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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 8:23:38 GMT -5
Bad guy is mean, gets taken down by good guy. Rinse and repeat. ..........but the period of time where the bad guy is mean, without comeuppance, has extended greatly. Ryback's been a bully prick for a month now, to a bunch of nobody stagehands. Has anyone given him sh*t back or whooped his ass for what he's been doing? No. You let a bully be a bully for a long time with no beating or even a lesson learned moment, and it presents the image that being a bully means you can get away with it and do whatever you want. People are reacting badly to the WWE going on and on with that. The HHH/Bryan thing, though....I didn't think of that one as bullying, probably because the point of the feud isn't "I'm a bully, you're the victim, lol" and that Bryan has a chance to regularly get back at them. Hmm, that almost sounds like, y'know....real life? Bullies usually don't get their come uppance right away. That's life. WWE are actually portraying it realistically instead of making something up. And even if you look at it from a ficticious standpoint. Do the bad guys get defeated in the first act of the movie? No. Do the villains get taken down at the start of the TV series or at the end? Right, the end. WWE is the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 8:45:11 GMT -5
..........but the period of time where the bad guy is mean, without comeuppance, has extended greatly. Ryback's been a bully prick for a month now, to a bunch of nobody stagehands. Has anyone given him sh*t back or whooped his ass for what he's been doing? No. You let a bully be a bully for a long time with no beating or even a lesson learned moment, and it presents the image that being a bully means you can get away with it and do whatever you want. People are reacting badly to the WWE going on and on with that. The HHH/Bryan thing, though....I didn't think of that one as bullying, probably because the point of the feud isn't "I'm a bully, you're the victim, lol" and that Bryan has a chance to regularly get back at them. Hmm, that almost sounds like, y'know....real life? Bullies usually don't get their come uppance right away. That's life. WWE are actually portraying it realistically instead of making something up. And even if you look at it from a ficticious standpoint. Do the bad guys get defeated in the first act of the movie? No. Do the villains get taken down at the start of the TV series or at the end? Right, the end. WWE is the same. Bah, damned encroaching realism......back to real life with ye! But if damnable realism is to come into play, then note that we now live in a very anti-bully world. The thought of bullies is sickening to a generation raised to believe they are evil, not to be tolerated at all and must be punished and cast out of society. For older kids and adults, we remember when bullying was commonplace - disliked, yes, but kinda tolerated. Hell, I was bullied from time to time so I sure do remember it. But kids these days (shakes fist) don't know that and can't believe that is allowable in their world today. The WWE is written by either guys who remember that world and haven't adapted to the new age of thinking, or......well, let's face it, guys who have been or still are bullies themselves. However, on the same hand they write Ryback bullying people backstage, the WWE proudly endorses their anti-bullying campaign. They can't have it all these different ways. Getting called out on a blatant bullying story, that seemingly has no point other than to show a guy bullying people, seems fair to me. (And if there is a point, then get to it quick - because kids these days also have no attention span, so this Ryback thing has been going on FOREVER to them.)
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 21, 2013 8:46:54 GMT -5
if we're going to complain about bullying, complaining about the begining of a story arc that will probably end with the bully getting their comeuppance is hardly the place to be. if you want to complain about bullying just look at how the company treats Vickie Guerrero or that very unfunny time Vince mocked JR's Bell's Palsy.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 21, 2013 8:57:02 GMT -5
..........but the period of time where the bad guy is mean, without comeuppance, has extended greatly. Ryback's been a bully prick for a month now, to a bunch of nobody stagehands. Has anyone given him sh*t back or whooped his ass for what he's been doing? No. You let a bully be a bully for a long time with no beating or even a lesson learned moment, and it presents the image that being a bully means you can get away with it and do whatever you want. People are reacting badly to the WWE going on and on with that. The HHH/Bryan thing, though....I didn't think of that one as bullying, probably because the point of the feud isn't "I'm a bully, you're the victim, lol" and that Bryan has a chance to regularly get back at them. Hmm, that almost sounds like, y'know....real life? Bullies usually don't get their come uppance right away. That's life. WWE are actually portraying it realistically instead of making something up. And even if you look at it from a ficticious standpoint. Do the bad guys get defeated in the first act of the movie? No. Do the villains get taken down at the start of the TV series or at the end? Right, the end. WWE is the same. Yep. Let's take a look at the original Star Wars trilogy. D-Bry's rise to the top, and beating Cena could be seen as A New Hope, that's just act 1. Now we're in Empire, Act 2, where the Empire just beat the Rebellion down. This will go on for awhile, just like D-Bry's rise started before Cena chose him as an opponent. In a few months we'll get to Act 3, and the Return of the Jedi portion of the story. D-Bry takes down the Corporation and stands victorious. It's a journey, and a journey is longer than 2 steps.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 9:06:56 GMT -5
Hmm, that almost sounds like, y'know....real life? Bullies usually don't get their come uppance right away. That's life. WWE are actually portraying it realistically instead of making something up. And even if you look at it from a ficticious standpoint. Do the bad guys get defeated in the first act of the movie? No. Do the villains get taken down at the start of the TV series or at the end? Right, the end. WWE is the same. Bah, damned encroaching realism......back to real life with ye! But if damnable realism is to come into play, then note that we now live in a very anti-bully world. The thought of bullies is sickening to a generation raised to believe they are evil, not to be tolerated at all and must be punished and cast out of society. For older kids and adults, we remember when bullying was commonplace - disliked, yes, but kinda tolerated. Hell, I was bullied from time to time so I sure do remember it. But kids these days (shakes fist) don't know that and can't believe that is allowable in their world today. The WWE is written by either guys who remember that world and haven't adapted to the new age of thinking, or......well, let's face it, guys who have been or still are bullies themselves. However, on the same hand they write Ryback bullying people backstage, the WWE proudly endorses their anti-bullying campaign. They can't have it all these different ways. Getting called out on a blatant bullying story, that seemingly has no point other than to show a guy bullying people, seems fair to me. (And if there is a point, then get to it quick - because kids these days also have no attention span, so this Ryback thing has been going on FOREVER to them.) ....which is why Ryback is a bad guy. He's getting chasticised for his actions. It's not like Cole is saying "Haha, how great is Ryback?!" after every bullying incident. As for the storyline having no point, it seems almost guaranteed that this gimmick is going to lead to him being taken down by someone. I just think you are looking at this whole thing completely the wrong way. WWE aren't glorifying Ryback's actions in the slightest. They've clearly laid out he's a jerk and a bully whose actions are wrong. Them promoting their Be A Star campaign isn't hypocritical at all. Oh and on the subject of kids attention spans, I don't think you're giving them enough credit. I had no trouble following storylines for a decent amount of time when I was a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 11:17:34 GMT -5
Whenever I hear parents make these complains, this is exactly what I imagine they would like for the show to be "Lemonade?"
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 21, 2013 17:36:47 GMT -5
Hmm, that almost sounds like, y'know....real life? Bullies usually don't get their come uppance right away. That's life. WWE are actually portraying it realistically instead of making something up. And even if you look at it from a ficticious standpoint. Do the bad guys get defeated in the first act of the movie? No. Do the villains get taken down at the start of the TV series or at the end? Right, the end. WWE is the same. Bah, damned encroaching realism......back to real life with ye! But if damnable realism is to come into play, then note that we now live in a very anti-bully world. The thought of bullies is sickening to a generation raised to believe they are evil, not to be tolerated at all and must be punished and cast out of society. We live in a NOMINALLY anti-bully world. In practice most people are hypocrites about it, most anti-bullying organizations do nothing to solve the problem (oh! it gets better so just wait it it out kid ^_^) because they don't understand the real source of the problem (insecurity issues on the part of the bully that noone cares to treat being the main thing thats missed), and basically nothing actually gets accomplished. Don't want to make the whole thread about this, but the failures of the so called anti-bullying programs that exist is a big deal to me as someone who went through bullying in school and knows how terrible school systems are at identifying it and stopping it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 18:00:44 GMT -5
I think it's interesting. I'd say The Hunner Administration vs. Daniel Bryan storyline does have elements of bullying in it. Bryan isn't the underdog because he's not a physical match for Randy Orton, but because Randy Orton has people with real money and power behind him. It's like Dolph Ziggler said, Orton's got "The Machine" helping him.
Hell, most of Raw this week was dedicated to them throwing their weight around using The Shield. Bullies aren't always just physically imposing like Ryback, a lot of the time you've got bullies just because they've got a hell of a lot more money and abstract power than everyone under them. It seems a little easier when the bully is larger than you are, but if the bully's got money, power and influence? Well, you're shit out of luck because who punishes those bullies?
I think the endgame of it could be interesting, but probably won't be.
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