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Post by Hurbster on Aug 15, 2013 9:37:39 GMT -5
Well Im in the super minority here but I hated the 09 Trek and Darkness was so bad I laughed. Id rather watch any of the next gen stuff and I never thought much of those. People roll their eyes when I tell them how much I loath JJ Abrams and I think to myself wait until they see the new Star Wars he makes. You know what ? I bet they will be awesome compared to the last 3 released Star Wars Films. And that list is just wrong. I liked Insurrection personally but Motion Picture and Generations are just rubbish, as is Final Frontier. I liked the reboot and I liked the latest one.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 15, 2013 10:18:59 GMT -5
Abrams Star Wars already won't be as shitty as the prequels, and his Trek movies have shown he can do sci fi action/humor etc.
Hell if anything he's MORE suited for Wars than Trek.
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Post by Young Game on Aug 15, 2013 10:31:38 GMT -5
By Grabthar's Hammer...what a load.
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Post by B'Cup x on Aug 15, 2013 12:10:58 GMT -5
So people who voted at a Star Trek Convention, and thus are likely rather big fans of the universe and likely know what theyre talking about, are being told that their opinions are wrong by a bunch of people on a wrestling forum? x
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 15, 2013 12:16:43 GMT -5
Given that a lot of us are also fans of that universe, and their reasoning for the most part is blatantly "reboots bad!"
Yep, they're wrong.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 15, 2013 12:19:25 GMT -5
Given that a lot of us are also fans of that universe, and their reasoning for the most part is blatantly "reboots bad!" Yep, they're wrong. They don't give a reasoning, though. The whole reboots issue is just 1 guy saying it. If we were to think of some, there could be some issues, namely the third act, that could make it qualify as a poor movie.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 15, 2013 12:22:28 GMT -5
And First Contact sucked. Yep. Didn't like it. In fact, I didn't care much for any of TNG movies, although I loved the show when I was younger. I will say that First Contact is the best out of TNG movies, but I'd still rank it only in the middle, only because so many others were just flat out god-awful.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 15, 2013 12:23:22 GMT -5
Given that a lot of us are also fans of that universe, and their reasoning for the most part is blatantly "reboots bad!" Yep, they're wrong. They don't give a reasoning, though. The whole reboots issue is just 1 guy saying it. If we were to think of some, there could be some issues, namely the third act, that could make it qualify as a poor movie. I'd also see some people voting for it for being an inferior version of Wrath of Khan and why watch it when you could just as easily watch Wrath of Khan.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 15, 2013 12:24:15 GMT -5
Tthough. The whole reboots iss If we were to think of some, there could be some issues, namely the third act, that could make it qualify as a poor movie. Fair nuff, but I think it's pretty clear, given that they slot a movie that's not even a Trek movie in there what they're going for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 13:33:54 GMT -5
I can understand if the twelth film in the franchise began with Captain Kirk complaining about how drafty the Enterprise is, but "Into Darkness" isn't that bad of a film.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 15, 2013 14:24:43 GMT -5
So people who voted at a Star Trek Convention, and thus are likely rather big fans of the universe and likely know what theyre talking about, are being told that their opinions are wrong by a bunch of people on a wrestling forum? x We, including those of us who are Star Trek fans, have different opinions than those that went to this particular convention? How dare we! There's no "knowing what they're talking about" when it comes to thinking what movie was better, it's not a trivia contest and there's no standard criteria to judge from. They don't give a reasoning, though. The whole reboots issue is just 1 guy saying it. If we were to think of some, there could be some issues, namely the third act, that could make it qualify as a poor movie. I'd also see some people voting for it for being an inferior version of Wrath of Khan and why watch it when you could just as easily watch Wrath of Khan. I could see people criticizing it for that reason, and I won't discount that there are people who really think it's the worst and that's their right, but it paints a really, really rosy picture of some of the awful movies that have come out under the Star Trek name to say that it was categorically the worst. Into Darkness was at worst, for me, a summer popcorn movie from a reboot that decided to abandon the exploration motif of the series for an action one. But it didn't take a big steaming pile on one of the core philosophies of the franchise like Insurrection did, it didn't consist of 75% padding like The Motion Picture did, it didn't feature the same massive plot holes and, to be blunt, character assassinations that Generations did, and it wasn't the ego-driven borefest that The Final Frontier was. ID had it's flaws, but the worst? That's being really generous to a lot of movies. Even the good Star Trek movies tend to be cheesy.
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 15, 2013 14:28:13 GMT -5
I haven't seen Into Darkness yet, but I wonder how much of the reasoning for this is "JJ Abrams is making Star Wars after making Star Trek movies, how dare he!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 16:02:56 GMT -5
Nemesis outranks Insurrection? Yeah. So it seems Trekkies are junkies. I thought Nemesis was better. I'm surprised some people here thought it was the worst, actually. I remember hating NEMESIS quite a bit at the time, mainly because of the development near the end. But it's aged to be more watchable. I just really enjoyed INSURRECTION a lot, and am proud of that.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 15, 2013 16:10:02 GMT -5
Worse than the terminally dull The Motion Picture? Worse than the overblown Insurrection? Worse than the ham-fisted Generations? Worse than the ridiculous The Final Frontier (Now there's a movie that dicks with continuity. Spock suddenly has a brother?)?
I don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 16:33:46 GMT -5
Well Im in the super minority here but I hated the 09 Trek and Darkness was so bad I laughed. Id rather watch any of the next gen stuff and I never thought much of those. People roll their eyes when I tell them how much I loath JJ Abrams and I think to myself wait until they see the new Star Wars he makes. You know what ? I bet they will be awesome compared to the last 3 released Star Wars Films. And that list is just wrong. I liked Insurrection personally but Motion Picture and Generations are just rubbish, as is Final Frontier. I liked the reboot and I liked the latest one. The Motion Picture is one of the best sci fi movies made but its not for everyone. I cant understand how the in the 09 Trek when Uhura isnt put on the Enterprise she throws a fit and gets reassigned. Yeah, that's how military/navel organization works. You just pick and choose what ship you want to be on. That was rubbish.
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 15, 2013 18:03:06 GMT -5
No rubbish is doing a boring blatant 2001 homag...rip-off. Honestly it was one of the dullest films I have seen.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 15, 2013 18:47:29 GMT -5
I cant understand how the in the 09 Trek when Uhura isnt put on the Enterprise she throws a fit and gets reassigned. Yeah, that's how military/navel organization works. You just pick and choose what ship you want to be on. That was rubbish. But Starfleet doesn't normally act like a military/naval organization. Hence why you see high-ranking Starfleet officers are parts of initial grounding parties, and why they take civilian women and children into unexplored, potentially hostile environments.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 15, 2013 19:07:39 GMT -5
I cant understand how the in the 09 Trek when Uhura isnt put on the Enterprise she throws a fit and gets reassigned. Yeah, that's how military/navel organization works. You just pick and choose what ship you want to be on. That was rubbish. But Starfleet doesn't normally act like a military/naval organization. Hence why you see high-ranking Starfleet officers are parts of initial grounding parties, and why they take civilian women and children into unexplored, potentially hostile environments. Plus, ya know, aliens. Reminds me of a dude I work with mentioning that he had the biggest problem with the Joes saying "OO-Rah" in Retaliation. I was asking him, "in a movie where an organization led by a dude with a chrome faceplate takes over the White House, and ninja battles on the mountains.. THAT was your problem with it?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:11:14 GMT -5
I cant understand how the in the 09 Trek when Uhura isnt put on the Enterprise she throws a fit and gets reassigned. Yeah, that's how military/navel organization works. You just pick and choose what ship you want to be on. That was rubbish. But Starfleet doesn't normally act like a military/naval organization. Hence why you see high-ranking Starfleet officers are parts of initial grounding parties, and why they take civilian women and children into unexplored, potentially hostile environments. Weapons, rules and regulations, missions and battles seems like military to me. Hey I want to fly the ship. What did you study at the academy? Thermodynamics? Ok your the pilot.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 15, 2013 19:43:32 GMT -5
These people are truly delusional if they think it's the worst. Obviously they've never had the pleasure of being bored to death by the original movie.
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