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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 10, 2013 12:03:05 GMT -5
A list of men Crimson defeated in 2011, many as a part of the Bound for Glory series. Credit to www.thehistoryofwwe.com/tna11.htm as my source of reference. Magnus Matt Hardy Abyss Samoa Joe (multiple times) D'Angelo Dinero Bobby Roode Bully Ray Mr. Anderson Rob Van Dam Jeff Jarrett He also defeated Austin Aries on Impact right before losing to James Storm at Slammiversary in 2012.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 10, 2013 13:08:42 GMT -5
Wasn't that RVD match on PPV and it was the beginning of the whole "Jerry Lynn screws RVD" angle where the DQs kept costing RVD 10 points? The sad thing is you would think after Lynn did that TNA would modify the rules the next year so that someone wasn't so penalized for a DQ. And you would be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 13:25:33 GMT -5
I do remember that time period.
Remember the time that Crimson and Morgan had the epic slap fight on PPV?
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Post by Glitch on Aug 10, 2013 14:50:13 GMT -5
So was this a russo idea? Sounds like his handy work of easily interchangeable wrestler angle that could use anyone, even if it made no sense.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 10, 2013 15:03:35 GMT -5
So was this a russo idea? Sounds like his handy work of easily interchangeable wrestler angle that could use anyone, even if it made no sense. I thought it was Eric Bischoff trying to recreate Goldberg. either way it was terrible.
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Aug 10, 2013 15:08:19 GMT -5
Terrible.
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Post by Banecat on Aug 10, 2013 15:09:39 GMT -5
...and yet you guys complain about TNA using nothing but "WWE Rejects" and not building new stars. Sadly like Batista, he was starting to get good at his role and they ship him away.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 10, 2013 15:11:12 GMT -5
Trying to forget it, though I was starting to like his cocky heel character.
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Post by Glitch on Aug 10, 2013 15:20:19 GMT -5
...and yet you guys complain about TNA using nothing but "WWE Rejects" and not building new stars. Sadly like Batista, he was starting to get good at his role and they ship him away. Aries,Joe, Daniels , and AJ aren't wwe rejects. People on here(including me) love when they get pushed. Crimson is like a wwe reject without actually having been in wwe.
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Post by SOR on Aug 10, 2013 15:29:48 GMT -5
...and yet you guys complain about TNA using nothing but "WWE Rejects" and not building new stars. Sadly like Batista, he was starting to get good at his role and they ship him away. 100% this. If TNA attempts to push anyone except AJ, Aries, Bobby, Daniels or Joe people are going to complain. Crimson was good and it was simply TNA trying to make a new star. ...and yet you guys complain about TNA using nothing but "WWE Rejects" and not building new stars. Sadly like Batista, he was starting to get good at his role and they ship him away. Aries,Joe, Daniels , and AJ aren't wwe rejects. People on here(including me) love when they get pushed. Crimson is like a wwe reject without actually having been in wwe.How can you be a WWE reject without ever being in WWE?
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Aug 10, 2013 15:43:13 GMT -5
I remember he got some cheap wins and kind of playing it as a heel. They did have a Crimson: Dominant video play showing some of his wins. And I don't think Tenay or Taz talked about it as a heel getting a win. If you're going to do it, better find someone better than Crimson.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 10, 2013 16:24:03 GMT -5
Ah, the Crimson push. TNA figured if they pushed a guy who looked like a WWE guy and used the classic "undefeated streak means the fans will like him" trope, it would had worked. The problems were that Crimson was built like a swimmer, not a monster. He has no personality. His matches consisted of him getting his ass kicked and winning with a lucky move or two. Also his wrestling prowess was lacking especially against folks who was bigger than him. When people say "push new guys", they mean push new guys who are ready for the spot and will not underachieve. By the time Crimson grew a personality via heel turn, TNA got bored of him. He actually one of the few people who improved down in OVW yet still got released. Maybe if he had grown a full beard and dyed his hair brown, the Gunner spot would been his.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 16:34:07 GMT -5
I still to this day, have no idea what they saw in him. He didn't have the look or any charisma. He couldn't work a match and tended to win with roll-ups. And as for promo's...the less said the better.
Its really more a WWE problem, but every single time I see a guy like this, I always wonder what is actually going on behind the scenes.
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Post by Glitch on Aug 10, 2013 17:00:59 GMT -5
...and yet you guys complain about TNA using nothing but "WWE Rejects" and not building new stars. Sadly like Batista, he was starting to get good at his role and they ship him away. 100% this. If TNA attempts to push anyone except AJ, Aries, Bobby, Daniels or Joe people are going to complain. Crimson was good and it was simply TNA trying to make a new star. Aries,Joe, Daniels , and AJ aren't wwe rejects. People on here(including me) love when they get pushed. Crimson is like a wwe reject without actually having been in wwe.How can you be a WWE reject without ever being in WWE? Because he has no in ring or promo talent yet gets pushed and has several wins over prominent wrestlers(Yes, I know technically you can't be a wwe reject without actually being there). The thing is, why exactly was Crimson on a winning streak? Goldberg was a big , unstoppable monster. Samoa Joe was a cold blooded killer with several different ways of hurting you. You could even extend to Jericho in wcw a bit when he was cruiserweight champ and a jerk who we just wanted to see get thrown off his mantle. Crimson had nothing. It seemed like he had a winning streak simply for the sake of having a winning streak. People don't just want any new person. They want people with talent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 17:18:09 GMT -5
I do remember that time period. Remember the time that Crimson and Morgan had the epic slap fight on PPV? Hahahaha Am I remembering right that the bell sounded as it happened for a time limit draw? All I could think was the old 'looks like Tarzan, hits like Jane' line.
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Post by SOR on Aug 10, 2013 17:26:49 GMT -5
100% this. If TNA attempts to push anyone except AJ, Aries, Bobby, Daniels or Joe people are going to complain. Crimson was good and it was simply TNA trying to make a new star. How can you be a WWE reject without ever being in WWE? Because he has no in ring or promo talent yet gets pushed and has several wins over prominent wrestlers(Yes, I know technically you can't be a wwe reject without actually being there). The thing is, why exactly was Crimson on a winning streak? Goldberg was a big , unstoppable monster. Samoa Joe was a cold blooded killer with several different ways of hurting you. You could even extend to Jericho in wcw a bit when he was cruiserweight champ and a jerk who we just wanted to see get thrown off his mantle. Crimson had nothing. It seemed like he had a winning streak simply for the sake of having a winning streak. People don't just want any new person. They want people with talent. Well guess what? In 97-98 Goldberg had no in ring ability and his promo's were lack luster. He also went on a winning streak for no particular reason. As for Goldberg being a big unstoppable monster that's true but Crimson has 2 inches on him height wise and is only 20 pounds lighter. If Goldberg is a believable monster why not someone taller and only a little less in terms of weight? It was a failed push I'll admit that but at least TNA tried.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 10, 2013 17:41:59 GMT -5
...and yet you guys complain about TNA using nothing but "WWE Rejects" and not building new stars. Sadly like Batista, he was starting to get good at his role and they ship him away. 100% this. If TNA attempts to push anyone except AJ, Aries, Bobby, Daniels or Joe people are going to complain. Crimson was good and it was simply TNA trying to make a new star. Aries,Joe, Daniels , and AJ aren't wwe rejects. People on here(including me) love when they get pushed. Crimson is like a wwe reject without actually having been in wwe.How can you be a WWE reject without ever being in WWE? I think a problem was that his build wasn't that organic. That's my take. With Goldberg it was a slower build, by comparison, and there was a clear endpoint (Hogan/NWO). TNA, at the time, didn't have anything like that. Realistically with Goldberg WCW had time and distance to allow them to see flaws, address them, fix them, or drop the push if it wasn't getting over. Also, Crimson had a huge problem... his look is equal parts ridiculous and imposing. Mostly it was the hair. Put that is personal opinion, I never got the hate. I just wish he was using unique iconography because the iron cross is associated with a prominent wrestler (Trips).
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 10, 2013 18:41:14 GMT -5
Because he has no in ring or promo talent yet gets pushed and has several wins over prominent wrestlers(Yes, I know technically you can't be a wwe reject without actually being there). The thing is, why exactly was Crimson on a winning streak? Goldberg was a big , unstoppable monster. Samoa Joe was a cold blooded killer with several different ways of hurting you. You could even extend to Jericho in wcw a bit when he was cruiserweight champ and a jerk who we just wanted to see get thrown off his mantle. Crimson had nothing. It seemed like he had a winning streak simply for the sake of having a winning streak. People don't just want any new person. They want people with talent. Well guess what? In 97-98 Goldberg had no in ring ability and his promo's were lack luster. He also went on a winning streak for no particular reason. As for Goldberg being a big unstoppable monster that's true but Crimson has 2 inches on him height wise and is only 20 pounds lighter. If Goldberg is a believable monster why not someone taller and only a little less in terms of weight? It was a failed push I'll admit that but at least TNA tried. Sorry for the double post, but I think an issue was that awkward finisher. Had he used the fall-away wind up to hit a backbreaker and then snap back with the... reverse STO/whatever, it would give a display of strength and make sense. Buuut I am not going to knit pick it too much when there is someone doing a backflip Styles clash off the turnbuckles as a freaking mid-match move. I was watching inconsistently at the time, so I wasn't precisely getting the same weekly exposure, so I didn't get the bad taste or feeling. Though I felt he had a physical presence/charisma to him. More than Gunner at least. Still I think it is somewhat hypocritical about people complaining about them using name talent to 'make' a guy, whilst complaining that TNA doesn't 'make' their guys. Crimson was an earnest effort, sure it was a misstep, but pushes aren't going to always work. Especially when there is no direction to the push.
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Post by percymania on Aug 17, 2013 14:03:32 GMT -5
He was not as good as the push they gave him. Sad.
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Post by Glitch on Aug 17, 2013 16:19:50 GMT -5
Because he has no in ring or promo talent yet gets pushed and has several wins over prominent wrestlers(Yes, I know technically you can't be a wwe reject without actually being there). The thing is, why exactly was Crimson on a winning streak? Goldberg was a big , unstoppable monster. Samoa Joe was a cold blooded killer with several different ways of hurting you. You could even extend to Jericho in wcw a bit when he was cruiserweight champ and a jerk who we just wanted to see get thrown off his mantle. Crimson had nothing. It seemed like he had a winning streak simply for the sake of having a winning streak. People don't just want any new person. They want people with talent. Well guess what? In 97-98 Goldberg had no in ring ability and his promo's were lack luster. He also went on a winning streak for no particular reason. As for Goldberg being a big unstoppable monster that's true but Crimson has 2 inches on him height wise and is only 20 pounds lighter. If Goldberg is a believable monster why not someone taller and only a little less in terms of weight? It was a failed push I'll admit that but at least TNA tried. Even in the beggining, Goldberg had an intemediating look. The body language and face he made fit with the unstoppable monster gimmick. He started out beating jobbers and then later moved onto the flock. And then to the nwo. All of which was done very gradually. Over time his skills did get better. Crimson pretty much made me laugh when I see his face and has not gotten better overtime. He's the same sloppy wrestler. He also wasn't really hyped up either the way Goldberg or Joe was. No look. No promo skills No ring skills. No story behind him. Why am I supposed to care that he's winning?
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