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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Aug 17, 2013 17:10:25 GMT -5
Scumbag FAN, wants TNA to push original stars, complains when they push Gunner and Crimson
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Post by Talent Name on Aug 17, 2013 17:19:04 GMT -5
He was pushed to fast with no real direction, Goldberg also had some legitimate look about him. I remember that Crimson debuted as Amazing Red's bigger brother against Kurt Angle and than was given a monster push, while Goldberg was silent and destroying jobbers then earned more and more finally getting key victories unlike Crimson who got those victories right away
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 17, 2013 18:15:14 GMT -5
The problem with Crimson was he was a big man with little presence, he didn't come off as a monster even when put with people considerably smaller than he is. When he returned from OVW, he had a slightly better look, the new gear really helped, and looked like he'd make a good midcard power heel, but it wasn't to be thank to TNA's current belt tightening.
Now, as for people going 'People want TNA to push original talent, but moaned when they did!', Crimson, like Gunner and Garrett, had no character when he got his initial push, and was put over people who did which rubbed people the wrong way. They got the kind of push that seems designed to make people hate a worker, and not in the 'pay to see him lose' kind of way.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 17, 2013 20:45:55 GMT -5
AAHHHHH!! Mother f***er!!!!
That's all I remember about Crimson.
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 17, 2013 20:53:17 GMT -5
Scumbag FAN, wants TNA to push original stars, complains when they push Gunner and Crimson Truly flawless logic. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2013 3:18:56 GMT -5
Scumbag FAN, wants TNA to push original stars, complains when they push Gunner and Crimson Why is it seemingly unfathomable (not just here but on the WWE board) that no one's ever saying they want any old new guy pushed, but a guy they think "deserves" it? Now you can make the claim that: 'well they only want people they like pushed', and that's a more valid argument, (though generally it's possible to see merit in a guy ya don't like; and it's human nature to.want a guy ya do to succeed) but the whole "See! TNA/WWE do push new guys, and yall still complain" is flawed cuz not one person has ever wanted just any old new guy pushed. It's a straw man. Much like Crimson's character. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 18, 2013 6:07:27 GMT -5
I remember thinking Crimson and Red would have been a good power and speed tag team. Hell that's what I thought TNA was going to do, but Crimson got a monster push right away, and Red was nowhere to be found.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 18, 2013 6:46:30 GMT -5
Scumbag FAN, wants TNA to push original stars, complains when they push Gunner and Crimson Why is it seemingly unfathomable (not just here but on the WWE board) that no one's ever saying they want any old new guy pushed, but a guy they think "deserves" it? Now you can make the claim that: 'well they only want people they like pushed', and that's a more valid argument, (though generally it's possible to see merit in a guy ya don't like; and it's human nature to.want a guy ya do to succeed) but the whole "See! TNA/WWE do push new guys, and yall still complain" is flawed cuz not one person has ever wanted just any old new guy pushed. It's a straw man. Much like Crimson's character. We got our wish, but it was granted by a cursed monkey paw. We wanted new guys pushed, we got them, but they weren't the guys people wanted, we weren't given any reason to care about them and they were pushed completely the wrong way, first being paired with, then going over people we actually liked. |
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Post by Emmet Russell on Aug 18, 2013 6:59:33 GMT -5
I thought he had some potential when he was a heel near the end of his run - just like Don West, when they get better TNA cans them. His whole undefeated streak was unbearable. Most felt like fluke wins and he lost tag-team matches along the way.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 18, 2013 7:03:24 GMT -5
TNA expected a Goldberg. They got Rodney Mack. The end.
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Post by SOR on Aug 18, 2013 7:30:10 GMT -5
Funny thing is that most "new" guys people want pushed aren't even new.
It seems like on this board at least it's always push AJ, Aries, Daniels, Kazarian, Joe, Roode and most of those guys have been around since the early to mid 2000's.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2013 8:33:05 GMT -5
Because those guys at the time never received serious pushes. New doesn't mean you just got to the promotion. It means getting a chance to shine after proving you are worthy of the opportunity. Booker T won the WCW title after being in the promotion for long time. Steve Austin was in the business over a decade and a proven veteran before he got the ball from WWF and ran in down his naysayers' throats. Gunner and Crimson were empty vessels. CAWs. They didn't have any dramatic character, charisma, fan support, and wrestling ability to justify their pushes. All they had were tattoos, mean faces, and supposed intensity. And that wasn't enough and TNA management pulled the plug of their pet projects because of that. So it's not the fans nor the IWC's fault for them bombing. TNA knew their flaws and hoped they could overcome it. They didn't and TNA acted accordingly.
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