up when he most likely isn't, or use Stinger's unspecified knowledge to lynch him. Here's my opinion: While its wrong that we have Stinger's info when we shouldn't, from that, things can be inferred. Stinger's role was never revealed but he has reason to suspect that Jono was mafia. That leads me to believe that Stinger was a JOAT or had a role where he found out that Jono wasn't the JOAT. Even though it shouldn't have come to light, it has, and I think it'd be foolish to ignore it. I've noted that I've been critical of Jono's roleclaim from the moment it happened, and this is enough to solidify that belief in my eyes. Vote: Jonathan MichaelsAnd now I have a decision to make. Clearly at minimum one of the two of you are scum. It's possible you both are. The bottom line is this, Stinger is a replacement, he took someone else's role, what better way for a mafia member to ingratiate the self than to indicate that they have information from their first role that "proves" something. But you have no proof. Because there isn't any. I am clean as a whistle, for once in this game and people are still using my sensitivity about nobody ever believing me to undermine me. Well, here we go. I DARE you to lynch me. Go ahead, prove me right, lynch me and vindicate me. Let me GLOAT. Let me rub it in your faces that I was RIGHT and you were WRONG. Or listen to the guy who stuck his neck out to kill the first scum and investigate these two troublemakers.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 9, 2013 21:32:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel like we might have gotten knowledge from Stinger that we shouldn't know. We're in a funky situation now and we have two options in my eyes. Ignore it and pretend that Jono is on the up and up when he most likely isn't, or use Stinger's unspecified knowledge to lynch him. Here's my opinion: While its wrong that we have Stinger's info when we shouldn't, from that, things can be inferred. Stinger's role was never revealed but he has reason to suspect that Jono was mafia. That leads me to believe that Stinger was a JOAT or had a role where he found out that Jono wasn't the JOAT. Even though it shouldn't have come to light, it has, and I think it'd be foolish to ignore it. I've noted that I've been critical of Jono's roleclaim from the moment it happened, and this is enough to solidify that belief in my eyes. Vote: Jonathan MichaelsAnd now I have a decision to make. Clearly at minimum one of the two of you are scum. It's possible you both are. The bottom line is this, Stinger is a replacement, he took someone else's role, what better way for a mafia member to ingratiate the self than to indicate that they have information from their first role that "proves" something. But you have no proof. Because there isn't any. I am clean as a whistle, for once in this game and people are still using my sensitivity about nobody ever believing me to undermine me. Well, here we go. I DARE you to lynch me. Go ahead, prove me right, lynch me and vindicate me. Let me GLOAT. Let me rub it in your faces that I was RIGHT and you were WRONG. Or listen to the guy who stuck his neck out to kill the first scum and investigate these two troublemakers. Honestly Jono, if we lynch you and we're wrong, go for it. I'm not going to let the fear of "Jono mocking me for being wrong" stop me from making what I view as the right decision. Here's my argument: Stinger4Christ had nothing to gain by admitting his fear over Jono. As far as I know, he wasn't very high on anyone's suspicion list. I said that I was a bit uneasy on him, but still, there was no reason for him to thrust himself into the spotlight when he could've been hiding in the ridiculous amounts of inactivity plaguing this game. There are 2, maybe 3, mafia left. This would not be the time to make yourself very noticeable, especially after we went a full day phase with practically no discussion and only two votes. But no, Stinger didn't do that. He stood up, tiptoed the line of what he could/couldn't say and brought up that something wasn't right about Jono's claim. I've been saying that for a while, and insisting that we didn't have proof other than his word, and we don't. Seriously, someone point out where we can verify anything he said without needing to use him as a source. As far as I know, we can't. While we can't probe Stinger for more information, I believe this is our first real evidence/hunch in several day phases. Jonathan thinks I'm mafia, well given that I haven't been of much help to town so far, I'll be it now. If Jonathan Michaels comes up as a townie, you can lynch me in response because I was wrong. The proof against Jono: Stinger's role was never revealed due to the mafia janitor's shenanigans, Stinger sees a problem in Jono's unsubstantiated claim (which was him suddenly leading a charge for a vote that he didn't even bother to join the day phase before) that he can't expand on due to it being related to his previous role. Just because he can't say it doesn't mean we have to turn a blind eye. There's a problem here, and whether you think its on Jono's end or Stinger or Me, I don't see why Stinger would suddenly thrust himself onto everyone's radar if he was mafia. I definitely think this is an avenue worth exploring. Worst case scenario, we can afford this mislynch, especially with no one dying this last day/night phase except for inactive Yami. And Jono gets to GLOAT to me for trying to take a proactive stance and help town and getting it wrong. Best case, we take out a huge threat in a mafia member that was incorrectly labeled "most likely townie" just a few day phases ago.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 9, 2013 21:35:04 GMT -5
EBWOP: Also, we're not out of the woods yet. Don't really think we should be role claiming unless you think it can be beneficial to lynching a mafia member, and that is only if you're 100% certain. We're getting to the endgame and any power role we can keep hidden/alive is a great benefit.
Let's please not throw that advantage away.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 9, 2013 21:49:34 GMT -5
Second EBWOP: My post seems more attacking than it really needed to be. Sorry Jono. I still stand by what I believe and think you're mafia, but my post came off a bit pompous/aggressive with how I said some things. I was just trying to get across that I'm not afraid to be wrong, and I'm not going to be intimidated by someone saying they're going to rub a wrong decision in my face.
Its mafia. Sometimes you hit big, sometimes you swing and miss. But I think it'd be foolish for me (or anyone for that matter) to regret taking a chance to try to help town, whether right or wrong.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 9, 2013 22:01:56 GMT -5
I have questions for a few still left in the game. Sorry I can't tag anyone but when I try, it says that the server there is down.
1. The first question goes to Sloth Spartan: You said that it was wrong that we received "Too much information" from Stinger, yet all he did was claim that he had a role where he received information that might put Jono's roleclaim in question. To me, that doesn't seem like a lot of information that would make give anyone in this game an unfair advantage because it's not a guarantee that he's being entirely truthful. Did I miss something in that regard?
2. The second goes to Stinger: Can you reveal anything other than what you have? Even if it's the smallest hint.
3. The third question goes to Orange: Do you still stand by your votes of Magiconz or have you seen something that may change your mind?
4. To B Natural: Do you stand with your vote on Magiconz as well or has the recent developments changed your mind?
5. To Magiconz: Your two suspects have been both Orange(for dragging his feet on voting for Brad) and Sloth for his lack of votes so far in the game. Where are you leaning right now? Between those two still?
6. To Jono: Other than being suspicious of you, is there any other reason why you are suspicious of Stinger and Sloth?
7. This goes for everyone in the game: Does anyone have any questions for me? I'm asking all the questions but I have no issue answering any either.
Right now, I don't think there is a better case against anyone but what's been put against Magiconz. For those that don't know, I'm referring to the one Orange made against him a couple of days ago. I said that during the last day phase and I'll say that here. However, with all the shots that have been fired in this day phase so far I'd like to know if anyone can make a really good case against someone else. The other suspicions and cases right now are a bit flimsy in my opinion for a lot of the reasons I've stated above. If anyone can get a better case than the one against Magiconz, I'd really like to hear it. There's no doubt in my mind that we are in the end game here. The mafia has lost their roleblocker, their framer, and their janitor. That leaves, to me, just the Godfather and maybe one goon. We need to lay everything out there on the table so that we can make the most educated choices possible.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 9, 2013 22:48:13 GMT -5
1. The first question goes to Sloth Spartan: You said that it was wrong that we received "Too much information" from Stinger, yet all he did was claim that he had a role where he received information that might put Jono's roleclaim in question. To me, that doesn't seem like a lot of information that would make give anyone in this game an unfair advantage because it's not a guarantee that he's being entirely truthful. Did I miss something in that regard? Well... the problem isn't whether he is lying or not, the problem is that we have gotten any sort of guide from his previous role. Any information we receive which we wouldn't if he hadn't replaced Cageking/Double H is technically information that we shouldn't have, that should have died with him. I feel bad for the mafia in the way that if their plan hinged on having Stinger gone and building a fake role claim around his hidden role, they've been dealt a rough hand in this reveal. But the info is out, and like I said earlier we have two options.A) Ignore it, which is the more fair option, but also not realistic in the way that it is like Santa. Once its out, its out and you can't go back to when it was different. There is no pretending after you realize the truth. B) Use that knowledge to make a guided inference. Stinger has a suspicion on Jono's roleclaim that he can't expand on. Whether right or wrong, its an important avenue to examine and when its coming from a person who had no reason to put himself in more of a spotlight (as opposed to someone with their back against the wall, desperate for another person to join them), it makes me evaluate it as a more truthful statement. It could be a lie, but I don't see the reasoning behind that. Why lie, when its just going to draw attention to him? If Jono flips town, Stinger and I (for agreeing with him and really trying to spur this lynch) look much worse. I just don't see mafia going for that, given how few in numbers they have left. It's unnecessary suspicion when I suspect mafia are more on their toes and trying to hide than ever. I believe, again this is purely my guess, that Stinger was the JOAT. Stinger would assume that there is only one JOAT in the game, so therefore, Jono is lying. That's not the only possibility of where the suspicion could come from, but the suspicion is there and that already is more than we're supposed to know. But like I said, the info is out there, and it would be extremely foolish for town not to take advantage of it.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Jun 10, 2013 0:25:23 GMT -5
This Jono/Stinger saga is pretty interesting. I see two possibilities:
- Stinger inherited a Mafia role and Jono is telling the truth. Stinger is attempting to throw suspicion onto Jono by challenging his roleclaim and claiming he cannot reveal the exact reasons why.
- Jono being an experienced and skilled played has hatched a masterful plan in which he kills the JOAT, cleans up the mess and claims to be the JOAT thus ensuring smooth sailing to the endgame. At least that's how it was supposed to play out before Stinger came back into the fray.
I'm gonna think this over for a bit and get back to you with a vote.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 10, 2013 1:41:56 GMT -5
I have questions for a few still left in the game. Sorry I can't tag anyone but when I try, it says that the server there is down. 6. To Jono: Other than being suspicious of you, is there any other reason why you are suspicious of Stinger and Sloth? Regarding my question. Look at the voting record. It's right up there and from what I see, neither one of them has voted since day two. Suddenly, they're coming after me, apparently nobody has been scummy enough to earn a vote from them. Until now. Honestly? Look, there's one other thing I notice, we've lynched three Mafia members. Guess who voted for all three of them? Magiconz. The guy we're most suspicious of. Seems odd that we're ignoring that.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jun 10, 2013 1:45:03 GMT -5
4. To B Natural: Do you stand with your vote on Magiconz as well or has the recent developments changed your mind? 7. This goes for everyone in the game: Does anyone have any questions for me? I'm asking all the questions but I have no issue answering any either. I'll admit that I'm still very wary about Magiconz right now, but this latest information that's come to light has made my decision alot tougher. Both Jono and Stinger could be lying or telling the truth. And if we pick wrong than it could make victory that more difficult. Especially if we start lose our confirmed townies to muddle things further. Right now I could go either way. If people are that convinced about Stinger or Jono I'd be willing to hold off on Magiconz. But I don't want us to forget about him due to these new developments. The way I see it all three of them seem like people worthy of investigation. Aside from them it would be you, Sloth, and Connor. And for now I'd rather we focus on the others before we branch out too far. As for questions for you, well let me see. Let's consider the three suspects: Jono, Stinger, and Magiconz. Who among them do you consider the most likely to be scum and the one most likely to be a townie? Also what is your reasoning behind both choices? In fact let me pose this question to everyone here, minus Magiconz, Stinger, and Jono of course. Instead to them I ask who of the remaining two they think is scummier and why. I'll answer as well when I've had some time to think about my own responses.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 10, 2013 3:53:36 GMT -5
That's an easy answer for me at this point. No one has yet to contradict anything Jono has claimed so far so he's the most town right now at the moment. If anyone does contradict some of his role actions than please, come forward and say so. At this point in the game, all thoughts and theories should be put to typing. However, if anyone did want to contradict Jono, I would have thought they would have done it by now. If someone was taking credit for something that my role did, I'd be throwing the bullshit flag and screaming bloody murder immediately after they did so. I'll look back and see if anything sticks out to me but nothing really stands out right now. He does bring up a good point that two guys who haven't voted in a while now all of a sudden are going right for him.
As far as Stinger and Magiconz, I know Magiconz has voted for all three mafia but that's not to say that wasn't the plan all along. I've seen cases like that(Mostly on other forums than games here since I've been looking around to take notes on how to play since I'm still somewhat new). A mafia member stays in the background and throws his teammates under the bus when needed to get him to the end. So yeah, that's definitely something going for him that he did vote for each of the three mafia members so far, I think the chance of the theory I made in the last sentence still makes me wary. That, on top of the pretty good case Orange made a few day phases ago. I'm going to hear him out on some of the suspicions he me last day phase before I even consider voting for him at this point.
Stinger, I'm sorry to say I don't know for sure yet. It's strange and interesting that he'd walk back into the game and then throw suspicion on one of the few that most people were convinced was town so he's either full of it or ballsy as hell or both. I know it's a cop out, but I'm undecided on him right now. I do want to know if there's absolutely anything he can reveal, even the smallest info that he thinks might get through without any scrutiny from the mod. Anything at all. I like solid evidence and if he can give some that he thinks he can get away with saying, that would be of great help.
That's pretty much all of the thoughts I have on the game so far. I'm going to stick with my plan of making a post a day to get more information and then voting on Wednesday for I feel is the best candidate for mafia by that time. However, if anyone has any other questions to ask me they can do so and I'll answer them. At this very moment, I'm unsure of who I want to vote for due to some of these new developments and some lingering questions I have.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jun 10, 2013 11:48:21 GMT -5
MrBRulzOK I think its kind of obvious where I stand but just to officially answer your question: Jono. I feel Stinger is town, and I'm on the fence about Magiconz. I don't really agree with other's suspicions of him, but I do recognize that they might see something that I don't. But I still think he is a townie who is being over-analyzed. That's an easy answer for me at this point. No one has yet to contradict anything Jono has claimed so far so he's the most town right now at the moment. If anyone does contradict some of his role actions than please, come forward and say so. At this point in the game, all thoughts and theories should be put to typing. However, if anyone did want to contradict Jono, I would have thought they would have done it by now. If someone was taking credit for something that my role did, I'd be throwing the bullshit flag and screaming bloody murder immediately after they did so. I'll look back and see if anything sticks out to me but nothing really stands out right now. He does bring up a good point that two guys who haven't voted in a while now all of a sudden are going right for him. What were his claims? I know: He said he investigated BRB, which is what I've claimed could've been an agreed mafia decision during Night Phase One. I believe: He claimed to have roleblocked Wolf, which would've prevented a mafia frame job, but that is something that can't be proven/disproven by anyone. What were the other two? Who else did he say he used his powers on? And since people aren't convinced, I'll try to be a bit more rational and ask Stinger a question that I'm actually really curious about. stinger, why did you wait until the last day phase to reveal that you might have had some info implicating Jono as mafia? Finally, I want to make a blanket statement to try to help town realize that we are in the driver's seat right now. There are 9 of us with 2 or 3 being mafia. Jono is convinced that either Stinger or I are mafia. I'm convinced he is mafia. I don't want to put words in Stinger's mouth, but I believe he is feeling the same way. At this point in the game, we have the advantage. I don't see why we're afraid to use it and risk a townie or two to get rid of one of the final mafia members. If we lynch Jono, and he turns up town, I've said that I'm willing to bite the bullet and be lynched. Fair is fair, if I ended up making a mistake, I have to deal with the consequences. Now I want to ask Jono and Stinger the same things. Jono: Are you willing to put your neck on the line and sacrifice yourself if I flip town? Or if Stinger flips town? Stinger: Are you willing to put your neck on the line and sacrifice yourself if Jono flips town? If their answers are yes, then we have a very simple solution in front of us. If their answers are no, then I want to hear a very valid reason why they believe that keeping themselves alive is more important than getting one of the final mafia.
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Post by Orange on Jun 10, 2013 14:00:56 GMT -5
I'm going to try and get in here later today and catch up, guys. I'm going to be busy today, though, but I'll try and get in here later and catch up on all the info.
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Post by stinger on Jun 10, 2013 14:57:43 GMT -5
MrBRulzOK I think its kind of obvious where I stand but just to officially answer your question: Jono. I feel Stinger is town, and I'm on the fence about Magiconz. I don't really agree with other's suspicions of him, but I do recognize that they might see something that I don't. But I still think he is a townie who is being over-analyzed. That's an easy answer for me at this point. No one has yet to contradict anything Jono has claimed so far so he's the most town right now at the moment. If anyone does contradict some of his role actions than please, come forward and say so. At this point in the game, all thoughts and theories should be put to typing. However, if anyone did want to contradict Jono, I would have thought they would have done it by now. If someone was taking credit for something that my role did, I'd be throwing the bullshit flag and screaming bloody murder immediately after they did so. I'll look back and see if anything sticks out to me but nothing really stands out right now. He does bring up a good point that two guys who haven't voted in a while now all of a sudden are going right for him. What were his claims? I know: He said he investigated BRB, which is what I've claimed could've been an agreed mafia decision during Night Phase One. I believe: He claimed to have roleblocked Wolf, which would've prevented a mafia frame job, but that is something that can't be proven/disproven by anyone. What were the other two? Who else did he say he used his powers on? And since people aren't convinced, I'll try to be a bit more rational and ask Stinger a question that I'm actually really curious about. stinger, why did you wait until the last day phase to reveal that you might have had some info implicating Jono as mafia? Finally, I want to make a blanket statement to try to help town realize that we are in the driver's seat right now. There are 9 of us with 2 or 3 being mafia. Jono is convinced that either Stinger or I are mafia. I'm convinced he is mafia. I don't want to put words in Stinger's mouth, but I believe he is feeling the same way. At this point in the game, we have the advantage. I don't see why we're afraid to use it and risk a townie or two to get rid of one of the final mafia members. If we lynch Jono, and he turns up town, I've said that I'm willing to bite the bullet and be lynched. Fair is fair, if I ended up making a mistake, I have to deal with the consequences. Now I want to ask Jono and Stinger the same things. Jono: Are you willing to put your neck on the line and sacrifice yourself if I flip town? Or if Stinger flips town? Stinger: Are you willing to put your neck on the line and sacrifice yourself if Jono flips town? If their answers are yes, then we have a very simple solution in front of us. If their answers are no, then I want to hear a very valid reason why they believe that keeping themselves alive is more important than getting one of the final mafia. I didn't. I said it way back before I got killed the first time.
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Post by Orange on Jun 11, 2013 1:00:55 GMT -5
3. The third question goes to Orange: Do you still stand by your votes of Magiconz or have you seen something that may change your mind? As for right now, I'm going to stand by it. However, I'm going to read the thread tomorrow to read the argument posed by Sloth against JoNo and see if I agree with him. As of right now, though, yes, I'm sticking with my vote.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Development through Destruction.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 11, 2013 3:55:16 GMT -5
Can anyone put up a quick link to the last thread of this game since a lot of people said they wanted to read back and investigate. Just to make things a bit easier.
After I get some sleep, I'll answer your post, Sloth.
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