Who isn't a face in WWE right now?

[Nic Nemeth]

Even with the Orton turn, almost every active wrestler is a face and the ones that are heel are either jobbers or treated below the faces.

John Cena, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Big Show, Kane, RVD, Christian, Dolph Ziggler, Mark Henry, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus, Primetime Players, Usos, Tons of Funk, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, Alex Riley, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterio, Sin Cara, R-Truth, Tyson Kidd, Ted Dibiase, The Great Khali, Hornswoggle, Zack Ryder, Santino Marella, Yoshi Tatsu, Ricardo Rodriguez, Bo Dallas (arguable), Evan Bourne, and Undertaker

[Drillbit Taylor]

And yet all the titles are held by the Heels

[BigBadZ]

Aug 17, 2013 0:09:31 GMT -5 Razor Gives It A 4/10 said:

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

To be fair, a good chunk of those faces are either injured and/or non-entities.

I really don't believe in the whole "Heel turn fixes everything" jazz, because I feel a lot of them are actually doing great in their face roles, even the low card guys. I'm trying to figure out who could turn to balance it out.


I think the PTPs should go back to being heel once the hype over D-Young coming out dies down. Like Titus and Darren can do "Make it a Win You Losers" Part two. Like once they win the tag titles, D-Young can cut a scathing heel promo accusing the WWE universe of patronizing him:

"Unlike all of you, I'm not afraid to be my true self. You all hate the fact that someone like ME, can walk in here and accomplish things you can only dream of. You hate it, but you're too scared to admit it because you want to be Politically correct. You're too afraid to be "that guy" and speak your mind. You don't have to hate me because I'm different. You can hate me because I'm just flat out better than all of you."

Del Rio is the World Heavyweight Champion, but a huge problem I've noticed is the WHC always seems to be isolated in his own bubble away from everything else. It makes sense in terms of maintaining some semblance of the brand split, but it really limits him as well

Kofi Kingston should turn because not only would it be a new direction for him, it will create a void and allow others to step up. Someone like Riley, Gabriel, or Ted could step up into the new premier midcarder role.

R-Truth should go back to being Crazy Heel Truth. Maybe tone it down so that he doesn't get cheered, but let him still have that vicious streak.

3MB should get a decent heel push. Let them be credible tag AND singles competitors. Drew McIntyre and Heath Slater should be pushed to varying degree's of credibility. Heath can rule the undercard, while Drew should be pushed to Swagger and Cesaro's level: a solid midcard to upper midcard threat who can push shit in when needed.

Turn Yoshi and give him his mask and facepaint back. And give him Tensai's SKY LOW LOW, YOU GOT THE GUY theme song.

Either stop making Axel look like a fluke and make him look damn good as IC Champ or just pull the plug altogether.

[Chip]

I would love if they started pushing Wade as more of a threat, especially seeing as he has beef with Bryan he can easily get involved with the new Corporation.

[Nic Nemeth]

Aug 20, 2013 2:45:29 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

I think the PTPs should go back to being heel once the hype over D-Young coming out dies down. Like Titus and Darren can do "Make it a Win You Losers" Part two. Like once they win the tag titles, D-Young can cut a scathing heel promo accusing the WWE universe of patronizing him:

"Unlike all of you, I'm not afraid to be my true self. You all hate the fact that someone like ME, can walk in here and accomplish things you can only dream of. You hate it, but you're too scared to admit it because you want to be Politically correct. You're too afraid to be "that guy" and speak your mind. You don't have to hate me because I'm different. You can hate me because I'm just flat out better than all of you."

Their turn straight pisses me off, I was hoping WWE wouldn't go that route but they did. Why can't Darren Young just be a wrestler who happens to be gay? Why does he have to be a face now that gets the hot tag so the fans can feel good cheering an openly gay man? Why are they letting it affect his work life? I'd honestly prefer him staying his entertaining jobber self that would lose to Miz even with Titus O'Neil helping him.

[Deleted]

What, what, what?

When did the PTP stop being heels? Just because they wrestled one match against the Real Americans? SOMEONE has to play the face in most matches, let's not jump to conclusions.

[Nic Nemeth]

Aug 20, 2013 3:09:34 GMT -5 @rrnew said:

What, what, what?

When did the PTP stop being heels? Just because they wrestled one match against the Real Americans? SOMEONE has to play the face in most matches, let's not jump to conclusions.

Do you honestly think that after he came out, got the hot tag against a bigot tag team, and pandered to the crowd after winning that they're not going to go through with the turn?

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Aug 20, 2013 3:09:34 GMT -5 @rrnew said:

What, what, what?

When did the PTP stop being heels? Just because they wrestled one match against the Real Americans? SOMEONE has to play the face in most matches, let's not jump to conclusions.

Someone HAS to play the faces, yet they didn't use any of anyone else out of that big pool of readily available faces they had. They could use already established faces Ryder and Gabriel for some Foot Locker shill, but not put them in a match? Because of Riley's commentary gig, we know that he's present at the shows, and there's plenty of time for him to change out of his suit and into his gear.

Or stop demoting upper card guys to Superstars every week and put them on RAW so that there's room to fit the low card guys there instead.

[Deleted]

Hmmm...good point.

[Nic Nemeth]

Actually the more I watch the Los Matadores video, the more I think they might be faces so add Primo & Epico.

[Manute Bol]

Aug 20, 2013 3:05:38 GMT -5 Nic Nemeth said:

Aug 20, 2013 2:45:29 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

I think the PTPs should go back to being heel once the hype over D-Young coming out dies down. Like Titus and Darren can do "Make it a Win You Losers" Part two. Like once they win the tag titles, D-Young can cut a scathing heel promo accusing the WWE universe of patronizing him:

"Unlike all of you, I'm not afraid to be my true self. You all hate the fact that someone like ME, can walk in here and accomplish things you can only dream of. You hate it, but you're too scared to admit it because you want to be Politically correct. You're too afraid to be "that guy" and speak your mind. You don't have to hate me because I'm different. You can hate me because I'm just flat out better than all of you."

Their turn straight pisses me off, I was hoping WWE wouldn't go that route but they did. Why can't Darren Young just be a wrestler who happens to be gay? Why does he have to be a face now that gets the hot tag so the fans can feel good cheering an openly gay man? Why are they letting it affect his work life? I'd honestly prefer him staying his entertaining jobber self that would lose to Miz even with Titus O'Neil helping him.

That's a bit of an overreaction, but as soon as I saw Darren get the hot tag tonight I knew right away someone would say it was because the WWE was exploiting his sexuality in some way.

Maybe they just figured Darren Young was on a lot of people's radar this week and it would be the common sense thing to do to have him in a semi-prominent role for anyone who might be checking him out after hearing about him? Why does there have to be some scandalous motive behind everything? The announcers didn't even mention his coming out, so I don't where this business about fans "feeling good cheering an openly gay man" comes from. Odd. In fact, if tonight were any indication, Darren Young absolutely is simply a wrestler who just happens to be gay. Am I wrong here?

[Mista T]

Aug 20, 2013 3:09:34 GMT -5 @rrnew said:

What, what, what?

When did the PTP stop being heels? Just because they wrestled one match against the Real Americans? SOMEONE has to play the face in most matches, let's not jump to conclusions.

Darren Young's enthusiasm and playing to the crowd was as babyface as one without mic time can get lol.

Also, Cole, Lawler, JBL didn't mention any reasoning of why they are now faces or being cheered, but everyone knew...it was kind of awkward

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Aug 20, 2013 3:55:45 GMT -5 Manute Bol said:

Aug 20, 2013 3:05:38 GMT -5 Nic Nemeth said:

Their turn straight pisses me off, I was hoping WWE wouldn't go that route but they did. Why can't Darren Young just be a wrestler who happens to be gay? Why does he have to be a face now that gets the hot tag so the fans can feel good cheering an openly gay man? Why are they letting it affect his work life? I'd honestly prefer him staying his entertaining jobber self that would lose to Miz even with Titus O'Neil helping him.

That's a bit of an overreaction, but as soon as I saw Darren get the hot tag tonight I knew right away someone would say it was because the WWE was exploiting his sexuality in some way.

Maybe they just figured Darren Young was on a lot of people's radar this week and it would be the common sense thing to do to have him in a semi-prominent role for anyone who might be checking him out after hearing about him? Why does there have to be some scandalous motive behind everything? The announcers didn't even mention his coming out, so I don't where this business about fans "feeling good cheering an openly gay man" comes from. Odd. In fact, if tonight were any indication, Darren Young absolutely is simply a wrestler who just happens to be gay. Am I wrong here?

Maybe they could've just kept the PTPs as they were, but NOT being total jobbers? Let them win more often and/or book them strongly against higher profile opponents.

Or maybe they could've let D-Young and Titus as part of that final segment of the show. Let them do the Bryan beatdown instead of Shield Guys, since Shield Guys already made two other appearances in the show and did their part for the Corporation. Sure D-Young and Titus would still be bad guys, but then having them aligned with the McMahons/HHH/Orton collective would've achieved the same objective of showing the whole "hey look, this company is tolerant" thing without being so blatantly pandering about it.

WWE didn't turn them so the fans can "feel good about cheering", they turned him because they (and maybe some of the fans) feel that it's somehow "bad form" to boo him.

[No Name is needed Bro Beans]

I thought it was established that kane is not face or heel he's kane

[mrjl]

Aug 20, 2013 3:55:45 GMT -5 Manute Bol said:

Aug 20, 2013 3:05:38 GMT -5 Nic Nemeth said:

Their turn straight pisses me off, I was hoping WWE wouldn't go that route but they did. Why can't Darren Young just be a wrestler who happens to be gay? Why does he have to be a face now that gets the hot tag so the fans can feel good cheering an openly gay man? Why are they letting it affect his work life? I'd honestly prefer him staying his entertaining jobber self that would lose to Miz even with Titus O'Neil helping him.

That's a bit of an overreaction, but as soon as I saw Darren get the hot tag tonight I knew right away someone would say it was because the WWE was exploiting his sexuality in some way.

Maybe they just figured Darren Young was on a lot of people's radar this week and it would be the common sense thing to do to have him in a semi-prominent role for anyone who might be checking him out after hearing about him? Why does there have to be some scandalous motive behind everything? The announcers didn't even mention his coming out, so I don't where this business about fans "feeling good cheering an openly gay man" comes from. Odd. In fact, if tonight were any indication, Darren Young absolutely is simply a wrestler who just happens to be gay. Am I wrong here?

You haven't heard? Actually using publicity in a positive way is manipulative and makes the WWE writers incredibly uncreative