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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 8, 2013 11:41:38 GMT -5
Lou Thesz in his prime would probably wreck him. Lou in his heyday has nothing on people like Hodge, or Gotch though to be honest. watch Maeda vs Andre if you want to see somebody really test him Lou was feared worldwide for his shooter skills. Thesz would break one of Andre's appendages before he had a chance to react.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 14:45:05 GMT -5
Man, this thread really makes me realize how tough the guys were back then. No offense to the guys wrestling now but... Hansen, Vader, Brody, Haku scares me a lot more than Cody, Kofi, Bryan, Orton. Not really a fair comparison. You took 4 of the most "feared" wrestlers of back then and compared them to 4 random guys who were never considered tough guys. That's like saying Brock, Ken Shamrock, Kurt Angle and Josh Barnett would make guys like Barry O, Damien Demento, Koko B Ware look like a bunch of girls and therefore it makes the modern day wrestlers so much tougher and guys from late 80's/early 90's are a joke.
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Post by The OP on Aug 8, 2013 15:02:33 GMT -5
My take on the Andre/Bad News situation, is that Andre put himself in a lose-lose position when he offended Bad News with his comments. If he'd gone out and fought Bad News and lost, he'd be a weak blowhard who got put in his place by a smaller guy. If he fought him and won, he'd be a racist bully who made antagonizing remarks to a black man and then beat him up. Like I said, lose-lose. The moral of the story is don't be racist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 15:12:57 GMT -5
Meng.
Pretty sure Haku DID beat the ever loving shit out of him once.
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Post by Greer on Aug 8, 2013 16:00:36 GMT -5
Man, this thread really makes me realize how tough the guys were back then. No offense to the guys wrestling now but... Hansen, Vader, Brody, Haku scares me a lot more than Cody, Kofi, Bryan, Orton. Not really a fair comparison. You took 4 of the most "feared" wrestlers of back then and compared them to 4 random guys who were never considered tough guys. That's like saying Brock, Ken Shamrock, Kurt Angle and Josh Barnett would make guys like Barry O, Damien Demento, Koko B Ware look like a bunch of girls and therefore it makes the modern day wrestlers so much tougher and guys from late 80's/early 90's are a joke. Yeah you're right. But even the toughest guys back then make the toughest guys today look like wimps.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Aug 8, 2013 17:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by The OP on Aug 8, 2013 18:09:38 GMT -5
Not really a fair comparison. You took 4 of the most "feared" wrestlers of back then and compared them to 4 random guys who were never considered tough guys. That's like saying Brock, Ken Shamrock, Kurt Angle and Josh Barnett would make guys like Barry O, Damien Demento, Koko B Ware look like a bunch of girls and therefore it makes the modern day wrestlers so much tougher and guys from late 80's/early 90's are a joke. Yeah you're right. But even the toughest guys back then make the toughest guys today look like wimps. Stan Hansen doesn't make Brock Lesnar look like a wimp, let's not get carried away. A more grizzled look was in fashion for men at the time though, and I think that did kind of make them seem saltier than the swimmer's legs and axe body spray style of today's wrestlers. I was about to say you can thank WWE for that, but they're just trying to do as pop culture dictates. I have a theory that the whole "shave all your body hair and bathe yourself in cologne and wear skinny jeans" thing that the mainstream media has been pushing on men for the last decade or so is really just a scheme to sell magazines. There used to be a lot more women's style magazines, but men's magazines are starting to catch up now. You see more of them pop up as time goes by.
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Post by kamero00 on Aug 8, 2013 18:31:24 GMT -5
In his prime? No one. Too big, too strong All that a guy like Brock would have to do is get him off balance and on the ground and they could wail on him. Andre has always struck me as something of a bully and when a legit guy stood up to him he'd back down. In early 20's he would have had 150lbs on Brock. Everyone always forgets how athletic he was at that age.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 18:44:39 GMT -5
All that a guy like Brock would have to do is get him off balance and on the ground and they could wail on him. Andre has always struck me as something of a bully and when a legit guy stood up to him he'd back down. In early 20's he would have had 150lbs on Brock. Everyone always forgets how athletic he was at that age. The thing is though Brock is huge and strong with legit wrestling and MMA training, I stand by my assessment that Brock would still whip his ass.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Aug 8, 2013 20:25:06 GMT -5
Haku
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Aug 8, 2013 21:08:57 GMT -5
I'm sure anybody could have beaten Andre if they shot him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 21:25:23 GMT -5
Man, this thread really makes me realize how tough the guys were back then. No offense to the guys wrestling now but... Hansen, Vader, Brody, Haku scares me a lot more than Cody, Kofi, Bryan, Orton. To be fair you named some of the toughest wrestlers from the past and some guys who aren't credited as a hard cases (some people cite Bryan as one of the toughest wrestlers in the WWE actually). Hell, Randy Orton no sold a low blow and kicked a guy in the head last week, maybe he IS tough? Honestly, I think without the need to prove wrestling's as real as boxing nowadays that there is a real likelihood that there are guys as tough as those, but thankfully no one ever has to prove it in such a base fashion. People know wrestling is pre-determined and trained for so there's no need for clashes between people in bars and airports etc.
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Post by tms on Aug 8, 2013 21:43:10 GMT -5
I think Scott Norton could have kicked anyone's ass if he was determined enough to do so. That guy was like the character Kingpin from Marvel. 400 pounds or so of solid muscle. I'm surprised Goldberg's name hasn't come up yet, too. Ridiculous combination of strength AND speed/agility for his build.
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Post by willyjakes on Aug 8, 2013 22:51:56 GMT -5
If anything this thread doesn't do Andre enough justice. As a kid I saw him in person at many wrestling events and he was absolutely titanic. His hands were...I can't even describe. Like giant mutant bear paws or something.
Sure somebody with some MMA experience may be able to knock Andre down and work over a leg...make him tap. But that would be a rare occurrence.
If Andre got his hands around anybodys throat. I don't care if it's Lesnar or Undertaker or Bad New Brown. Goodnight, you're dead.
Andre would have about 9 inches of height and (depending on where he was in his career) 200-300(!!!) lbs on a "monster" like Lesnar.
In the mid 70's Andre flipped a car with 4 men in it who earlier in the evening were harassing him. You think Lou Thesz would do a damn thing to him. Or Bad News Brown? We all love David/Goliath stories...but let's be real here
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 23:30:07 GMT -5
No one. He can wrestle you know.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Aug 8, 2013 23:42:43 GMT -5
If anything this thread doesn't do Andre enough justice. As a kid I saw him in person at many wrestling events and he was absolutely titanic. His hands were...I can't even describe. Like giant mutant bear paws or something. Sure somebody with some MMA experience may be able to knock Andre down and work over a leg...make him tap. But that would be a rare occurrence. If Andre got his hands around anybodys throat. I don't care if it's Lesnar or Undertaker or Bad New Brown. Goodnight, you're dead. Andre would have about 9 inches of height and (depending on where he was in his career) 200-300(!!!) lbs on a "monster" like Lesnar. In the mid 70's Andre flipped a car with 4 men in it who earlier in the evening were harassing him. You think Lou Thesz would do a damn thing to him. Or Bad News Brown? We all love David/Goliath stories...but let's be real here This. Can you imagine what it would take to take down Andre? You couldn't just get him with a leg kick or a punch that would take down a normal guy. It would take way more. I'm sure guys tried Andre all the time. He was probably used to taking everyone's best shot and not letting it bother him. And as you said, if gets ahold of you, you are not getting away. He can kill you if he wants too at that point. You would have a reasonable chance against 1990 Andre, but Andre in his prime is f***ing up anyone on that list.
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Post by Gelatinous Parasite on Aug 10, 2013 16:45:05 GMT -5
I think most wrestlers with legitimate wrestling or fighting training could probably have taken Andre in his prime. In his waning days, most guys probably could've taken him down after a single blow to the leg. I know Andre was mobile back in the day but, ahem, size isn't everything. Remember Jericho pinned down Goldberg with a front face-lock during a backstage altercation. I'm sure if Jericho had felt like it (and didn't mind losing his job), he could've driven a few knees strikes in and comprehensively ended that one.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Aug 10, 2013 17:04:53 GMT -5
How bout Bart Gunn? Big dude and he totally dominated the brawl for all.
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Post by The OP on Aug 10, 2013 20:43:41 GMT -5
I think most wrestlers with legitimate wrestling or fighting training could probably have taken Andre in his prime. In his waning days, most guys probably could've taken him down after a single blow to the leg. I know Andre was mobile back in the day but, ahem, size isn't everything. Remember Jericho pinned down Goldberg with a front face-lock during a backstage altercation. I'm sure if Jericho had felt like it (and didn't mind losing his job), he could've driven a few knees strikes in and comprehensively ended that one. This post really supports willyjakes' point IMO, because it shows people are thinking of Andre as a "big guy". That doesn't do it justice, he was an actual giant. He was much bigger than Bill Goldberg and I would bet the farm that in his wildest dreams Chris Jericho does not trap Andre the Giant in a front face lock. It's not like Andre was invincible or something just because he was huge, but comparing this question to something like the Goldberg/Jericho fight is apples and oranges.
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Post by Gelatinous Parasite on Aug 10, 2013 21:08:18 GMT -5
I think most wrestlers with legitimate wrestling or fighting training could probably have taken Andre in his prime. In his waning days, most guys probably could've taken him down after a single blow to the leg. I know Andre was mobile back in the day but, ahem, size isn't everything. Remember Jericho pinned down Goldberg with a front face-lock during a backstage altercation. I'm sure if Jericho had felt like it (and didn't mind losing his job), he could've driven a few knees strikes in and comprehensively ended that one. This post really supports willyjakes' point IMO, because it shows people are thinking of Andre as a "big guy". That doesn't do it justice, he was an actual giant. He was much bigger than Bill Goldberg and I would bet the farm that in his wildest dreams Chris Jericho does not trap Andre the Giant in a front face lock. It's not like Andre was invincible or something just because he was huge, but comparing this question to something like the Goldberg/Jericho fight is apples and oranges. I'm not claiming that Jericho could've taken down Andre. I just used that example because Jericho (who, although trained at the Hart Dungeon, doesn't have any formal amateur wrestling or martial arts training that I'm aware of) was able to take down Goldberg, a much bigger and more powerful guy. Put Andre up against a recognised 'tough guy' or someone with a legitimate fighting background and I'm not sure he'd have fared too well. Also, Andre was never the 7'4" he was billed at and many say that he was never even 7'0. Not that that isn't still incredibly tall!
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