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Post by RIHT on Aug 13, 2013 22:32:16 GMT -5
With their match this Sunday, which would you rather have? Lesnar never leaving WWE and staying with what big plans they might have had for him, or Punk and his infamous pipebomb promo?
We've kind of seen what happened with Punk's pipebomb. Money in the Bank 2011 was amazing along with it's build, and 2011 was probably the best year in recent memory for WWE. But realistically, they still kind of screwed it up with Punk getting stale, Nash texting himself, no heel turns from HHH or Cena, Del Rio as champ, Punk returning after a week, Jericho jobbing, etc.
With Lesnar saying, rumors had it that he was going to turn face after Triple H came to Smackdown and cost him the title or something, with WM 21 having Lesnar vs. HHH for the WWE title, allowing Brock to be cemented as #1. Batista facing HHH kind of makes sense as they wanted HHH to face a monster big guy. Then again, maybe no JBL as champ....and that's really all I can think off as a loss. Maybe Cena wouldn't have become whatever he is now.
Either way, what's your pick?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 22:34:07 GMT -5
Lesnar staying.
Punk's promo was interesting, but in the end, it's just another worked shoot. Lesnar however was a freak of nature and his upside was endless. He embodied almost everything that WWE wanted in a top draw, and he definitely was all of that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 22:35:47 GMT -5
I'm going with Punk pipebombing not because I think that it was great or I even think Punk is all that awesome or anything but because Brock going to UFC and whipping ass somehow made him more threatening when he came back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 22:40:44 GMT -5
Pipebomb. Worked or not, it was fascinating to have them acknowledge different companies like that and the Cabana line was golden. I also enjoyed how they were able to blur the lines a bit. I'm a UFC fan and it was fantastic to see watch Lesnar fight there and it ultimately made him a superstar in a way that staying in WWE wouldn't have done.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 13, 2013 22:41:33 GMT -5
Lesnar staying, because 1) Cena would have eventually become the top guy anyway due to his psycho work ethic and him being able to deal with the limelight and promo appearances better than Lesnar could. Plus we would have got some more great Lesnar matches in his prime along the way. 2) In retrospect, Punk's pipebomb wasn't that shocking (oooh, he mentioned another company! And he made fun of the McMahons! Like every other face feuding with them!)
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Aug 13, 2013 22:42:56 GMT -5
is "Bo Dallas" the new "Snitsky" or something?
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Post by RIHT on Aug 13, 2013 22:45:14 GMT -5
is "Bo Dallas" the new "Snitsky" or something? Maybe so.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 13, 2013 22:45:25 GMT -5
My argument is to leave things as they were. Lesnar is so much more interesting as the ultimate crossover guy. If he had just stayed in WWE he'd have fallen into the trap that Batista did and Orton has where it's like there's this super over guy that's getting cycled in and out of main events and isn't all that special. By Lesnar leaving we get the moments and memories of his first run, we get how cool it was when he came back and that first month or so when they more/less booked him as the guy he was in UFC rather than Paul Heyman's mute goon as well as the entirety of Batista's run including Douchetista.
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Post by RIHT on Aug 13, 2013 22:48:05 GMT -5
My argument is to leave things as they were. Lesnar is so much more interesting as the ultimate crossover guy. If he had just stayed in WWE he'd have fallen into the trap that Batista did and Orton has where it's like there's this super over guy that's getting cycled in and out of main events and isn't all that special. By Lesnar leaving we get the moments and memories of his first run, w e get how cool it was when he came back and that first month or so when they more/less booked him as the guy he was in UFC rather than Paul Heyman's mute goon as well as the entirety of Batista's run including Douchetista. Definitely should've stayed more like this jock athlete douche who wanted money and made WWE feel like a sport. I love Paul Heyman, but WWE Lesnar works better with him than this new Lesnar. Also, I guess I could see how Lesnar could get boring, but you never know what WWE would've or could've done with him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 22:48:55 GMT -5
Yeah - as big and talented in the ring as Lesnar is, his promos capped his potential I think. He came along at a time when wrestling was already huge, so it didn't matter much then, but I don't see the crowd really getting on board with him as anything other than the Blaster to Heyman's Master - which he does very well.
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 13, 2013 22:49:55 GMT -5
I would rather have Punk's promo, because without it, he would probably be either out of WWE (maybe he would've left when his contract was up after MITB 2011?) or he'd probably be stuck in the midcard.
And I was never a huge Brock Lesnar fan to begin with, I actually like him better now than in his original WWE run.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 13, 2013 22:52:53 GMT -5
Why do we need either? Lesnar's got more of a mystique to him now thanks to his UFC success, and all Punk's pipebomb did was usher in a new era of late-WCW-esque worked shoots that we're still suffering from today.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 13, 2013 23:05:29 GMT -5
I personally believe the wrestling would be the same overall, either way.
People seem so convinced that if Brock had stayed, this wouldn't have been the John Cena Era, and I've never been so sure. Are people so certain Brock would've been his foil? Or even his #2? Could Brock have ever been a babyface at that level?
And after the pipebomb, Punk eventually got everything he wanted, and he's still only arguably #2 in the company....MAYBE. If the promo hadn't have happened, CM Punk supposedly leaves WWE, and nothing would be all that different.
I vote "Whatever".
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Aug 14, 2013 0:06:13 GMT -5
Brock sticking around.
Punk's promo was just him making the same cracks/criticisms that were all over the internet. And it meant nothing once Triple H and Nash got involved in the angle. I would have rather had some solid Brock matches throughout the years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 0:16:25 GMT -5
Brock sticking around.
Punk's promo was just him making the same cracks/criticisms that were all over the internet. And it meant nothing once Triple H and Nash got involved in the angle. I would have rather had some solid Brock matches throughout the years. I still contend that the WWE would be a completely different place right now if not for Punk's pipebomb. I think he opened WWE's eyes to not completely writing off anyone but the old guard. I'd rather have the pipe bomb. I think everything lined up really nicely in the end for Brock, it was totally surreal and awesome to see him kick ass in UFC for a while, and really the guy is such a unique talent, yet I think if he stuck in the WWE up to now it'd be easy to take him for granted like most guys end up in the nonstop world of WWE. Brock feels more special now than ever and as they continue to use him sparingly he hasn't lost his shine yet. His angles with Cena, Triple H and now CM Punk I don't think would have as much impact if it all took place in his six months and he just kept mowing through guys from there. Some people knock part timers but I really think it might slowly become the thing to do for a lot of guys,
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Post by hassanchop on Aug 14, 2013 1:49:56 GMT -5
is "Bo Dallas" the new "Snitsky" or something? Maybe so. What about Big E Langston or Mason Ryan?
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Post by slappy on Aug 14, 2013 2:08:06 GMT -5
Pipebomb. Was never a Lesnar fan.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 14, 2013 6:34:38 GMT -5
If Lesnar never left, then WWE wouldn't be so cautious and afraid to push people, and wouldn't Yo-yo book them to hell. Punk could then get pushed without having to resort to the pipebomb.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 14, 2013 7:25:59 GMT -5
Lesnar was/is great. But the pipebombing thing is something that I'm so glad happened REGARDLESS of all the crap that came shortly afterwards. Nothing WWE has done since has made me care so much about what they were doing, and they BLEW IT!
THEY BLEW IT!
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Aug 14, 2013 7:32:52 GMT -5
That promo is what launched Punk into the very upper echelon. He was the closest anyone had got to toppling Cena as face of the company for a long time. And being a big Punk fan, that means I see that one is more important. I like seeing Brock coming back and destroying shit, but he's never been one of my favourites and I never lost any sleep over him leaving.
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