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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Sept 2, 2013 12:37:52 GMT -5
Triple H was AWARDED the World Heavyweight Championship on RAW. This not only gave RAW its own championship since SMACKDOWN took the WWE title, but it also established Triple H as an NWA-style heel that would do anything to keep the title. Thoughts on the endeavor?
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Post by the2ndevil on Sept 2, 2013 12:39:07 GMT -5
I forget, was there a reason why he, specifically, was awarded the title?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2013 12:40:23 GMT -5
I forget, was there a reason why he, specifically, was awarded the title? He was the #1 contender to the formerly-Undisputed title. |
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 2, 2013 12:40:53 GMT -5
I forget, was there a reason why he, specifically, was awarded the title? For this business. |
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Post by the2ndevil on Sept 2, 2013 12:42:43 GMT -5
I forget, was there a reason why he, specifically, was awarded the title? He was the #1 contender to the formerly-Undisputed title. I thought it might have been something like that. That actually makes sense, though I would have preferred that the top two contenders had a match for it, how it happened has some logic behind it. |
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Post by RIHT on Sept 2, 2013 12:46:11 GMT -5
I forget, was there a reason why he, specifically, was awarded the title? He was the #1 contender to the formerly-Undisputed title. Real reason was because he didn't want to job to Lesnar, so they gave him his own title. |
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Sept 2, 2013 12:46:58 GMT -5
He was the #1 contender to the formerly-Undisputed title. I thought it might have been something like that. That actually makes sense, though I would have preferred that the top two contenders had a match for it, how it happened has some logic behind it. Triple H defeated Undertaker the week before on RAW, so technically he was alone on top of the perch. Having a battle royal with the RAW roster to determine who faces Triple H might have sounded better, but the outcome would have been more than telegraphed. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 2, 2013 13:02:47 GMT -5
It was a great, heel thing to do for both Bisch and HHH. I never really understood the hate.
"He doesn't deserve to just be AWARDED the title!"
That's sorta the point.
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Post by britishbulldog on Sept 2, 2013 13:05:18 GMT -5
It kicked off the best heel work in almost the entire 30 years I've watched wrestling. To the point that people still hate HHH for it.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 2, 2013 13:32:08 GMT -5
He was the #1 contender to the formerly-Undisputed title. Real reason was because he didn't want to job to Lesnar, so they gave him his own title. I thought the brand-specific Heavyweight championships had to do with Lesnar not wanting to work both RAW and Smackdown. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 2, 2013 13:46:04 GMT -5
And of course the first feud for the World title was HHH vs. RVD, which you'd think might have more historical relevance than it does. For one, it was the first World title match on PPV. Second, Flair turned heel there and that was the beginning of the Evolution storyline, though Batista and Orton weren't added until later.
Honestly I wish they would play up on this aspect for the upcoming Del Rio/Van Dam match. As in RVD can say "I was here when this title was created and got screwed. Now exactly 11 years later I want to finally win it." As in give it some logical justification for why RVD wants this belt so badly, as opposed to going after Orton and the WWE title.
As far as the title itself goes, I'll pose the obvious question: Is the World title its own belt, or is it simply the renamed WCW title? Bear in mind that right after Survivor Series 2001 I recall Linda McMahon pronouncing the WCW title was now going to be renamed as the World Heavyweight Championship. This only lasted a month before the belts were unified with Jericho's tourney win. Thus, when Brock went to SD and the belts were split again, didn't Bischoff simply hand HHH the old WCW/World title?
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Post by bob on Sept 2, 2013 13:48:27 GMT -5
Hated it, I absolutely hated it.
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Post by spagett on Sept 2, 2013 13:49:16 GMT -5
It kicked off the best heel work in almost the entire 30 years I've watched wrestling. To the point that people still hate HHH for it. And it helped drive millions of viewers away too as he dominated over the next 2 years. Great heel work. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 13:53:42 GMT -5
This place is so obsessed with HHH lately.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Sept 2, 2013 13:55:01 GMT -5
It kicked off the best heel work in almost the entire 30 years I've watched wrestling. To the point that people still hate HHH for it. And it helped drive millions of viewers away too as he dominated over the next 2 years. Great heel work. Nope, post-Invasion was doing that already. NEXT! |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 2, 2013 14:09:08 GMT -5
As far as the title itself goes, I'll pose the obvious question: Is the World title its own belt, or is it simply the renamed WCW title? Bear in mind that right after Survivor Series 2001 I recall Linda McMahon pronouncing the WCW title was now going to be renamed as the World Heavyweight Championship. This only lasted a month before the belts were unified with Jericho's tourney win. Thus, when Brock went to SD and the belts were split again, didn't Bischoff simply hand HHH the old WCW/World title? The WWE can't even decide whether it is the WCW title or if it only started 11 years ago. For instance the title history page only goes to HHH but they released a History of the World Heavyweight Championship DVD that had NWA footage on it. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 2, 2013 14:12:21 GMT -5
It was a great, heel thing to do for both Bisch and HHH. I never really understood the hate. "He doesn't deserve to just be AWARDED the title!" That's sorta the point. I'll admit that the only year from that era where I really ever watched was 2004 (only saw clips of stuff for a few years before then), but if 2004 was any indication, the problem wasn't that Trips was doing the NWA-heel act, it was more the manner in which he did it, and a lot of fans simply not liking his act that much. The big thing I remember from 2004 was just Trips and Evolution being overbearing, to the point where I stopped watching within 10 months out of sheer boredom. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 2, 2013 14:14:47 GMT -5
I can agree it became so; hell I was tired of it after awhile, just saying the beginning was done perfectly.
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Post by babyfootball on Sept 2, 2013 14:19:01 GMT -5
And of course the first feud for the World title was HHH vs. RVD, which you'd think might have more historical relevance than it does. For one, it was the first World title match on PPV. Second, Flair turned heel there and that was the beginning of the Evolution storyline, though Batista and Orton weren't added until later. Honestly I wish they would play up on this aspect for the upcoming Del Rio/Van Dam match. As in RVD can say "I was here when this title was created and got screwed. Now exactly 11 years later I want to finally win it." As in give it some logical justification for why RVD wants this belt so badly, as opposed to going after Orton and the WWE title. As far as the title itself goes, I'll pose the obvious question: Is the World title its own belt, or is it simply the renamed WCW title? Bear in mind that right after Survivor Series 2001 I recall Linda McMahon pronouncing the WCW title was now going to be renamed as the World Heavyweight Championship. This only lasted a month before the belts were unified with Jericho's tourney win. Thus, when Brock went to SD and the belts were split again, didn't Bischoff simply hand HHH the old WCW/World title? Nope, it's its own belt with its own lineage, because it was in no way actually split off from the Undisputed Championship. It wasn't even the same folks choosing to recognize HHH instead of Lesnar this time around. Much in the same was that today's NWA heavyweight title isn't the same one of the days of Flair, Race and so on. I'm also in the camp that today's Intercontinental title doesn't share lineage with the same one worn by Patterson, Honky Tonk, Hennig and so on. It was absorbed into today's World Heavyweight Championship, and when the IC belt was brought back, it was created out of thin air, just like the WHC. |
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Post by babyfootball on Sept 2, 2013 14:22:36 GMT -5
It kicked off the best heel work in almost the entire 30 years I've watched wrestling. To the point that people still hate HHH for it. And it helped drive millions of viewers away too as he dominated over the next 2 years. Great heel work. Well, that's because it took so damn long for him to get his ultimate comeuppance against Batista that plenty of people just assumed that if Batista won, HHH would just usurp that position right back sooner rather than later anyway, so they chose not to get that invested into it. The Evolution run would have been GREAT if he actually let a few babyfaces look a bit better during those times (except Steiner, of course, he was awful). And, for what it's worth, by the time HHH was champion again, the bloated, 20-minute heel promo-spewing HHH had mostly evolved into his later "King of Kings" persona, who was actually being supported by many of those same fans to take the WWE title off of Cena just a few short years later. |
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