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Post by laker8kiss on Aug 24, 2013 13:52:12 GMT -5
I just saw Vince saying goodbye to Macho Man back in the 90' on RAW. He thanked him, wished him well, and god speed. To my recollection he has never publically trashed Macho and other than when he chokes up about his dad, when was the last time Vince was genuine about someone leaving?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 24, 2013 14:34:37 GMT -5
I just saw Vince saying goodbye to Macho Man back in the 90' on RAW. He thanked him, wished him well, and god speed. To my recollection he has never publically trashed Macho and other than when he chokes up about his dad, when was the last time Vince was genuine about someone leaving? I dunno, the billionaire Ted\Huckster\Nacho man skits seemed like a pretty public trashing of Macho. While Vince himself wasn't an on camera part of those skits, you can tell they were his brainchild as he's used 'comedy skits' on WWF/E programming as a bully pulpit to cram his views/agenda down the audience's throat on several occasions since then. |
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Post by chazraps on Aug 24, 2013 16:51:28 GMT -5
I just saw Vince saying goodbye to Macho Man back in the 90' on RAW. He thanked him, wished him well, and god speed. To my recollection he has never publically trashed Macho and other than when he chokes up about his dad, when was the last time Vince was genuine about someone leaving? I dunno, the billionaire Ted\Huckster\Nacho man skits seemed like a pretty public trashing of Macho. While Vince himself wasn't an on camera part of those skits, you can tell they were his brainchild as he's used 'comedy skits' on WWF/E programming as a bully pulpit to cram his views/agenda down the audience's throat on several occasions since then. Well, that was a solid 14 months later. TO answer the OP, this doesn't necessarily coincide with someone leaving, but Vince does essentially admit to being wrong for Triple H going over ECW champ Tazz on Smackdown. |
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Post by SOR on Aug 24, 2013 19:51:29 GMT -5
He's never trashed Macho but he's never really honored him either except for a DVD and probably a doll.
Definitely should of been in the Hall Of Fame. Don't know if WWE did a tribute show after he passed away for him but that should of been done also.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 24, 2013 20:00:55 GMT -5
He's never trashed Macho but he's never really honored him either except for a DVD and probably a doll. Definitely should of been in the Hall Of Fame. Don't know if WWE did a tribute show after he passed away for him but that should of been done also. They did a really nice video package for him, and even spent a little change licensing a Coldplay song for it. Even if they weren't on the outs, an entire tribute show was never going to happen. They've only done, what, four of those - ever - and all four came the day after a major current star of theirs passed away (Pillman, Owen, Eddie, Benoit). |
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Post by BigBadZ on Aug 25, 2013 1:27:35 GMT -5
He's never trashed Macho but he's never really honored him either except for a DVD and probably a doll. Definitely should of been in the Hall Of Fame. Don't know if WWE did a tribute show after he passed away for him but that should of been done also. As Madison said, they made a very touching tribute video that they played on an episode of Raw. I'm might be wrong, but I cannot remember a single other deceased former superstar to get a video made instead of the "In memory of" picture before Raw starts. Paul Bearer got one but he has made many appearances over the years. As for the Hall of Fame, Lanny said that Randy wanted his family to go in with him (Lanny and their father), or he wouldn't do it. While I respect Randy's wishes, I can't help but be selfish and want Savage to be part of it regardless. It just makes me sad that Macho Man won't be there to give his speech. |
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Aug 25, 2013 7:44:02 GMT -5
this is right around the time he was in court a lot too, was it not? he must've been a walking mess of all sorts of emotions that sound amazing to be around.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 25, 2013 7:48:07 GMT -5
I just saw Vince saying goodbye to Macho Man back in the 90' on RAW. He thanked him, wished him well, and god speed. To my recollection he has never publically trashed Macho and other than when he chokes up about his dad, when was the last time Vince was genuine about someone leaving? I dunno, the billionaire Ted\Huckster\Nacho man skits seemed like a pretty public trashing of Macho. While Vince himself wasn't an on camera part of those skits, you can tell they were his brainchild as he's used 'comedy skits' on WWF/E programming as a bully pulpit to cram his views/agenda down the audience's throat on several occasions since then. When Vince made that speech on Raw, he probably had no idea that Savage wold turn up a few weeks later in WCW. |
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 25, 2013 7:58:11 GMT -5
He's never trashed Macho but he's never really honored him either except for a DVD and probably a doll. Definitely should of been in the Hall Of Fame. Don't know if WWE did a tribute show after he passed away for him but that should of been done also. As Madison said, they made a very touching tribute video that they played on an episode of Raw. I'm might be wrong, but I cannot remember a single other deceased former superstar to get a video made instead of the "In memory of" picture before Raw starts. Paul Bearer got one but he has made many appearances over the years. As for the Hall of Fame, Lanny said that Randy wanted his family to go in with him (Lanny and their father), or he wouldn't do it. While I respect Randy's wishes, I can't help but be selfish and want Savage to be part of it regardless. It just makes me sad that Macho Man won't be there to give his speech. Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if the family reason was the reason why Macho didn't make it into the Hall, at least if Lanny was included. And since others mentioned it. WWE changed the song when posting it online, the original had The Scientist. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 25, 2013 8:23:15 GMT -5
On The World's Greatest Wrestling Managers DVD, you could tell Vince genuinely loves Arnold Skaaland and Bobby Heenan. He's practically glowing as he describes their work and personalities.
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 25, 2013 21:26:13 GMT -5
On The World's Greatest Wrestling Managers DVD, you could tell Vince genuinely loves Arnold Skaaland and Bobby Heenan. He's practically glowing as he describes their work and personalities. I think he feels the same about Gorilla Monsoon and Lou Albano as well. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 26, 2013 11:17:43 GMT -5
I've said this elsewhere, but when I read Bret Hart's autobiography I realized that, were a movie adaptation made, the guy who played Vince could just waltz to a Best Supporting Actor win, because he's such a strange, thoroughly unique person.
I always found Vince to be pretty thoroughly reprehensible, but in reading that book, what hit me was that McMahon IS a pretty horrid guy...but he comes off as a man who has, for lack of a better term, a "fear of hell". Like, there's this small part of Vince that wants to be remembered as a good person, somebody who used all the power he grabbed and companies he effectively shut down to nevertheless do something positive, yet his shark-like sense of business would never really allow it.
In that sense, I think he's had a number of moments over the decades where he's been "genuine"; I think he was being genuine in the numerous cases where he'd pretty under-the-radar pay for an ex-wrestler's stint in rehab, or what have you. Those were those moments where that human side of him tried to express itself.
Either way, again: cake walk to an Oscar nod, I'm tellin' ya.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:50:03 GMT -5
I dunno, the billionaire Ted\Huckster\Nacho man skits seemed like a pretty public trashing of Macho. While Vince himself wasn't an on camera part of those skits, you can tell they were his brainchild as he's used 'comedy skits' on WWF/E programming as a bully pulpit to cram his views/agenda down the audience's throat on several occasions since then. When Vince made that speech on Raw, he probably had no idea that Savage wold turn up a few weeks later in WCW. It was my understanding that Savage made his unhappy position on being a part-time wrestler very vocal to Vince his last 2 years, and that it was THE factor in him leaving. Always bothered me, too, that Macho was not to be an active part of The New WWF Generation....even though Bret was a key player of it, and he'd been with the WWF as long as Savage had. As Madison said, they made a very touching tribute video that they played on an episode of Raw. I'm might be wrong, but I cannot remember a single other deceased former superstar to get a video made instead of the "In memory of" picture before Raw starts. Captain Lou got one. To be fair, both Lou and Savage deserved the extended tributes they got, as their deaths really reached out into the mainstream of pop culture and society more than any wrestler else to date (especially Savage). And before both of these, Vince (in the midst of that 1999 Corporation/HHH/WWF champion foolishness) voiced Gorilla's video tribute. |
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 26, 2013 15:29:08 GMT -5
Well, for those, keep in mind that it also came out the biggest reason for the Savage feud [and which, given timing and how Vince changed his tune, makes sense] was also that when Savage left the company, Slim Jim [at the time, the biggest sponsor that WWF had] chose to pull out of advertising for WWF for WCW in favor of keeping Savage as a spokesman- which made Savage an even bigger blow to the company. Considering that Slim Jim started advertising for WWE the year before again and WWE worked together, it seemed more likely that eventually it would have led to his induction.
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Post by dav on Aug 26, 2013 15:54:27 GMT -5
I've said this elsewhere, but when I read Bret Hart's autobiography I realized that, were a movie adaptation made, the guy who played Vince could just waltz to a Best Supporting Actor win, because he's such a strange, thoroughly unique person. I always found Vince to be pretty thoroughly reprehensible, but in reading that book, what hit me was that McMahon IS a pretty horrid guy...but he comes off as a man who has, for lack of a better term, a "fear of hell". Like, there's this small part of Vince that wants to be remembered as a good person, somebody who used all the power he grabbed and companies he effectively shut down to nevertheless do something positive, yet his shark-like sense of business would never really allow it. In that sense, I think he's had a number of moments over the decades where he's been "genuine"; I think he was being genuine in the numerous cases where he'd pretty under-the-radar pay for an ex-wrestler's stint in rehab, or what have you. Those were those moments where that human side of him tried to express itself. Either way, again: cake walk to an Oscar nod, I'm tellin' ya. I tend to agree with this. I honestly think Vince is a guy who was largely created, in his business sense, from the dirty tricks and tactics of the Territory era. I don't think he's ever been able to hake the mind set from that period. |
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Post by Shark on Aug 26, 2013 18:22:54 GMT -5
From everything Bret has said, Vince really wanted to bury the hatchet with him and Bret said Vince was one of the first people to contact him after the stroke. I've always felt that while Vince McMahon can be a real asshole, he is a good person in the end.
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