Where does Brock Lesnar rank?

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Aug 16, 2013 11:41:03 GMT -5 rybackrulez said:

Cain did not ko him, he stopped him with a barrage of punches and brock getting bloodied

Overeem ko'd him with a liver kick

Both of those men have multiple stoppages and respectable wins over great fighters. No shame at all in losing to them. Diverticulitis weakened brock so much, that and his insistance in standing with those two instead of grappling. But those losses are not something to be ashamed of.

I am sure harley race would have got wrecked by George Foreman in the seventies, and mike tyson would destroy haku in the eighties.

Never said that there was any shame at all. Brock can certainly take punches but, all things considered, his stand-up was his biggest problem and he was saved in his fight with Carwin. It was completely legal but one could definitely put in a case for Carwin getting a stoppage.

I don't think anyone in wrestling history has a chance against Lesnar; Danny Hodge was a more complete fighter and as tough as they come but the size difference and differences in training puts Brock at a huge advantage. Guys like Race or Meng might be tougher but they couldn't win a structured fight against Lesnar. Not sure about eye pulling or nose biting and all that in a street fight but then we'll never know, plus, as was mentioned earlier, Lesnar might just pull a knife or something, huntsman as he is.

Steiner in his prime would've been interesting, though Brock's size would likely win it for him.

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Aug 16, 2013 11:32:04 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

Aug 16, 2013 11:22:24 GMT -5 @rackzyder said:

Or Carwin would run out of gas even sooner because there's no stoppage between rounds and time to breathe in that imaginary scenario.

Velasquez knocked him out quickly. Carwin was hurting him and Brock's only option was turtling up and waiting for the Round to end. Carwin would've run out of gas but he likely needed only 10 seconds more to get a stoppage and, had it not been a title fight with Lesnar, he probably would've gotten the stoppage.

I like Brock and you can't dispute his accomplishments but he didn't show an extraordinary chin in his MMA career. It's a moot point because of the differences between an MMA fight and a street fight, however.

Bad chin is sustaining plenty of punchs from point blank distance and not getting knocked out and/or being able to continue and win? I see.

Half of the remaining post isn't even true and facts are twisted to suit your point as pointed in the post above. And even if it was all true, I've seen a lot more evidence of Brock being the man, a lot lot more than some urban legends about Haku or Harley Race can ever paint no matter how exaggerated they were or not.

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I just said that Brock would win in a structured fight with anyone in wrestling history.

And I never said that he had a weak chin, just that he had an average one. He was in a bad spot with Carwin, he was turtling up, and he did survive because of the bell but, as that's an aspect of the sport, there's nothing wrong with it.

Want to call me out on the fight with Overreem and Cain? Go ahead, I was wrong. He still was stopped against Cain. Don't be condescending towards me, however. I wasn't twisting the facts, I stated what I thought, I was wrong but don't tell me I'm doing it on purpose to talk bad a guy I just said I liked.

[rybackrulez]

He was eating bombs from carwin. Carwin never went to the second round in fughts before stoppin everybody in the first

Brock was defending, coverig his face and carwin was punching him more in the arms just repeatedly wasting energy trying to land haymakers on a guy blocking.

Cain measured and made sure to make each strike count.

Brock was good, if he started in mma and learned how to keep his pace and control guys and dominate more he would have been better.

Instead he became a "striker"

Urban Legends of guys like dick murdoch clearing out a bar. Eh

In a street fight i would take brock over anybody. He would take the guy down and rain down hammerfist. Or hit the guy with his sweet overhand right.

Guys trained to fight>drunk bar guy

Though alberto del rio and drew mac being jumped is a funny story

[Digital Witness]

There's very few men that I could see being able to hang with Brock in a fight, and even then, Brock's training gives him the advantage.

It would definitely be entertaining to see him brawl with one of the Steiner Bros or a Dr. Death Steve Williams. Inoki in his prime vs Brock in his prime would have been something for sure.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

How about Brock v Curt Hennig, in some random scenario, like on a plane, that would be awesome!

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

As an athlete? He might be the greatest in the history of wrestling. As a fighter? f*** knows. As someone has said, fighting dirty wasn't what Brock did for a living.

[Kevin Hamilton]

If you can destroy someone quickly enough, you don't have to/they aren't gonna have the option to fight dirty though.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Aug 16, 2013 11:21:01 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

Aug 16, 2013 11:09:48 GMT -5 @rackzyder said:

And the whole point is that even though Brock took a s*itload of punches he was never out and came back. That's not a definition of someone who can't take a punch.

He survived because the Round ended. In a real fight, Brock would've continued to turtle up until he lost consciousness (and I only say this in regards to someone like Carwin, who could conceivable knock him out) in that situation.

No, go watch the fight again. Brock survived because he got back up, and pushed an exhausted Carwin into a cage clench until the clock ran out. He then took him down in the next round instantly and tapped him.

Aug 15, 2013 22:38:51 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

It should be noted that Meng/Haku was a legitimate sumo wrestler and made it to about the third highest level you can be, almost becoming pro.

That didn't help Akebono in MMA, a legit Yokozuna.