CH Punk
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Post by CH Punk on Aug 19, 2013 22:49:37 GMT -5
Since I've re-started watching WWE in early 2011, WWE always seems like a quite upbeat and, generally, alright place (even if things are stacked for Cena, you could still be a midcarder and be happy/dominant), but, after tonight's Raw, it seems like they're pushing that the company is now some kind of authoritarian dictatorship, where the people who disagree are made examples of (ergo, really messed up).
So, has there ever been a moment recently where the entire company is dominated by heels and presented as being a dire place for a face (the closest that I can come up with is Triple H's no confidence, but there never really was any danger for not the main event)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 22:54:00 GMT -5
Nexus got like that on and off, but half the time it was just about Barrett wanting Cena to wash his back for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 22:55:55 GMT -5
I really like it, a place where babyfaces have to be defined by their actions against a completely sour & twisted anti-expressionist empire.
Cena never really had anything to prove, Bryan does, hell, any face team against The Shield does. You make the heels threatening and capable of succeeding more often than not and you give stories & characters worth.
It may not be deep writing, but it's compelling because I want to support underdogs who are held back, something which hasn't been a prevalent theme in WWE in a long time. I know people may say "CM Punk" but despite his WWE Summer ending rather quickly the guy was WWE Champion for over a year and is up there with Cena as one of THE guys, and in storyline terms always won stuff rather quickly (MITB x2, WHC x2, always a key heel before mid-2011, always a main event player since etc).
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Post by nickcave on Aug 19, 2013 23:15:41 GMT -5
Yeah it's kind of like a reverse Austin situation. Vince absolutely did not want Austin as the face of the company but Austin outsmarted him at every turn because he's STONE COLD!!!! Daniel Bryan is like the Peter Parker to Stone Cold's Wolverine character. Unlike Cena Bryan truly does have to overcome the odds in this scenario.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 19, 2013 23:17:17 GMT -5
It's like one of those corrupt a wish threads on here for smarkdom.
"You want more credible heels who aren't constantly humiliated and don't come across as losers? And you want CM Punk and Daniel Bryan to be big stars? Okay, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan will be the two top babyfaces in the company... while all the storylines are about dominant heels who always come out on top over them!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 23:22:33 GMT -5
Nexus got like that on and off, but half the time it was just about Barrett wanting Cena to wash his back for him. And at least you had a bunch of faces that could go against them and they were an outside force. This is an inside one. Worse yet, the guy behind it is still portrayed as being able to dominate like 98% of the current roster while having a chosen that can be booked over anyone. The McMahons appear reunited and the GM is a puppet. Pretty dire. Time for the Dead Man to add some muscle to a potential Bryan/Punk alliance? |
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Post by Cronant on Aug 19, 2013 23:33:11 GMT -5
For all the people that complained about overpowered faces, well now they have a strong heel group. However, Bryan and Punk and Ziggler are the faces, while Orton is a heel and Cena's out.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 19, 2013 23:35:16 GMT -5
Oh yeah... the enemy holds all the cards and the guys who'd be relied on to get them out of the darkness are either absent (Cena, Sheamus, Undertaker) or now part of the problem (Orton, Triple H).
I'm tentatively looking forward to how it all plays out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 23:41:00 GMT -5
Would love to see Brock turn face out of just having respect for Punk after their war and side with Dbry and Punk.
But regardless I am sure the rumor will probably end up being true with Vince turning face and him bringing The Rock back.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 19, 2013 23:52:07 GMT -5
That's why I'm loving this. I missed having a big evil mega heel stable towering over the roster while mad with power. I just hope there will be others to join Orton and the McMahons. Its safe to say The Shield are in, but I'd love to see Barrett, Real Americans, and maybe even AJ with Big E.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 20, 2013 0:00:06 GMT -5
That was what TV Tropes would call a "Wham Episode".
I don't mean to pick on TNA here as I've been mostly enjoying Impact lately, but they've had a nasty habit of being so heel dominanted and run by so many evil factions over the past 4 years that it's just not shocking anymore with them. With WWE, this is the first time in years where an evil force has truly taken 100% control- as opposed to a Nexus style outside invasion, or Johnny Ace misbehaving but irritating the rest of the board.
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