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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 4:10:32 GMT -5
Any idea who he's talking about starting around 5:29? Lance Storm. Storm is very open about how much he dislikes Russo and he had three belts at one time in WCW. Lance's take on it was that he only met Russo once, when he first entered WCW. He said that Russo wanted him to play Bischoff's son because Russo thought he had the same arrogant look that Eric had. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Johnny Ace was more responsible for Storm's push than Russo.
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 26, 2013 4:34:21 GMT -5
Here's another trailer, this one focuses on dealing with Hulk Hogan:
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Post by chazraps on Aug 26, 2013 8:41:15 GMT -5
Any word if this is going to be a double-disc or a single disc?
I ask because I just watched the Kevin Sullivan 1996 timeline and, while the first half was great, once we get to the nWo every thing seems rush-edited and awkwardly trimmed to make sure it fits on to a single 2:15 dvd. Really wish it would have been a bit longer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 9:11:43 GMT -5
Apparently Chris Daniels only cares about having 4 star matches. No character for that guy.
Russo's a pretty inaccurate cougher.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 26, 2013 11:10:03 GMT -5
Here's the one thing I always did understand when it came to Russo: when you come down to it, wrestling IS "fake"...obviously not in terms of the pain the guys experience or what have you, but guys protect one another, have predetermined outcomes, all that good stuff. A ton of wrestlers, even many of my all-time favorites, often seem like they can't really roll with that, and it can make things very complicated.
That said, where Russo will always lose me is that he confuses "it's fake" with "it's ok to totally wreck suspension of disbelief". There are tons of fictional TV shows out there, and almost none of them go out of their way to do that on a regular basis. Too often, wrestling does, and frankly it doesn't enhance the experience.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 26, 2013 11:59:28 GMT -5
Yeah, that's where he comes off like a goof. It's fine to understand that wrestling is a work. It's not fine to tell everyone that on the air. Oh and he still clings to his whole "I brought up the ratings" argument. A quick glance at ratings for Nitro in Sept. 1999: 3.3, 3.1, 3.0 for the weeks after the Raw preemption. The highest rating Russo ever brought in was a 3.4 (11-22-99 and 1-10-00). The hilarity of that is the next week after that 1-10 show was the night after Souled Out 2000, one of the biggest chaos filled PPVs ever, complete with Russo being removed as booker and everyone wanting to quit. And the rating went down to a 3.0!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 12:10:38 GMT -5
Lance Storm. Storm is very open about how much he dislikes Russo and he had three belts at one time in WCW. Lance's take on it was that he only met Russo once, when he first entered WCW. He said that Russo wanted him to play Bischoff's son because Russo thought he had the same arrogant look that Eric had. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Johnny Ace was more responsible for Storm's push than Russo. Ace was. Not sure where in the time line Storm and Russo crossed paths outside of Lance first coming over, but Russo's talking about him because of the three belt reference and Lance talking bad about him on his website and in interviews.
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Post by Chip on Aug 26, 2013 12:26:28 GMT -5
Apparently Chris Daniels only cares about having 4 star matches. No character for that guy. Russo's a pretty inaccurate cougher. But... but... but... Chief J Strongbow.... everyone wants to see his kind of matches in todays wrestling right? Right?
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Post by Joshie el Gato Rey on Aug 26, 2013 12:30:41 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Johnny Ace was more responsible for Storm's push than Russo. Ace was. Not sure where in the time line Storm and Russo crossed paths outside of Lance first coming over, but Russo's talking about him because of the three belt reference and Lance talking bad about him on his website and in interviews. Lance did and interview with RD Reynolds back in 07 where he said Ace told Russo to give him Lance and he'd be the biggest heel on the roster whereas Russo was gonna have him lead something like the Canadian World Order and Lance would always refer to it as the COW, coming across as stupid. Lance's response was "Why does everyone have to be stupid on these shows'? Anyway, Ace has control over Lance and I remember Lance being very over during that time. Russo signed off on it so I guess he just takes credit for helping Lance get over on TV.
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Post by johnnytightlips on Aug 26, 2013 12:32:20 GMT -5
Any word if this is going to be a double-disc or a single disc? I ask because I just watched the Kevin Sullivan 1996 timeline and, while the first half was great, once we get to the nWo every thing seems rush-edited and awkwardly trimmed to make sure it fits on to a single 2:15 dvd. Really wish it would have been a bit longer. The cover of the dvd lists it as a double dvd set at 2 hours, 35 minutes so I'm guessing that second disc wouldn't have much (10-15 minutes). Curious to hear more of your thoughts on the Kevin Sullivan Timeline.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 12:40:33 GMT -5
Russo is right, I love it every time when during Dexter, Michael C. Hall stops his act, turns to camera and says "this shit is fake, they write my character this way and make me look crazy, but not anymore, I'm taking over and now you'll see the real Dexter Morgan".
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Post by Chip on Aug 26, 2013 12:41:07 GMT -5
Any word if this is going to be a double-disc or a single disc? I ask because I just watched the Kevin Sullivan 1996 timeline and, while the first half was great, once we get to the nWo every thing seems rush-edited and awkwardly trimmed to make sure it fits on to a single 2:15 dvd. Really wish it would have been a bit longer. The cover of the dvd lists it as a double dvd set at 2 hours, 35 minutes so I'm guessing that second disc wouldn't have much (10-15 minutes). The second disc is an hour long, first disc an hour and a half, so they at least tried to split it evenly.
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Post by thetower52 on Aug 26, 2013 12:55:03 GMT -5
Apparently Chris Daniels only cares about having 4 star matches. No character for that guy. Russo's a pretty inaccurate cougher. It could of been the way Daniels was in WCW
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:24:45 GMT -5
Apparently Chris Daniels only cares about having 4 star matches. No character for that guy. Russo's a pretty inaccurate cougher. It could of been the way Daniels was in WCW Maybe, but Daniels had one match in WCW, hurt his neck during it, and was released a month later.
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Post by Chip on Aug 26, 2013 13:50:15 GMT -5
Apparently Chris Daniels only cares about having 4 star matches. No character for that guy. Russo's a pretty inaccurate cougher. It could of been the way Daniels was in WCW No, it was brought up in the context of TNA. He also brought up Generation Me/Young Bucks in the same rant.
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Post by Phil Parent on Aug 26, 2013 14:54:21 GMT -5
I saw it, it's a different view on the business for sure. Seems pretty genuine when he reports on his dealings with Hogan, though. That was good insight.
Liked his passion, reminded me of... Cornette, actually. They are just opposed in philosophy.
Anyways, this was his last wrestling interview. Can't wait to see Jim Cornette's return to Kayfabe Commentaries, they will announce something soon about that.
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 26, 2013 16:59:02 GMT -5
Just from what I've seen so far, it just cements in my mind that Russo really doesn't get it. He really has no idea, maybe never had any idea, what he was doing. I'm watching this. 20 minutes in and I want to punch this guy in the face. Saying it doesn't matter how good the matches are? That titles are meaningless? How did this guy get a job, and keep getting jobs?
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 26, 2013 17:43:59 GMT -5
Just from what I've seen so far, it just cements in my mind that Russo really doesn't get it. He really has no idea, maybe never had any idea, what he was doing. I'm watching this. 20 minutes in and I want to punch this guy in the face. Saying it doesn't matter how good the matches are? That titles are meaningless? How did this guy get a job, and keep getting jobs? I'm not watching it, so I can't comment on exactly what he's saying, but to a certain degree, he has a point. For example, was Hogan vs. Andre anything resembling a classic? Did Giant Baba ever put on really good matches? No, but they still drew like crazy. Hell, look at a ton of Attitude Era WWF, and be honest about the actual match quality...and then look at the crowd reactions and the money they were making. Also, look at the Attitude Era and honestly ask "did anybody care at all during this time who held almost any of the titles?" The answer is a resounding "no". That said, Russo oversimplifies when he says something like "match quality doesn't matter" (or however he says it). You obviously can't just trot garbage out there and expect a crowd to care. A crowd may not care so much about "workrate" in the sense a lot of us consider it, but a good match is made up of many components, and you can't just ignore them the way a guy like Russo seemed too inclined to do. Maybe the crowd doesn't care if the Rock can't do a lot of impressive moves or in-match psychology, but the crowd will sure as hell care if the Rock doesn't play to them or utilize crowd psychology, which is a big part of building a good match.
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Post by SOR on Aug 26, 2013 18:11:21 GMT -5
Ace was. Not sure where in the time line Storm and Russo crossed paths outside of Lance first coming over, but Russo's talking about him because of the three belt reference and Lance talking bad about him on his website and in interviews. Lance did and interview with RD Reynolds back in 07 where he said Ace told Russo to give him Lance and he'd be the biggest heel on the roster whereas Russo was gonna have him lead something like the Canadian World Order and Lance would always refer to it as the COW, coming across as stupid. Lance's response was "Why does everyone have to be stupid on these shows'? Anyway, Ace has control over Lance and I remember Lance being very over during that time. Russo signed off on it so I guess he just takes credit for helping Lance get over on TV. Lance wasn't that over. He did a cheap heat "Anti everywhere but Canada" gimmick and was an okay Upper Midcarder but that's about it. Apparently Chris Daniels only cares about having 4 star matches. No character for that guy. Russo's a pretty inaccurate cougher. To be fair that could be entirely true. I mean even in today's TNA he's just doing an "arrogant heel" gimmick with a prop in his hand. He is rather generic and looks wise he's incredibly generic. If he cared about more then good matches why doesn't he have an in shape body? Just from what I've seen so far, it just cements in my mind that Russo really doesn't get it. He really has no idea, maybe never had any idea, what he was doing. I'm watching this. 20 minutes in and I want to punch this guy in the face. Saying it doesn't matter how good the matches are? That titles are meaningless? How did this guy get a job, and keep getting jobs? Russo DOES get it. He isn't a Wrestling Writer or Booker. He doesn't care if Lance Storm and Mike Awesome go out and have a 30 minute classic. He cares about the entertainment and he's right, even I as a hardcore wrestling fan don't like to sit through long matches unless it's on PPV. I think most TV matches should be around the 6-8 minute mark with the main events going longer. I want interesting angles and television I don't particularly care if Wrestler A and Wrestler B have a great match. And surprisingly every casual wrestling fan I've ever come across has talked about how awesome it was when "X did this" and every single time it relates to an angle. The casual wrestling fan does not care about 5 star matches in the United States. If they did ROH would be in TNA's spot and TNA would probably be dead as would WWE.
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Post by Dean-o on Aug 26, 2013 18:23:30 GMT -5
Any idea who he's talking about starting around 5:29? Sounds like Lance Storm perhaps?
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