i think bryans winning

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Orton waving around his briefcase, hhh interjecting himself in to the match, cena cutting one of his shouty never surrender promos are all red herrings designed to make the audience think things will follow the usual status quo bulkshit cenawins hhhburiesall

This will make Bryan winning the title an even bigger deal and lead to him getting a huge rub as being something fresh new and exciting and a huge changing of the guard moment.

Plus they've been really self aware with recent storylines

Optimism

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I'm torn on it. Conventional booking would dictate, with Vince and Maddox doubting Bryan and Cena outright telling him he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as people like Michaels, Rock, and Punk, that Bryan wins and gets his big moment, especially combined with Cena apparently being injured, but something just feels off with that. I'm almost thinking, though I doubt WWE would go through with it just because it'd involve doing something kind of different, it's leading to Triple H screwing him over then Orton cashing in on Cena, which I think I'd probably be the worst cast scenario there because I have zero interest in a Triple H / Bryan feud and the idea of any more Cena / Orton makes me want to rip my eyes out to avoid having to glimpse a second of it.

Then again, there's also a chance it's all a giant ruse and Bryan's in league with Vince and Maddox to catch Cena offguard and screw him out of the title, then he becomes a corporate champion through an incredibly forced, poorly-timed heel turn. I can completely see that happening.

[Straight Edge Scrotum]

I agree with all of that and it will be a pretty sweet moment...

..until Orton cashes in, kills Bryan with an RKO and closes Summerslam as the new champ.

[Chip]

Tonight put doubt into my mind about Bryan winning, Bryan keeps going back to the "Im a wrestler and you're not" shtick that has been done so many times now that it's bordering on cliche. The thing is, most of the times it was used in the past it ultimately had no meaning past just promo fodder. I fear that they will have Cena win as a way of putting Cena over as a wrestler.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

I'm hoping Bryan wins, and as long as it doesn't involve a heel turn for him, I don't care what shenanigans happen for him to do so or even if Orton cashes in on him afterwards.

[rnrk supports BLM]

I have the horrifying premonition that the two red herring complications are going to cancel each other out by having Triple H stop Orton from cashing in, leading to a new HHH/Orton feud.

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Aug 13, 2013 3:55:24 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

I have the horrifying premonition that the two red herring complications are going to cancel each other out by having Triple H stop Orton from cashing in, leading to a new HHH/Orton feud.

F*** it, I'd take it over Cena / Orton.

[celticjobber]

I think Triple H will turn heel and screw DB out of the title. Then Orton cashes in on Cena and wins.

Leading to DB/Trips and Orton/Cena as the two main feuds coming out of Summerslam.

[Hobby Drifter]

I want to see a reluctant HHH count the pin for Bryan.
Then I want Orton to cash in, HHH to pedigree Bryan, and make a fast count only for Bryan to kick-out, tap-out Orton, and then snap HHH's arm, Lesnar-style.

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Aug 13, 2013 4:26:38 GMT -5 Hobby Drifter said:

I want to see a reluctant HHH count the pin for Bryan.
Then I want Orton to cash in, HHH to pedigree Bryan, and make a fast count only for Bryan to kick-out, tap-out Orton, and then snap HHH's arm, Lesnar-style.

Under typical WWE logic, somehow Bryan would be the heel for this.

[thelonewolf527]

I'm still of the opinion that when a heel makes claims about their babyface opponent, if the babyface loses, those claims become justified. Now granted Bryan's not a heel, his promo had a heelish nature to it. Guys in the past said that Cena wasn't as good, but Bryan went far enough to say that Cena's not a real wrestler and doesn't deserve his success. This is contrary to someone like Punk who always said that Cena was better than most people say he is, only Punk was better. Because of this, Bryan winning gives him credibility that Cena is a joke, which I don't think is the direction to go. Therefore, I'd prefer to see Cena win after the promo he had on Bryan.

And yes, I now await all of the pro Bryan arguments that I will get. I just hope these come down to more than "Same old shit, he used make a wish, Bryan made him look like a bitch, etc" that I've been seeing all night.

[BigBadZ]

Aug 13, 2013 4:35:37 GMT -5 thelonewolf527 said:

I'm still of the opinion that when a heel makes claims about their babyface opponent, if the babyface loses, those claims become justified. Now granted Bryan's not a heel, his promo had a heelish nature to it. Guys in the past said that Cena wasn't as good, but Bryan went far enough to say that Cena's not a real wrestler and doesn't deserve his success. This is contrary to someone like Punk who always said that Cena was better than most people say he is, only Punk was better. Because of this, Bryan winning gives him credibility that Cena is a joke, which I don't think is the direction to go. Therefore, I'd prefer to see Cena win after the promo he had on Bryan.

And yes, I now await all of the pro Bryan arguments that I will get. I just hope these come down to more than "Same old shit, he used make a wish, Bryan made him look like a bitch, etc" that I've been seeing all night.

This may sound bias because I want Bryan to win. But Cena telling Bryan he isn't in the same league as Cena's past opponents reminds me of "the kid can't hang" promo during the Punk feud. And as you said, Punk did compliment Cena's wrestling, but he made sure that he was head and shoulders above Cena. Bryan's part where he said he would give anything to be champion just once came off as more important than the "you aren't a real wrestler" (which I am sick to death of hearing during Cena feuds). Cena naming dropping his past opponents set things up that if Bryan won, he would get put in that category. I know I am reading too much into it, but Bryan said that slapping the opponent gets the best out of them and then Cena slapped Bryan.

I am not saying you are wrong because you made great points and I can see what you said happening. The only thing I completely disagree with is that it would hurt Cena's credibility because I don't think anyone can. If it does come off as Cena being dropped down a peg or two, when he regains his championship from Bryan, it will put him right back where he is now.

I can honestly see it going either way though. There will be a rematch and a loss wouldn't hurt either of them, at least for very long. Bryan is over like rover and Cena is Cena. This feud could really do without the Triple H/ McMahon crap......