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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:36:45 GMT -5
Remember that Raw with the entire (face) roster surrounding Evolution and not taking their shit anymore? Time for a rehash of that moment. Yeah, somehow I think that's where this is going to lead. Or at least another incident of no confidence
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 26, 2013 22:39:13 GMT -5
Right now is that period of time in WWE where the heels run roughshod for a long while before the faces finally (hopefully) get some retribution. The problem is that with NoC it's obvious that HHH and The Shield will screw Daniel Bryan. He's not remotely getting the belt back there. And Punk probably won't get his hands on Heyman there either, since that should be saved for HIAC. I find it hilarious that everyone walked out on HHH before when he was nowhere near the douche he is now. I wonder what HHH will say next week if Raw's rating craters in the 2nd week of the Orton run? I thought the part where he mentioned the ratings was great. If they go down he should make some kind of excuse and/or blame it on too much Daniel Bryan.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Aug 26, 2013 22:41:18 GMT -5
Remember that Raw with the entire (face) roster surrounding Evolution and not taking their shit anymore? Time for a rehash of that moment. Yeah, somehow I think that's where this is going to lead. Or at least another incident of no confidence If it does happen, I'll for sure appreciate the irony of Orton (the guy who led the aforementioned anti-Evolution rebellion) being on the receiving end of a new rebellion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:45:42 GMT -5
What's a better story? Megalomaniac boss pits scrappy young favorite in a gauntlet where the babyface fights his heart out to show he's the next World Champion, or Daniel Bryan sitting out because he doesn't like the odds? Triple H: Tonight Daniel Bryan, you're facing the Shield. Daniel Bryan: I don't want to. Triple H: AHHH SHUCKS. This was a logical follow up to last week in my opinion. It wasn't entirely one sided, Daniel Bryan got a minor moral victory against them with the escalade vandalism. If WWE treat this thing like every week of build up in this angle has to lead to some shocking moment or revelation of some kind they're gonna burn out. Triple H rehashed an idea that worked beautifully last week, why should he have to change it up? He sees Orton as the golden boy of the WWE, sees Daniel Bryan as second rate and wants to pummel his spirits until he eases into the mediocrity that HHH thinks he should be wallowing in. It's good vs. evil, if the pendulum keeps swinging and Daniel Bryan/Triple H just keep trading victories throughout then it's at the expense of building Daniel Bryan as an underdog hero. Except, you're looking at everything through how Triple H sees things, not necessarily Bryan. Bryan SHOULD take the challenges handed to him, but he doesn't have to be mind-bogglingly stupid. We all know that Bryan can wrestle and continually putting him in gauntlet matches where he gets his ass kicked and keeps coming back for more isn't exactly scaring Triple H, who will seemingly put him in more gauntlet matches. Where do we even see the fear or panic from the other side? They're still holding all the cards and making Bryan look like a chump every step of the way. And I'm not saying this as someone who wants Bryan to kick ass left and right. Hell, I don't even want him to beat 3 guys in a row. I want a character who has the common sense to say "uhhh, that's real nice Hunter, I'll certainly take on the Shield...and they know where to find me, and after I'm done with them, I'm coming for you" or something like that. You know...make Trips think about the decision he made to stack the odds. You don't try to steal honey from a swarm of restless bees. And Bryan needs to show that he's not going to just take what is thrown at him. He's going to take it, and throw it right back at the Corporation. I just think it's too early to say they're not heading in that direction. Bryan doesn't look like a chump to me, he beat Cena clean and that had to have instilled more bravado in him than he ought to have in the situation he's in. His whole push originated on the premise that Daniel doesn't want to be looked at as a weak link or a guy that needs someone to stick up for him. Something's gonna have to give, either Triple H eventually exposes a chink in the armor of his new outfit that gives Bryan an opportunity to tip the scales or Daniel Bryan smartens up and takes a more tactful approach in dealing with this problem. It's kind of just a feeling out process for both sides, Daniel's slowly figuring out that Triple H is handling this with a pretty straight-forward and brutal approach. Again I don't think they're making Bryan look stupid. He's trying to handle this head-on, and while it's proving at this time that no matter how good he is, the numbers game is beating him, that doesn't mean he's going to stick with that strategy. The fact that Triple H acknowledged any possibility that someone on the roster might get cute and try to help, to me foreshadows that whether Bryan wants it or not, people are gonna find a way to help. I think that's the way they're gonna go with this, Bryan will remain a little hard headed in that he wants to single handedly kick the shit out of the entire regime, other guys are gonna help him accomplish that. It's not like simply refusing Triple H's demands are exactly a clear cut solution, it's clear that Triple H is not above just firing Bryan. You can argue "well that doesn't mean anything, people get fired from WWE all time and just come back", and there's merit to that, but when you think of it in terms of kayfabe, even though the betting odds are that you get fired, you just have to make a stink and you seemingly get your job back, you really shouldn't wanna play with your career like that.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2013 22:54:24 GMT -5
I just think it's too early to say they're not heading in that direction. Bryan doesn't look like a chump to me, he beat Cena clean and that had to have instilled more bravado in him than he ought to have in the situation he's in. His whole push originated on the premise that Daniel doesn't want to be looked at as a weak link or a guy that needs someone to stick up for him. Something's gonna have to give, either Triple H eventually exposes a chink in the armor of his new outfit that gives Bryan an opportunity to tip the scales or Daniel Bryan smartens up and takes a more tactful approach in dealing with this problem. It's kind of just a feeling out process for both sides, Daniel's slowly figuring out that Triple H is handling this with a pretty straight-forward and brutal approach. Again I don't think they're making Bryan look stupid. He's trying to handle this head-on, and while it's proving at this time that no matter how good he is, the numbers game is beating him, that doesn't mean he's going to stick with that strategy. The fact that Triple H acknowledged any possibility that someone on the roster might get cute and try to help, to me foreshadows that whether Bryan wants it or not, people are gonna find a way to help. I think that's the way they're gonna go with this, Bryan will remain a little hard headed in that he wants to single handedly kick the shit out of the entire regime, other guys are gonna help him accomplish that. Oh trust me, in terms of being able to get the job done, Bryan has it. But he needs to be smart too. Because it isn't the most technically sound guy who wins Achilles' armor, but the smartest guy. At this point, Bryan certainly needs to get one over on Orton or Triple H, and it certainly isn't spray painting a damn car. He needs to kick a little ass. Maybe threaten Triple H with the idea that he'll come to his home and make his life a living hell if he tries to fire him. I don't know...do SOMETHING. It's not that hard. And it shouldn't take a month for Bryan to figure that out. I can understand the night after Summerslam, but we're going into 3 weeks of this now, so if he doesn't do something soon, people are going to wise up. And yes, I will check out of this feud if they keep doing the same thing. I went through the reign of terror once, where Trips flexed his ego and never got much in terms of repercussions. I don't want to live through it again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:54:57 GMT -5
Guys, I think you're missing the most important part of Raw.
The Cadillac had Triple H's theme tune, s/he may become an on air character!
Imagine the promo it'll cut against Bryan next week!
"I'm going to lock you in the passenger seat, throw a tube up into the window, close them all, until you say I quit, Bryan."
Easy money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:59:32 GMT -5
I just think it's too early to say they're not heading in that direction. Bryan doesn't look like a chump to me, he beat Cena clean and that had to have instilled more bravado in him than he ought to have in the situation he's in. His whole push originated on the premise that Daniel doesn't want to be looked at as a weak link or a guy that needs someone to stick up for him. Something's gonna have to give, either Triple H eventually exposes a chink in the armor of his new outfit that gives Bryan an opportunity to tip the scales or Daniel Bryan smartens up and takes a more tactful approach in dealing with this problem. It's kind of just a feeling out process for both sides, Daniel's slowly figuring out that Triple H is handling this with a pretty straight-forward and brutal approach. Again I don't think they're making Bryan look stupid. He's trying to handle this head-on, and while it's proving at this time that no matter how good he is, the numbers game is beating him, that doesn't mean he's going to stick with that strategy. The fact that Triple H acknowledged any possibility that someone on the roster might get cute and try to help, to me foreshadows that whether Bryan wants it or not, people are gonna find a way to help. I think that's the way they're gonna go with this, Bryan will remain a little hard headed in that he wants to single handedly kick the shit out of the entire regime, other guys are gonna help him accomplish that. Oh trust me, in terms of being able to get the job done, Bryan has it. But he needs to be smart too. Because it isn't the most technically sound guy who wins Achilles' armor, but the smartest guy. At this point, Bryan certainly needs to get one over on Orton or Triple H, and it certainly isn't spray painting a damn car. He needs to kick a little ass. Maybe threaten Triple H with the idea that he'll come to his home and make his life a living hell if he tries to fire him. I don't know...do SOMETHING. It's not that hard. And it shouldn't take a month for Bryan to figure that out. I can understand the night after Summerslam, but we're going into 3 weeks of this now, so if he doesn't do something soon, people are going to wise up. And yes, I will check out of this feud if they keep doing the same thing. I went through the reign of terror once, where Trips flexed his ego and never got much in terms of repercussions. I don't want to live through it again. Fair enough sir. I'm giving the angle more benefit of the doubt right now. Feels like it's been so long since we've had a top face booked in actual peril so I see this as huge progress so far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 22:59:58 GMT -5
Guys, I think you're missing the most important part of Raw. The Cadillac had Triple H's theme tune, s/he may become an on air character! Imagine the promo it'll cut against Bryan next week! "I'm going to lock you in the passenger seat, throw a tube up into the window, close them all, until you say I quit, Bryan." Easy money. Needs more Julio Dinero.
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Post by RI Richmark on Aug 26, 2013 23:05:15 GMT -5
Why would they ALL jump in? The heels like Alberto Del Rio, Ryback or 3MB aren't friends of Bryan so why should they risk thier careers for him? And mid-card faces like Yoshi Tatsu or Justin Gabriel are in no position to cross the boss. That leaves the uppercard faces like Show & Dolph but they don't know if anybody would join them so they cant risk it right now. Eventually someone will stand up but it's not gonna happen right now. Why wouldn't the mid-card guys do anything, they're not going anywhere, half of them don't even wrestle. Would the risk of being "fired" be any worse than endless purgatory and the likelihood of being fired anyway? Well the first thing to remember is nobody knows if anybody else is going to jump to Bryan's defense and they don't want to risk being alone on an island. AS for the mid-card, even if they are not being used right now they are still drawing a steady paycheck from the WWE. Why would they put that at risk an go back to wrestling in high school gyms? If you were on the low end of the hiearchy at your job would you openly defy your boss? As for the heels, they're dicks. Most of them would rather use the chaos to their advantage and push the boss around as opposed to be his lapdog in a fight that he's losing. Back to my reference: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}The Red Lady is evil but she doesn't work for Joffrey. Neither do the Brave Companions. Why? Because Joffrey is a sinking ship and everyone knows it. That's why they're both in anti-Lannister camps. . Why are heels going to help Triple H who has so little authority that he can't even defend himself? To get themselves beaten too? Or seize power? Most heels are busy with thier own things so they will just stay out of the way unless Triple H tells them otherwise. They have no dog in this fight. And Triple H is far from a "sinking ship" with little authority. He, his wife and father-in-law run the WWE and can make life miserable for any one who defies them. This story needs some chaos. And the chaos is the missing element here. And it's coming, just not right now.
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Aug 26, 2013 23:14:05 GMT -5
Guys, I think you're missing the most important part of Raw. The Cadillac had Triple H's theme tune, s/he may become an on air character! Imagine the promo it'll cut against Bryan next week! "I'm going to lock you in the passenger seat, throw a tube up into the window, close them all, until you say I quit, Bryan." Easy money. If the car sounds like William Daniels, then consider me sold.
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Post by odor31 on Aug 27, 2013 5:03:49 GMT -5
Of course they would miss the shot of Bryan's new move to show too many extra seconds of the crowd.
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