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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 2, 2013 16:17:15 GMT -5
Pictures from the secret new series where Jessie takes Holly on as a protege!
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Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Oct 2, 2013 16:28:50 GMT -5
The series is OVER. Why is there still a need for spoiler tags??? Common courtesy for those who, for some reason, still haven't watched the finale, is my guess.
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y4j1981
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Post by y4j1981 on Oct 2, 2013 16:32:48 GMT -5
The series is OVER. Why is there still a need for spoiler tags??? Common courtesy for those who, for some reason, still haven't watched the finale, is my guess. then I would not open a thread titled "The All Purpose Breaking Bad Final Season Thread"
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543Y2J
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Post by 543Y2J on Oct 2, 2013 16:43:41 GMT -5
I have been thinking about this for the past few days.
Consider where Jesse and Walt were at the start of the series
Jesse = Broken Bad or on the edge of. Not the most approachable of individualls, nor did he really fit into society. An outcast
Walt = Mr Chips, mid life crisis, stuck in a modern day interpretation of American suburbia, the callapse of his American dream of building his own empire, all adrenaline and rush from his life has gone (if it ever existed), his only real passion being Chemistry, but he must do another job which he hates to keep the family afloat.
Now consider where they were at the end of the series
Jesse: A moral, understand, caring individual. That has a heart, feels emotions, empathy and love for children and other people. He has felt pain, loved and found where he would want to be in the world. Yes he did do some bad stuff, but it is not like he had much choice to begin with (either cook meth with me, or i will hand you in to my dea brother in law). He broke through into society,life and happiness, the same way he burst through those gates out of the Nazi camp.
Walt: Died as half a man, half a beast/fallen King/Tyrant/Tragic hero/Hamartia who redeemed as much as he could. Two face. He died in his empire and creation, the thing he perfected. A narcissist, monster, tyrant, a fallen King, a ghost. BUT he succeeded. He knew at the start of the timeline, he was going to die (of cancer). And by hook or crook he was going to get money to his family whichever way possible. Which he did, his family fell apart, and he became a dictator and myth but he did succeed in his original goal. Either way the cancer was going to catch up to him, and he knew he will die. Gun shot wound or cancer, it was all coming back to him and he is just going to enjoy just feeling alive again killing people/making meth as long as it lasts.
Walt also got his revenge on the one's who screwed him out of his original empire (from his point of view, even though we never knew the full story). He made billionaires scared and defenseless for all the things they had done and said about him. To him this would have been redemption for what would have been his first empire.
Then third and fourth redemption: Killing the Nazis and Lydia (while setting Jesse free: which I believe was not his original intention, as you could see the look in his eyes once he saw how Jesse had been treated: kind of becoming Jesse's dad again, realizing he couldn't kill him as well), as already discussed by you guys in the last few pages. He did technically win through death, and he did what he originally set out to do and more (feeling alive again, building an empire and achieving his dream, getting redemption on Gray Matter etc) but it cost him his family (though not his life as Walt as he felt that has been eroding since he had the cancer)
The major point I am trying to make here is: Jesse BROKE GOOD, just as much as Walt BROKE BAD into Heisenberg.
Jesse had as much right to kill Walt/Heisenberg (he was a combination of the two to me in the penultimate scenes/the whole episode, becoming a ghost). But he chose not to. Todd deserved to die at Jesse's hands due to killing Andrea/the kid and generally pissing Jesse off, which he did. Walt, poisoned Brock, watch Jane die, generally f*** Jesse over for 5 seasons, used him, play with his emotions and his need for a father figure etc. He deserved to die at Jesse's hands. But it was the fact that he chose not to, which is important here. "Do it yourself" He realised that he has become a better individual than that and that Walt does not deserve that kind of quick death, instead he should bleed, but he isn't the one who is going to do it. Walt wanted him to do it, but Jesse became the better man.
Just a perfect series and a perfect series finale. There is character progression and significant layers to every story, it's amazing. This is my greatest series ever (Wire is 2nd, House is 3rd). I just don't know what is going to touch it...ever. Perfect
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Oct 2, 2013 16:46:21 GMT -5
if you have the chance, check out norm mcdonald's recent twitter rant on the finale. As a big Norm devotee, he's trolling people. He's a master Twitter-er, and this is right in line with what he does. Last June after the Liberace movie with Michael Douglas aired, he went on a pretty hilarious rant that seemed serious in tone and widely mistaken for it being face value that he took issue with the movie depicting Liberace as a homosexual as Liberace himself never publicly came out and sued the magazines and tabloids who so much as hinted that he was gay. He's put these rants at the tail end or in the middle of his hyper-detailed sports coverage to just throw people for a loop. He and Colin Quinn's Twitter are among the most misunderstood and the most consistently entertaining.
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Johnny
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Post by Johnny on Oct 2, 2013 17:21:16 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that Lydia's death would have been way more awesome if they didn't bring up the ricin in the teasers. Everyone was waiting for the ricin to get used, would have been a nice nod to earlier seasons if it just showed up out of the blue.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 2, 2013 17:38:10 GMT -5
That was incredible. I might have teared up a little watching it too.
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543Y2J
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Post by 543Y2J on Oct 2, 2013 19:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Oct 2, 2013 20:32:34 GMT -5
When are you guys gonna watch the whole series again? I'm going to try to hold off for a bit, so it's all fresh again. This show will have infinite replay value though. Legitimately the best show I've watched from start to finish. I've already started rewatching. My sister wants to see all the episodes before she watches the finale so I'm watching it with her. Right now I'm no S3, post Twins attack.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 2, 2013 20:52:21 GMT -5
When are you guys gonna watch the whole series again? I'm going to try to hold off for a bit, so it's all fresh again. This show will have infinite replay value though. Legitimately the best show I've watched from start to finish. I watched the entire series on Netflix and AMC's website in the last week and a half before the finale. I probably won't be seeing it again for a while. Edit: Not that I didn't like it or anything. I loved it. It's just that I've watched so much lately that I'm going to let it rest for a while.
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Post by chronocross on Oct 2, 2013 23:38:58 GMT -5
Not sure if it was mentioned before, but Vince Gilligan reminds me so much of Petyr Baelish (aka Littlefinger) from Game of Thrones.
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Post by Stu on Oct 3, 2013 0:48:48 GMT -5
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 3, 2013 15:43:27 GMT -5
The mere idea of the God of all things Bland, Matthew Broderick, playing Walter White just makes me cringe.
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Post by y4j1981 on Oct 3, 2013 15:51:08 GMT -5
The mere idea of the God of all things Bland, Matthew Broderick, playing Walter White just makes me cringe. have older Cameron play Mike
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Lardlad
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Post by Lardlad on Oct 3, 2013 16:56:45 GMT -5
Mia Sara as Skyler...
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JoDaNa1281
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Oct 3, 2013 17:16:58 GMT -5
Jennifer Grey as Marie
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 3, 2013 17:33:02 GMT -5
Charlie Sheen as Hank?
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Oct 3, 2013 17:50:26 GMT -5
I think Mr. Rooney could still work. He's chasing the Ferrisbueller.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 3, 2013 18:40:24 GMT -5
Just don't let Jeffrey Jones anywhere near Walt Jr. with a camera
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Professor Chaos
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 4, 2013 4:33:30 GMT -5
I felt great closure with the show. Norm McDonald's theory that he can't stop tweeting about makes me wanna Ricin the Idiot.
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