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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 20, 2013 10:39:33 GMT -5
He was made to tap out by Bryan just a few weeks ago and then shook his hand.
So is the viper using this corporate opportunity because he's being cowardly.....
or is he just the right pawn to shove in the storyline? If not either, what motive do you think they'll end up giving him (if any)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 12:03:47 GMT -5
I like to imagine it's a case of his character being so uncaring/unemotional about anything but himself and his goals, so his alignment with the McMahon Hunter Hearst Helmsley Regime is justified because he's the WWE champion.
The fact the commentary played up to the past storylines between Orton and all of the McMahons makes me pretty certain that is how they shall play it.
Very aware that can be seen as flawed writing but I mean, Randy Orton/Triple H/Vince McMahon and everyone involved with them is sold off as a scumbag who does things for their own personal gain against anything else, so I think it's alright.
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Post by The Trashman on Aug 20, 2013 12:05:25 GMT -5
I think his motivation was winning the title
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 20, 2013 12:06:33 GMT -5
I like to imagine it's a case of his character being so uncaring/unemotional about anything but himself and his goals, so his alignment with the McMahon Hunter Hearst Helmsley Regime is justified because he's the WWE champion. Very aware that can be seen as flawed writing but I mean, Randy Orton/Triple H/Vince McMahon and everyone involved with them is sold off as a scumbag who does things for their own personal gain against anything else, so I think it's alright. I know people have turned face after worse things and we are supposed to have short memories.... but turning people back from this seems rough. Orton sure can get mad at them and fight the corporation, but the fans should know he's one temptation away from doing it again. I'm sure I'm over analyzing, but HHH and Steph should be heels forever based on past actions. |
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Post by sunnytaker on Aug 20, 2013 12:07:07 GMT -5
3 of the 4 voices in his head told him it was a good idea. then they punted the 4th one to shut it up
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 20, 2013 12:10:12 GMT -5
I think his motivation was winning the title Right, I get that. Is Orton beyond layers at this point? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 12:10:25 GMT -5
I like to imagine it's a case of his character being so uncaring/unemotional about anything but himself and his goals, so his alignment with the McMahon Hunter Hearst Helmsley Regime is justified because he's the WWE champion. Very aware that can be seen as flawed writing but I mean, Randy Orton/Triple H/Vince McMahon and everyone involved with them is sold off as a scumbag who does things for their own personal gain against anything else, so I think it's alright. I know people have turned face after worse things and we are supposed to have short memories.... but turning people back from this seems rough. Orton sure can get mad at them and fight the corporation, but the fans should know he's one temptation away from doing it again. I'm sure I'm over analyzing, but HHH and Steph should be heels forever based on past actions. I completely agree with you, it is inherently flawed, but I suppose that can show the attraction of the stable. Even those who were in heated feuds with the entire family can be drawn in by their power. Plus as you said given the past of Triple H & Stephanie (and of course Mr Satan McMahon) they can never be faces, and never should, they've tried to have people killed/paralysed before... I don't think you're over analyzing either, it's worth thinking about for the sake of depth in this storyline. This actually interests me even more in the storyline actually, Orton does feel like a pawn but given his past with Evolution and his characters bastard like similarities to Cerebral Assassin era-Triple H I can buy it for now. |
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 20, 2013 13:45:34 GMT -5
3 of the 4 voices in his head told him it was a good idea. then they punted the 4th one to shut it up This is my personal canon. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 20, 2013 14:41:22 GMT -5
It's never outright stated in these instances, but like in Austin vs. Rock with Vince helping Austin win, the underpinning story is that deep down the face who is turning heel doesn't believe he can beat his opponent on his own. Orton lost to Bryan a few weeks ago, and deep down he feels that in a fair match he wouldn't be able to beat Daniel Bryan. Coming off his neck surgery and a loss to Triple H, Austin didn't think he could beat Rock at Mania. Which is why one of the more baffling examples of this to me was when ultimate goody two-shoes AJ Styles turned heel by using Ric Flair's interference to retain his title against Kurt Angle in 2010, literally 6 days after he beat Angle clean in the middle of the ring.
Also Orton hasn't been a champion since September 2011, and hasn't been WWE Champion since November 2010.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 20, 2013 14:54:11 GMT -5
Trips: you can get behind this idea, right, Randy?
Orton: *thinking* "...but I don't know what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggs..."
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Post by Razor Gives It A 4/10 on Aug 20, 2013 15:33:55 GMT -5
When Orton shook Bryan's hand, it was before Money In The Bank. Before he won the briefcase and before Bryan was given the #1 contendership. I'm sure Orton was jealous, in kayfabe, that he was not chosen, in his mind and apparently in Vince/Stephanie/HHH's minds, so they made sure Cena or Bryan would pay after Summerslam.
Plus Orton has always played second fiddle most of his career, so with the offer of finally being "the man" was enticing enough for Orton to get help to cash in and win.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 20, 2013 17:00:07 GMT -5
I know people have turned face after worse things and we are supposed to have short memories.... but turning people back from this seems rough. Orton sure can get mad at them and fight the corporation, but the fans should know he's one temptation away from doing it again. I don't think it'd be too hard. As a babyface, Orton was always played as a ruthless antihero. People cheered him because they thought he was a badass, not because they thought he was a not-terrible person. Just point him at a worse heel, and I can see crowds rallying behind Randy again. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 20, 2013 17:01:34 GMT -5
I know people have turned face after worse things and we are supposed to have short memories.... but turning people back from this seems rough. Orton sure can get mad at them and fight the corporation, but the fans should know he's one temptation away from doing it again. I don't think it'd be too hard. As a babyface, Orton was always played as a ruthless antihero. People cheered him because they thought he was a badass, not because they thought he was a not-terrible person. Just point him at a worse heel, and I can see crowds rallying behind Randy again. Yeah but now he's weaselly. That's a different kind of heel. Hugging the boss? That's hardly badass. |
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