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Post by Emmet Russell on Aug 30, 2013 0:05:42 GMT -5
I'm just hoping he developes a full-on Bi-Polar gimmick where his mood changes drastically each week. It's the only logical move.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 30, 2013 0:14:05 GMT -5
I'm just hoping he developes a full-on Bi-Polar gimmick where his mood changes drastically each week. It's the only logical move. He could occasionally talk to "Other AJ" ala Barry Dylan.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 30, 2013 1:01:42 GMT -5
I liked how the crowd was cheering Bobby Roode the whole time.
Really hope styles does not win the gauntlet. Talk about a flat promo.
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Post by grunt on Aug 30, 2013 1:10:31 GMT -5
So he went from Crow AJ only out for money and the title to CM Styles who hates TNA and Dixie but wants to win the title to better the company. Thoughts? That's not really what I got from it. The progression is more "AJ who feels exploited and underappreciated, despite years of breaking his back for the company and always being there to "save" the company during rough patches" -> "AJ who decides not to give a damn anymore about the company, and to be in it for the money" -> "AJ who realizes that he is somewhat of a famewhore, and that he gets a kick at being the one that can make the difference in any situation, and get the job done". He's still in it for himself, cos he loves to feel needed by others (hence him giving a hand to the MEM when nobody else would, and Sting was begging right & left), and he'll go after the title, because he knows he's the best. Seems to me it was always the endgame : if the Angle thing hadn't happenned, AJ wouldn't have helped the MEM, but we would probably have ended at the same point after BFG : it would have probably been something along the lines of Magnus over Styles in the finals, Magnus fails to beat Ray @ BFG, Hogan turns to AJ, asks him for help, and there you go, back to this promo.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 30, 2013 1:17:49 GMT -5
That promo he cut was really flat and pretty much murdered any momentum he might've had after last week's angle.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 30, 2013 2:21:13 GMT -5
Pretty much putting him in the main event of bfg for the billionth time would be boring.
Aries/Bully is a fresh match that has not been done
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Post by Error on Aug 30, 2013 2:24:32 GMT -5
Pretty much putting him in the main event of bfg for the billionth time would be boring. Aries/Bully is a fresh match that has not been done They did Aries/Bully I think 3 times last year and Aries won them all. It was whole point behind Aries stealing the Suicide gimmick to get the X title, he knew he could beat Bully since he had done it so many times in the past.
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 30, 2013 2:30:12 GMT -5
I actually liked the promo a bit, but there was no way it would go over well. Just a terrible pivot turn by TNA booking.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 30, 2013 2:58:53 GMT -5
I don't know if it was quite that, but it wasn't so far off. At least AJ's promo had some good bits in word if not execution. Still...oof. When the crowd goes from chanting your name at the start to crickets and what-ing, that's not a great sign.
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Post by jimmyjames on Aug 30, 2013 2:59:24 GMT -5
You know they were going for a "pipebomb" promo, but it was really schizophrenic and all over the place. It's like they tried to cram as much as possible, the rumors of AJ not resigning, the reasons for Crow AJ, then the flip but, and those reasons why, into an eight minute promo. I know this whole Kurt Angle rehab has really krunked everything up for this angle, but they had two weeks to do this, the writers should have come up with something better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 8:32:55 GMT -5
I don't know if it was quite that, but it wasn't so far off. At least AJ's promo had some good bits in word if not execution. Still...oof. When the crowd goes from chanting your name at the start to crickets and what-ing, that's not a great sign. It was crazy because he was really over, then that promo was just NOT what anyone wanted. It was a pretty smart crowd that was up on things and knew the storylines and all that, so a lot of people saw through the "shoot" thing as a poor man's CM Punk/Daniel Bryan/AJ Lee. And people that didn't were pretty much "shut up you pussy!" Man TNA is just...not great with pacing, emphasis, flow, things like that. I can understand AJ went from babyface phenomenal workhorse to selfish brooding dick to being phenomenal again but this DTA cocky tweener guy. But the first part went on too long with no real development, and the change happened too suddenly, and in the end it's this big leap for a small character change. AJ was already kind of a dick before all this anyway, he can't help it.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 30, 2013 9:14:26 GMT -5
That was a horrible promo. I have never heard him cut a decent interview. He has everything else he needs but the guy just can't string together coherent promos. Not Ultimate Warrior bad, but pretty bad. His come back promo was met with a mix of apathy and a mild pop because he is AJ Styles. He needs a scripted promos
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 9:24:59 GMT -5
To be fair, the crowd didn't give Styles much of a chance. They were getting restless within a minute of the promo. The WWE crowds tend to let these sort of things happen organically without getting involved, while this particular crowd was chanting "wrap it up" and other things at Styles before he even got to the meat of the promo.
Promos are definitely AJ's weakness. The "worked shoot" aspect wasn't as bad as AJ Lee's (bad in the sense of kayfabe killing) because he worked it into the current storyline rather than just mindlessly "shooting" for no reason. The content was fine, if not rushed, but his delivery wasn't great and the crowd wasn't feeling it.
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Post by BatPunk on Aug 30, 2013 9:39:26 GMT -5
The crowd killed it. If the crowd was into it like a WWE crowd tends to really lap promo's like this up, it would have made a world of difference.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 30, 2013 10:25:58 GMT -5
Am I the only one that liked the promo? I'm not even a big fan of his on the mic, but he went hard. Hell, halfway through, my disbelief went out the window and I was sitting there thinking "I seriously hope they had him re-sign before they let him go in on the company like that."
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Post by comahan on Aug 30, 2013 10:53:21 GMT -5
I enjoyed the promo. It's AJ Styles so I didn't expect a masterpiece, but I thought it told a decent story, gave reason for whats happened, and set him up well for the future.
I don't agree with any of the people saying that they just tried for a pipebomb type promo - the Aries heel turn before BFG last year was an attempt at that sort of thing, but not this - because this has been the story from the start. When AJ went away for several months, he did so saying that he was tired of being the company guy and always doing the right thing by them. So he came back out for himself, not for the company but for the money, and that's basically what the promo outlined. It wasn't some worked shoot that came out of nowhere to try and get instant buzz, it felt - to me at least - like a promo thats been coming for almost a year now, and is natural progression in how AJ has acted the past year.
Now as to whether or not other people liked it, thats not for me to say, obviously. But I don't think its fair to just label it a Punk/AJ Lee ripoff as some have done.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 30, 2013 11:39:46 GMT -5
The crowd killed it. If the crowd was into it like a WWE crowd tends to really lap promo's like this up, it would have made a world of difference. A WWE crowd would had been more brutal to Style's promo. AJ is not someone who can do a work shoot promo. What makes a work shoot promo works if the person believes in what he is saying and convey those emotions to everyone listening. AJ came off as someone who was trying to remember the bullet points of his script and didn't believe the words coming out of his mouth. While he is never a go to guy for promos, he can do a good babyface one. Last night, he had the crowd in the beginning. Went into shoot mode and lost them. And in the end, turned them against him. Not because of the heel tendencies but because the promo went all over the place.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 30, 2013 11:42:36 GMT -5
The crowd killed it. If the crowd was into it like a WWE crowd tends to really lap promo's like this up, it would have made a world of difference. If it was a guy who wasn't pushed hard all the time and didn't suck at promos it would make sense. But TNA has too much 50/50 booking where a guy who is a multiple time champ and a grand slam winner and a guy who main evented bfg saying he is tired of "being held down" The guy who should have cut that promo should have been Sabin. Really giving aj the shot at bound for glory now would be bullshit
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 30, 2013 12:24:40 GMT -5
I don't know if it was quite that, but it wasn't so far off. At least AJ's promo had some good bits in word if not execution. Still...oof. When the crowd goes from chanting your name at the start to crickets and what-ing, that's not a great sign. It was crazy because he was really over, then that promo was just NOT what anyone wanted. It was a pretty smart crowd that was up on things and knew the storylines and all that, so a lot of people saw through the "shoot" thing as a poor man's CM Punk/Daniel Bryan/AJ Lee. And people that didn't were pretty much "shut up you pussy!" Man TNA is just...not great with pacing, emphasis, flow, things like that. I can understand AJ went from babyface phenomenal workhorse to selfish brooding dick to being phenomenal again but this DTA cocky tweener guy. But the first part went on too long with no real development, and the change happened too suddenly, and in the end it's this big leap for a small character change. AJ was already kind of a dick before all this anyway, he can't help it. While I honestly didn't mind the promo that much (it certainly could've been executed better, but I liked the idea behind it), I by and large agree with your point here. Over the past couple of years, I've usually credited TNA for being better than WWE at putting a progressing storyline together that has a beginning and an end in mind. We can all point out where we felt they went wrong at times, but for the most part things happen, things are booked for a reason, etc. It's a lot more logical most of the time than people give it credit for. However, what WWE is invariably better at is pacing something so that it doesn't feel too abrupt...sometimes to a fault, when they just feel boring, but there's definitely something to be said for allowing something to breathe. It's certainly easier for WWE to do something like that than TNA; it's a more established company with a very "by the numbers" system of putting on a TV show, with a much more stable roster than TNA has. However, TNA should learn to do better in that regard. Did Angle going to rehab force them to change some things? Of course it did, no avoiding it...but there are better ways to work around something than giving in to an urge to hot-shot a moment or thinking you can cram a few months worth of story progression into one promo. AJ didn't need to give us exposition, but it sounded like they wanted him to when frankly all he had to do was say what his motivation was. That's breaking flow, and that's not good for TV. So yeah, I really didn't mind the promo in totem, but the issue was more how it broke up the flow of the story and character progression. That said, to me this is still infinitely preferable to AJ suddenly being Phenomenal again and joining the Mafia or whatever. That would've just been terrible.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 30, 2013 13:22:38 GMT -5
To me, the promo just went too long. AJ isn't a horrible promo guy but he really cannot carry a promo for that long.
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