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Post by CrazySting on Aug 11, 2013 1:42:15 GMT -5
One of the reasons for Alberto Del Rio’s attack on Ricardo Rodriguez at RAW is that WWE felt Del Rio wasn’t over enough as a heel because people love Ricardo.
Believe it or not, there was also a disciplinary component to it as Ricardo has drawn heat for openly complaining about his Wellness Policy violation.
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Assuming this is true, WWE is wrong. Del Rio isn't over as a heel because, well, he's terrible. Not sure what that's got to do with Ricardo.
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 11, 2013 1:53:59 GMT -5
Assuming this is true, WWE is wrong. Del Rio isn't over as a heel because, well, he's terrible. Not sure what that's got to do with Ricardo. I think they mean WWE is afraid people won't boo Del Rio if he's with him, because they like Ricardo.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2013 1:57:36 GMT -5
Assuming this is true, WWE is wrong. Del Rio isn't over as a heel because, well, he's terrible. Not sure what that's got to do with Ricardo. I think they mean WWE is afraid people won't boo Del Rio if he's with him, because they like Ricardo. Which there is some truth to, possibly. Umaga was in a similar situation with Alejandro Armando Estrada, who they stopped using for Umaga because he would get face pops saying his name, since the crowd would say it along with him. I guess crowds love that, as the same happened to Mr. Kennedy. Kennedy.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Aug 11, 2013 2:05:15 GMT -5
If the fans liked Ricardo too much as Del Rio's valet, is it safe to say that we'll never see Rosa Mendes in a lucha mask and a bikni?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 4:05:09 GMT -5
Ricardo or not, del Rio's never going to be over and WWE needs to give it up.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 11, 2013 4:09:48 GMT -5
Ricardo or not, del Rio's never going to be over and WWE needs to give it up. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Del Rio isn't over. He's just not main event over. What they should've done either let him and Ricardo be a tag team, or put Del Rio in a spot similar to what Miz was doing: firmly in the midcard, but with enough notoriety that a midcard belt looks like a bigger deal just by him having it or competing for it.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 11, 2013 4:38:08 GMT -5
It's telling that the only memorable and interesting thing about Del Rio was his ring announcer. Now... he has nothing.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Aug 11, 2013 5:28:58 GMT -5
One of the reasons for Alberto Del Rio’s attack on Ricardo Rodriguez at RAW is that WWE felt no one cared about Del Rio because people love Ricardo. fixed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 6:27:29 GMT -5
I haven't seen someone get such a sustained push for as long as ADR has, without being over, since Greg Gagne.
Except it's even worse since at least Gagne wasn't always at/near the top of the card.
Why is ADR immune from being jobbed out in the midcard?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 8:30:45 GMT -5
I think they mean WWE is afraid people won't boo Del Rio if he's with him, because they like Ricardo. Which there is some truth to, possibly. Umaga was in a similar situation with Alejandro Armando Estrada, who they stopped using for Umaga because he would get face pops saying his name, since the crowd would say it along with him. I guess crowds love that, as the same happened to Mr. Kennedy. Kennedy. Sadly with Estrada, they didn't have Umaga turn on him. They just had Estrada stop doing it (I still remember the segment where he stopped doing it) and he became a "manager"/handler/whatever he was that wasn't actually called a manager -- and the crowd completely stopped giving a sh*t about him from then on until he was released 2 years later.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 11, 2013 8:37:41 GMT -5
Ricardo or not, del Rio's never going to be over and WWE needs to give it up. Not true. He was actually doing fine as a face. His face turn even kinda made sense (realizing he'd be a dick, especially to Ricardo). I thought he was pretty over. So, naturally, they turned him back heel again for no appearant reason
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 11, 2013 8:51:36 GMT -5
Ricardo or not, del Rio's never going to be over and WWE needs to give it up. Not true. He was actually doing fine as a face. His face turn even kinda made sense (realizing he'd be a dick, especially to Ricardo). I thought he was pretty over. So, naturally, they turned him back heel again for no appearant reason Del Rio's face run being over was something I never experienced in person: 1. Wrestlemania: Majority of crowd was either silent or chanting We Want Ziggler. 2. Raw after Wrestlemania: Crowd was chanting for Zeb Colter, and then for Dolph. 3. Smackdown taping in Detroit in May: Dolph and AJ got face reactions. 4. Payback: Crowd was solidly behind Dolph and booing Del Rio from the moment the first guy came out.
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Aug 11, 2013 9:06:03 GMT -5
Ricardo or not, del Rio's never going to be over and WWE needs to give it up. Not true. He was actually doing fine as a face. His face turn even kinda made sense (realizing he'd be a dick, especially to Ricardo). I thought he was pretty over. So, naturally, they turned him back heel again for no appearant reason this, same thing with Punk's heel turn last year. their hottest babyface runs cut down cold and their heel turns turn lukewarm, Punk was able to slowly revive himself. Del Rio they care about so much because of the Mexico influence and the money they shilled out for him. 2011 should've been Del Rio's total domination, wins the rumble EVER then ends up champ by SUMMERSLAM by cashing in.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Aug 11, 2013 9:07:17 GMT -5
Not true. He was actually doing fine as a face. His face turn even kinda made sense (realizing he'd be a dick, especially to Ricardo). I thought he was pretty over. So, naturally, they turned him back heel again for no appearant reason Del Rio's face run being over was something I never experienced in person: 4. Payback: Crowd was solidly behind Dolph and booing Del Rio from the moment the first guy came out. And they say he's not over as a heel.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Aug 11, 2013 9:25:43 GMT -5
That's kinda messed up. So wwe has Alberto whoop his real life best fiend's ass on national television because of a twitter comment and because fans like doing the introduction with Ricardo...Damn. Also Del Rio has been doing GREAT without Ricardo. People like to say Del Rio gets no reaction during his entrance but COMPLETELY IGNORE the "heat" he gets during his matches. He'll be fine without Ricardo. I just hope Ricardo doesn't become a comedy act like santino. Maybe they'll send him to NXT like they did with Husky Harris and Ricardo will come back with a nice gimmick/character. Still upset though. I REALLY wanted ADR and Ricardo to become tag team champions.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 11, 2013 9:46:27 GMT -5
Del Rio was doing all right when he was a face, but even I don't think he was that over. Ever since his attacks on Dolph and second turn, he's gotten way more heat. People saying otherwise are kidding themselves.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 11, 2013 10:00:58 GMT -5
I think they mean WWE is afraid people won't boo Del Rio if he's with him, because they like Ricardo. Which there is some truth to, possibly. Umaga was in a similar situation with Alejandro Armando Estrada, who they stopped using for Umaga because he would get face pops saying his name, since the crowd would say it along with him. I guess crowds love that, as the same happened to Mr. Kennedy. Kennedy. And Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 11, 2013 10:03:37 GMT -5
OK, guys. I get it. Everybody hates Alberto del Rio now.
But are we really going to go with the idea that people DON'T love Ricardo and that wasn't a possible hindrance?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 10:05:10 GMT -5
OK, guys. I get it. Everybody hates Alberto del Rio now. But are we really going to go with the idea that people DON'T love Ricardo and that wasn't a possible hindrance? No, because crowds do like Ricardo. Del Rio was only over during his face run when he brown-nosed Spanish-speaking audiences.
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Post by RIHT on Aug 11, 2013 10:36:54 GMT -5
Both faces and heels need to compliment each other to get good reactions. Del Rio never got heat last year in his feud with Sheamus because nobody really liked Sheamus. There can't be a good hero without a good villian, but if nobody cared about Superman, Lex Luthor wouldn't be cared about either. Del Rio needs an awesome face to feud with for a decent amount of time where he beats them all the time, like RVD or Christian. Beating favorites would get him to be disliked and people would take notice. When he was beating Ziggler, I personally was liking his material as he was looking powerful always beating Ziggler and I would've enjoyed booing him. Then, if WWE gave Ziggler his last shot at Summerslam and he regained the title with triumph, Ziggler would move up as a face. Basically, if people care about someone in WWE, they will get some kind of reaction.(Cena gets booed as a face, but people care about him. Punk gets cheered as a heel since people like him)
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