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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 26, 2013 22:17:49 GMT -5
I'm not gonna lie I was hoping to here glass shatter during the DBry beatdown. That pop would have been incredible. Hell, I was hoping for "Appledough!!!!" to hit and for Cena to make the save. (As impossible it would've been.) I would've cried. I can just imagine Cena handing out bionic elbows with his giant cast.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 26, 2013 22:18:56 GMT -5
40 people would be fired by Triple H. Now Triple H has no wrestlers and ratings on his show plummet. And so he's too scared to do it. Making lower card wrestlers think Trips is a little bitch and they start pushing him for all kinds of concessions which he is forced to give into. Because his plan backfired in his face. Oops. See what I did there? STORYLINE DEPTH. Can't have that, can we?! But again, we've already seen that HHH is willing to run the show with four guys and a skeleton crew in production. He'll, there would be at least six bodies if the roster revolted in DB, HHH, Reigns, Amborse, Rollins, and Orton, so he'd have even more to work with.
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 26, 2013 22:19:19 GMT -5
Hell, I was hoping for "Appledough!!!!" to hit and for Cena to make the save. (As impossible it would've been.) I would've cried. I can just imagine Cena handing out bionic elbows with his giant cast. Amerrrrrrricaaaaaaaaaaan APPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPLEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUGH!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:19:42 GMT -5
Now Triple H has no wrestlers and ratings on his show plummet. And so he's too scared to do it. Making lower card wrestlers think Trips is a little bitch and they start pushing him for all kinds of concessions which he is forced to give into. Because his plan backfired in his face. Solution, just bring up 40 superstars from NXT. Problem solved. If this ever happens, Dixie Carter will be drooling and ringing her hands in excitement as Aces & Eights lie on an altar. "We're saved! Hulk, Eric, we're saved! The sacrifice ritual worked!" *finds out iMPACT ratings have dropped to .7 anyway* "Confound their black magic ways!"
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Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2013 22:20:31 GMT -5
It would work if you know...Bryan didn't play along. People boo stupid shit just as much as they boo stuff that is written well. Doesn't mean they're going to open up their wallets if it's just a continual barrage of the same angle played every week with the pendulum never swaying in the other direction He can't get his revenge yet They have to keep pushing Bryan to the limits he will snap and start going through the corporation It's a slow burn Italy's sense The crowds in to Bryan and hates hunter and Orton no issues with it. Dude, this is the 3rd time in a row that Bryan has been taken out. Yet, he continues to put up with Trips' bullshit. Even if the crowd is into it, you STILL need to sell Bryan as a threat. Not just a wrestling threat, but a threat to the guys who screwed him over. If this was Austin, and Austin was playing by their rules, he'd look like the biggest chump in the world. Bryan needs to basically say "f*** your corporate protocol, I'm going to make you tap". Have Bryan carry a weapon. Have Bryan hide in tiny areas and emerging, only to kick the shit out of some unsuspecting fool. Better yet, power down Triple H a bit. You know...have some sway in terms of Triple H not holding absolute power. Because...absolute power gives no area for Bryan to destroy the cracks. If McMahon continually had absolute power over Austin, Austin would look like an idiot every time. There needs to be balance. If they don't develop that by the next show, they're setting Bryan up for failure. I guarantee it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:20:40 GMT -5
*Shakes head.* I don't care... I hate seeing the bad guys come out on top in wrestling, and I especially hate seeing it two weeks in a row.
These angles don't make me want to "see the heel get his ass kicked". They only make me wish horrible things on the heel in real life. (Because let's face it. The line is blurred so horribly, who cares.)
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Aug 26, 2013 22:20:45 GMT -5
Alls I know is that moment when Bryan snaps and goes apeshit on the Corporation will be fist-pumpingly awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:21:11 GMT -5
Now Triple H has no wrestlers and ratings on his show plummet. And so he's too scared to do it. Making lower card wrestlers think Trips is a little bitch and they start pushing him for all kinds of concessions which he is forced to give into. Because his plan backfired in his face. Oops. See what I did there? STORYLINE DEPTH. Can't have that, can we?! But again, we've already seen that HHH is willing to run the show with four guys and a skeleton crew in production. He'll, there would be at least six bodies if the roster revolted in DB, HHH, Reigns, Amborse, Rollins, and Orton, so he'd have even more to work with. Nono, I don't mean a walkout. I mean he starts getting attacked by everyone under the sun. Him, Shield, Maddox, Orton, you name it. Anyone who's the establishment is fair game for a mob of angry wrestlers he no longer has any reign over. If you've seen the King's Landing Riot scene from Game of Thrones...that's basically what I'm envisioning.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:23:27 GMT -5
You know...I'd mark out if we tune into Raw next week and see DBD making people tap.
We just go backstage and we find members of the Hunner Administration on the ground. All glassy-eyed, contorted, and drooling as they tap, feebly chanting "Yes!" in traumatized whispers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:24:41 GMT -5
It's called building heat Listen to the crowd response There booing the shit out of Orton and hunter now It would work if you know...Bryan didn't play along. People boo stupid shit just as much as they boo stuff that is written well. Doesn't mean they're going to open up their wallets if it's just a continual barrage of the same angle played every week with the pendulum never swaying in the other direction What's a better story? Megalomaniac boss pits scrappy young favorite in a gauntlet where the babyface fights his heart out to show he's the next World Champion, or Daniel Bryan sitting out because he doesn't like the odds? Triple H: Tonight Daniel Bryan, you're facing the Shield. Daniel Bryan: I don't want to. Triple H: AHHH SHUCKS. This was a logical follow up to last week in my opinion. It wasn't entirely one sided, Daniel Bryan got a minor moral victory against them with the escalade vandalism. If WWE treat this thing like every week of build up in this angle has to lead to some shocking moment or revelation of some kind they're gonna burn out. Triple H rehashed an idea that worked beautifully last week, why should he have to change it up? He sees Orton as the golden boy of the WWE, sees Daniel Bryan as second rate and wants to pummel his spirits until he eases into the mediocrity that HHH thinks he should be wallowing in. It's good vs. evil, if the pendulum keeps swinging and Daniel Bryan/Triple H just keep trading victories throughout then it's at the expense of building Daniel Bryan as an underdog hero.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Aug 26, 2013 22:24:48 GMT -5
But again, we've already seen that HHH is willing to run the show with four guys and a skeleton crew in production. He'll, there would be at least six bodies if the roster revolted in DB, HHH, Reigns, Amborse, Rollins, and Orton, so he'd have even more to work with. Nono, I don't mean a walkout. I mean he starts getting attacked by everyone under the sun. Him, Shield, Maddox, Orton, you name it. Anyone who's the establishment is fair game for a mob of angry wrestlers he no longer has any reign over. If you've seen the King's Landing Riot scene from Game of Thrones...that's basically what I'm envisioning. I'm already imagining a segment where Trips cuts a promo but gets mobbed by a mass of angry wrestlers. The Shield try to protect him, but they get overwhelmed and it becomes an utterly chaotic riot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:27:58 GMT -5
Nono, I don't mean a walkout. I mean he starts getting attacked by everyone under the sun. Him, Shield, Maddox, Orton, you name it. Anyone who's the establishment is fair game for a mob of angry wrestlers he no longer has any reign over. If you've seen the King's Landing Riot scene from Game of Thrones...that's basically what I'm envisioning. I'm already imagining a segment where Trips cuts a promo but gets mobbed by a mass of angry wrestlers. The Shield try to protect him, but they get overwhelmed and it becomes an utterly chaotic riot. That's why Austin/McMahon was so successful. McMahon set up the façade of being in control but his reliance on mediocre security who couldn't successfully keep down one man made it obvious that his authority was nonexistent and that Austin was just inches away from breaking him. Bryan's nowhere close to that right now.
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Post by RI Richmark on Aug 26, 2013 22:28:02 GMT -5
So all the wrestles jump in and save Bryan. Would Trips be stupid enough to fire ALL of them? We wouldn't have a RAW next week and WWE loses money. Hence why they should do it. Because they all did it, he doesn't fire any of them, and they threaten to attack him if he does it again. And suddenly Triple H has created a monster he is powerless to stop, Shield is powerless to stop, and Raw delves into a period of chaos where everyone is propping up their own "GM" to say how things should be done. Why would they ALL jump in? The heels like Alberto Del Rio, Ryback or 3MB aren't friends of Bryan so why should they risk thier careers for him? And mid-card faces like Yoshi Tatsu or Justin Gabriel are in no position to cross the boss. That leaves the uppercard faces like Show & Dolph but they don't know if anybody would join them so they cant risk it right now. Eventually someone will stand up but it's not gonna happen right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:28:04 GMT -5
Nono, I don't mean a walkout. I mean he starts getting attacked by everyone under the sun. Him, Shield, Maddox, Orton, you name it. Anyone who's the establishment is fair game for a mob of angry wrestlers he no longer has any reign over. If you've seen the King's Landing Riot scene from Game of Thrones...that's basically what I'm envisioning. I'm already imagining a segment where Trips cuts a promo but gets mobbed by a mass of angry wrestlers. The Shield try to protect him, but they get overwhelmed and it becomes an utterly chaotic riot. Hell, no. Hunner will fight off each and every one of them sumbitches like he was Neo in The Matrix.If I was in his position and had no scruples, that's totally what I would do.
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Post by AKIMan64 on Aug 26, 2013 22:29:42 GMT -5
Damn this was a heel dominated night. While it's great to figure out what the hero is going to do to get revenge, I really hope WWE is not dumb enough to go in the route the nWo went and having the New Corporation be dominant all of the time. If they keep doing this, this is going to be hard for me to stomach.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:32:21 GMT -5
Hence why they should do it. Because they all did it, he doesn't fire any of them, and they threaten to attack him if he does it again. And suddenly Triple H has created a monster he is powerless to stop, Shield is powerless to stop, and Raw delves into a period of chaos where everyone is propping up their own "GM" to say how things should be done. Why would they ALL jump in? The heels like Alberto Del Rio, Ryback or 3MB aren't friends of Bryan so why should they risk thier careers for him? And mid-card faces like Yoshi Tatsu or Justin Gabriel are in no position to cross the boss. That leaves the uppercard faces like Show & Dolph but they don't know if anybody would join them so they cant risk it right now. Eventually someone will stand up but it's not gonna happen right now. Why wouldn't the mid-card guys do anything, they're not going anywhere, half of them don't even wrestle. Would the risk of being "fired" be any worse than endless purgatory and the likelihood of being fired anyway? As for the heels, they're dicks. Most of them would rather use the chaos to their advantage and push the boss around as opposed to be his lapdog in a fight that he's losing. Back to my reference: {Spoiler}The Red Lady is evil but she doesn't work for Joffrey. Neither do the Brave Companions. Why? Because Joffrey is a sinking ship and everyone knows it. That's why they're both in anti-Lannister camps. Why are heels going to help Triple H who has so little authority that he can't even defend himself? To get themselves beaten too? Or seize power? This story needs some chaos. And the chaos is the missing element here.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Aug 26, 2013 22:33:18 GMT -5
Remember that Raw with the entire (face) roster surrounding Evolution and not taking their shit anymore? Time for a rehash of that moment.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 26, 2013 22:35:14 GMT -5
Hence why they should do it. Because they all did it, he doesn't fire any of them, and they threaten to attack him if he does it again. And suddenly Triple H has created a monster he is powerless to stop, Shield is powerless to stop, and Raw delves into a period of chaos where everyone is propping up their own "GM" to say how things should be done. Why would they ALL jump in? The heels like Alberto Del Rio, Ryback or 3MB aren't friends of Bryan so why should they risk thier careers for him? And mid-card faces like Yoshi Tatsu or Justin Gabriel are in no position to cross the boss. That leaves the uppercard faces like Show & Dolph but they don't know if anybody would join them so they cant risk it right now. Eventually someone will stand up but it's not gonna happen right now. They should've brought Ted DiBiase onto the show. Having Ted fighting to help Bryan only to be overwhelmed by The Shield and then getting fired would've been a good heroic send off. Also there's a certain Mr. No Days Off on the roster who HHH wouldn't dare fire for fear of bad publicity.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2013 22:35:30 GMT -5
What's a better story? Megalomaniac boss pits scrappy young favorite in a gauntlet where the babyface fights his heart out to show he's the next World Champion, or Daniel Bryan sitting out because he doesn't like the odds? Triple H: Tonight Daniel Bryan, you're facing the Shield. Daniel Bryan: I don't want to. Triple H: AHHH SHUCKS. This was a logical follow up to last week in my opinion. It wasn't entirely one sided, Daniel Bryan got a minor moral victory against them with the escalade vandalism. If WWE treat this thing like every week of build up in this angle has to lead to some shocking moment or revelation of some kind they're gonna burn out. Triple H rehashed an idea that worked beautifully last week, why should he have to change it up? He sees Orton as the golden boy of the WWE, sees Daniel Bryan as second rate and wants to pummel his spirits until he eases into the mediocrity that HHH thinks he should be wallowing in. It's good vs. evil, if the pendulum keeps swinging and Daniel Bryan/Triple H just keep trading victories throughout then it's at the expense of building Daniel Bryan as an underdog hero. Except, you're looking at everything through how Triple H sees things, not necessarily Bryan. Bryan SHOULD take the challenges handed to him, but he doesn't have to be mind-bogglingly stupid. We all know that Bryan can wrestle and continually putting him in gauntlet matches where he gets his ass kicked and keeps coming back for more isn't exactly scaring Triple H, who will seemingly put him in more gauntlet matches. Where do we even see the fear or panic from the other side? They're still holding all the cards and making Bryan look like a chump every step of the way. And I'm not saying this as someone who wants Bryan to kick ass left and right. Hell, I don't even want him to beat 3 guys in a row. I want a character who has the common sense to say "uhhh, that's real nice Hunter, I'll certainly take on the Shield...and they know where to find me, and after I'm done with them, I'm coming for you" or something like that. You know...make Trips think about the decision he made to stack the odds. You don't try to steal honey from a swarm of restless bees. And Bryan needs to show that he's not going to just take what is thrown at him. He's going to take it, and throw it right back at the Corporation.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 26, 2013 22:35:42 GMT -5
Right now is that period of time in WWE where the heels run roughshod for a long while before the faces finally (hopefully) get some retribution. The problem is that with NoC it's obvious that HHH and The Shield will screw Daniel Bryan. He's not remotely getting the belt back there. And Punk probably won't get his hands on Heyman there either, since that should be saved for HIAC.
I find it hilarious that everyone walked out on HHH before when he was nowhere near the douche he is now. I wonder what HHH will say next week if Raw's rating craters in the 2nd week of the Orton run?
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