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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 2, 2013 23:55:58 GMT -5
This one? Yeah, this would be SWEET. It's weird people keep referring to that positively. I just though it was funny, but hey, whatever works for the most people. I see what you mean, but that same kind of idea, with a bigger, hotter crowd, more wrestlers and WWE production values could be insanely awesome.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Sept 2, 2013 23:56:06 GMT -5
So...
Orton = The Rock The Shield = Big Boss Man Big Show = Kane?
Which means someone has to debut with them like Test, someone has to be lured over to feel like they have a family like Shamrock was with Vince, and multiple people have to turn heel for no real reason in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 23:57:24 GMT -5
So... Orton = The Rock The Shield = Big Boss Man Big Show = Kane? Which means someone has to debut with them like Test, someone has to be lured over to feel like they have a family like Shamrock was with Vince, and multiple people have to turn heel for no real reason in particular. Also someone has to kidnap and try to marry Aurora, leading to whoever's playing Shamrock going nuts before turning on Triple H when it turns out he arranged it.
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 2, 2013 23:57:54 GMT -5
It's weird people keep referring to that positively. I just though it was funny, but hey, whatever works for the most people. I see what you mean, but that same kind of idea, with a bigger, hotter crowd, more wrestlers and WWE production values could be insanely awesome. It was less the actual fights and the scale. Typically most brawls happen in the ring or one spot in the locker room. A full fledged outbreak of fighting all over the arena was just novel and as stated could look 5 times better with WWE production.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 2, 2013 23:59:29 GMT -5
It's weird people keep referring to that positively. I just though it was funny, but hey, whatever works for the most people. I see what you mean, but that same kind of idea, with a bigger, hotter crowd, more wrestlers and WWE production values could be insanely awesome. I could see the Raw where the revolution forms ending like the TNA Riot did, with Bryan fighting either Orton or Hunner in the ring, the Rebel Alliance fighting the Shield backstage, and whatever other feuds might be going on at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:04:58 GMT -5
I see what you mean, but that same kind of idea, with a bigger, hotter crowd, more wrestlers and WWE production values could be insanely awesome. It was less the actual fights and the scale. Typically most brawls happen in the ring or one spot in the locker room. A full fledged outbreak of fighting all over the arena was just novel and as stated could look 5 times better with WWE production. When you put it that way, I agree. The last time we got something like this from WWE was the return of "The Old Stone Cold" during the Invasion.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 3, 2013 0:05:29 GMT -5
I see what you mean, but that same kind of idea, with a bigger, hotter crowd, more wrestlers and WWE production values could be insanely awesome. I could see the Raw where the revolution forms ending like the TNA Riot did, with Bryan fighting either Orton or Hunner in the ring, the Rebel Alliance fighting the Shield backstage, and whatever other feuds might be going on at the moment. And among it all, Bray Wyatt in his rocking chair, eating popcorn out of a human skull as he watches it all go down.
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Post by percymania on Sept 3, 2013 0:12:03 GMT -5
I like the direction the WWE is going in. Whoever took over the bookings when Cena got hurt is A-OK in my eyes. They seem to be taking a very old school approach of establishing strong heels, which is the part of the story we're in right now. If you don't like this chapter of the book, just wait it out. The story will get better a few more chapters in - ie around Royal Rumble/Wrestlemania time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:13:32 GMT -5
There's nothing fun about it.
Raw and SD a have been such downers since Summerslam. I understand some drama, buy this is like - just morose. The main storyline is sadistic (which sucks the joy out of guys like Ziggler's character). Pretty much everything has to do with this story as well...
Punk/Heyman is angry and bitter. Del Rio v RVD is at least some what fun.
I dunno, hopefully this comes to a head sooner rather than later.
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Post by Sc on Sept 3, 2013 0:20:04 GMT -5
This is one of the greatest storylines WWE has done in years.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Sept 3, 2013 0:35:51 GMT -5
I could see the Raw where the revolution forms ending like the TNA Riot did, with Bryan fighting either Orton or Hunner in the ring, the Rebel Alliance fighting the Shield backstage, and whatever other feuds might be going on at the moment. And among it all, Bray Wyatt in his rocking chair, eating popcorn out of a human skull as he watches it all go down. And drinking beer or moonshine out from another human skull, cause he's awesome like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:39:49 GMT -5
I'm not a Wyatt Family fan, but this is making me want a show that gets "cancelled" due to the chaos of the fighting while the board figures out how to address it, leading to the Wyatts, the disgruntled, non-aligned guys on the roster, and a rogue cameraman spending three hours out in a cabin somewhere hitting the moonshine and peyote while Bray just rambles about nothing in particular the entire show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:47:56 GMT -5
There's nothing fun about it. Raw and SD a have been such downers since Summerslam. I understand some drama, buy this is like - just morose. The main storyline is sadistic (which sucks the joy out of guys like Ziggler's character). Pretty much everything has to do with this story as well... Punk/Heyman is angry and bitter. Del Rio v RVD is at least some what fun. I dunno, hopefully this comes to a head sooner rather than later. That's what I love about it. I cannot recall a time where the bad guys were so bad. WWE are going through great lengths to establish that HHH's corporation is not to be f***ed with and I think it's great. There's a place for fun in wrestling but I think it's great that WWE are breaking from it (if you wanna call what they've been for the past few years "fun", a lot of times complacent would be more accurate). Pro wrestling to me is at its best when you have a high tension feud between two parties where the tension and the catalyst for said tension feels believable. WWE hasn't really been "fun" for a long time. It's been a really low consequence, medium energy show more than anything else. I think before fun can be had we need to be provided a cast of guys that we can really invest in and root for. This angle can start establishing who we do and don't care about and then move on to other things.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 3, 2013 0:48:10 GMT -5
The only reason it's starting to irk me is because it feels like every show ends the same damn way. Roster on the stage, Bryan gets beat up by the Shield, Randy Orton does an RKO and holds up the title while Triple H looks on smugly. I understand that they need to make the audience hate the Corporation, but good god, please go for a different ending next week. I'm begging them. I'm not even saying that Bryan needs to gain the upper hand yet, but I just want something to break up the monotony.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:49:32 GMT -5
There's nothing fun about it. Raw and SD a have been such downers since Summerslam. I understand some drama, buy this is like - just morose. The main storyline is sadistic (which sucks the joy out of guys like Ziggler's character). Pretty much everything has to do with this story as well... Punk/Heyman is angry and bitter. Del Rio v RVD is at least some what fun. I dunno, hopefully this comes to a head sooner rather than later. That's what I love about it. I cannot recall a time where the bad guys were so bad. WWE are going through great lengths to establish that HHH's corporation is not to be f***ed with and I think it's great. There's a place for fun in wrestling but I think it's great that WWE are breaking from it (if you wanna call what they've been for the past few years "fun", a lot of times complacent would be more accurate). Pro wrestling to me is at its best when you have a high tension feud between two parties where the tension and the catalyst for said tension feels believable. WWE hasn't really been "fun" for a long time. It's been a really low consequence, medium energy show more than anything else. I think before fun can be had we need to be provided a cast of guys that we can really invest in and root for. This angle can start establishing who we do and don't care about and then move on to other things. I don't wanna live in the darkest timeline!
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 3, 2013 0:52:53 GMT -5
There's nothing fun about it. Raw and SD a have been such downers since Summerslam. I understand some drama, buy this is like - just morose. The main storyline is sadistic (which sucks the joy out of guys like Ziggler's character). Pretty much everything has to do with this story as well... Punk/Heyman is angry and bitter. Del Rio v RVD is at least some what fun. I dunno, hopefully this comes to a head sooner rather than later. That's what I love about it. I cannot recall a time where the bad guys were so bad. WWE are going through great lengths to establish that HHH's corporation is not to be f***ed with and I think it's great. There's a place for fun in wrestling but I think it's great that WWE are breaking from it (if you wanna call what they've been for the past few years "fun", a lot of times complacent would be more accurate). Pro wrestling to me is at its best when you have a high tension feud between two parties where the tension and the catalyst for said tension feels believable. WWE hasn't really been "fun" for a long time. It's been a really low consequence, medium energy show more than anything else. I think before fun can be had we need to be provided a cast of guys that we can really invest in and root for. This angle can start establishing who we do and don't care about and then move on to other things. Agreed. Austin coming in and kicking ass at Backlash 2000 not only worked in the context of the drama and low point of the match (with them beating the hell out of Rock), but the fact that the McMahon/Helmsley regime had retired Foley, betrayed Rock (as well as beating him down), and had even walked of Wrestlemania with the belt. Them finally getting their ass kicked by all the people they wronged (Rock, Linda, Hebner) via Austin destroying them was just plain perfect. Edge next week will likely provide the inspirational speech to Show and/or the roster to jump off the cliff and revolt, and I think NOC will probably be the first ray of light by the babyfaces even if Orton retains.
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Post by Lancers on Sept 3, 2013 1:00:28 GMT -5
I wrote about this angle 15 days ago and my greatest fear is that Bryan is the patsy. I figure this corporation arc is just getting started. Logically, this means there's no discernible way Bryan goes over at Night of Champions. You can't take the belt off the man who Triple H has picked to vicariously carry HIS title for (remember that promo he cut after the Yescalade) after just one month.
The problem though is that booking Bryan to get beaten every episode of RAW and Smackdown, then LOSE at NoC builds the corporation, but simultaneously makes Bryan look like a rich man's Zack Ryder. Not quite a total chump like Ryder, but a man completely incapable of getting it done. It's his popularity and connection to the fans that is what's absorbing heat onto this corporation. He's exactly what this company needed to make HHH and Orton look this evil.
After Bryan loses at NoC, he will be dropped to the bottom of the title picture per HHH's proclamations that he fell short of being able to beat the champion so he's no longer a worthy opponent. He'll probably make Bryan work his way back to number one contention by going through a long list of people to get back. Meanwhile, you set up guys like Cody Rhodes or the Big Show to feud with Orton for the title for the next few months. Obviously, much like Bryan, they will not win.
This leads to Cena's return later this year. Ideally for the WWE, he returns for Survivor Series to partake in a 5-on-5 match and be the man who pins Orton. The problem, though, is that he shouldn't be in the role. If anything, he's tailored even more so to be Orton due to his popularity within WWE HQ. The very notion of Cena as the driving force of a 'revolution' against the establishment for which he proudly represents everywhere he goes is completely comical.
In order for this story to work logically, it HAS to be Bryan who works his way up to winning the Royal Rumble and then win at Wrestlemania. I fear that the WWE will give us the usual Cena/Vince vs. Orton/HHH crap. I've been trained to accept this as the most likely scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 1:08:45 GMT -5
I wrote about this angle 15 days ago and my greatest fear is that Bryan is the patsy. I figure this corporation arc is just getting started. Logically, this means there's no discernible way Bryan goes over at Night of Champions. You can't take the belt off the man who Triple H has picked to vicariously carry HIS title for (remember that promo he cut after the Yescalade) after just one month. The problem though is that booking Bryan to get beaten every episode of RAW and Smackdown, then LOSE at NoC builds the corporation, but simultaneously makes Bryan look like a rich man's Zack Ryder. Not quite a total chump like Ryder, but a man completely incapable of getting it done. It's his popularity and connection to the fans that is what's absorbing heat onto this corporation. He's exactly what this company needed to make HHH and Orton look this evil. After Bryan loses at NoC, he will be dropped to the bottom of the title picture per HHH's proclamations that he fell short of being able to beat the champion so he's no longer a worthy opponent. He'll probably make Bryan work his way back to number one contention by going through a long list of people to get back. Meanwhile, you set up guys like Cody Rhodes or the Big Show to feud with Orton for the title for the next few months. Obviously, much like Bryan, they will not win. This leads to Cena's return later this year. Ideally for the WWE, he returns for Survivor Series to partake in a 5-on-5 match and be the man who pins Orton. The problem, though, is that he's not the ones the fans want to overthrow the regime that realistically would cream their pants for him to be champion, more so than Orton. The very notion of Cena as the driving force of a 'revolution' against the establishment is completely comical. In order for this story to work logically, it HAS to be Bryan who works his way up to winning the Royal Rumble and then win at Wrestlemania. I fear that the WWE will give us the usual Cena/Vince vs. Orton/HHH crap. I've been trained to accept this as the most likely scenario. The convenience of the Cena injury is that he physically can't be around seemingly until the Royal Rumble anyways. I agree that the ideal solution is for Daniel Bryan to win the Rumble and go to 'Mania. It would be pretty enormous if Cena is a surprise entrant at the Rumble, and we re-establish upon his return that Daniel Bryan is still the man and is still hellbent on getting the WWE Championship back. Then you can use the Elimination Chamber, have a war games style team match between Bryan's guys and HHH's guys, where Bryan's team massacre the Corporation, then have Bryan hone in on Orton at Wrestlemania. Then you can refresh storylines at that point, return to some form of normalcy.
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Post by Lancers on Sept 3, 2013 1:18:30 GMT -5
The convenience of the Cena injury is that he physically can't be around seemingly until the Royal Rumble anyways. This may be the first time I've ever said this, but its actually GOOD for the company Cena's out for awhile. He's too divisive for this sort of story arc. Too many fans hate him for his dominance in the main event so whatever heat he provides would actually make Orton and HHH cheered by a vocal portion of live audiences which hinders its desired effect that Bryan is currently providing. Getting mixed reactions in a form of entertainment that REQUIRES a battle of a traditional good versus evil narrative is not conducive to developing stories. Wrestling can never be as nuanced as smarter wrestling fans want. The simpler the narrative, the better it is to illicit an emotional response. This storyline right now is a great example of that. I absolutely LOATHE HHH and Orton. They're really despicable people here. No shade of grey whatsoever. It's far more effective in getting people's attention.
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 3, 2013 1:19:52 GMT -5
The convenience of the Cena injury is that he physically can't be around seemingly until the Royal Rumble anyways. This may be the first time I've ever said this, but its actually GOOD for the company Cena's out for awhile. He's too divisive for this sort of story arc. Too many fans hate him for his dominance in the main event so whatever heat he provides would actually make Orton and HHH cheered by a vocal portion of live audiences which hinders its desired effect that Bryan is currently providing. Getting mixed reactions in a form of entertainment that REQUIRES a battle of a traditional good versus evil narrative is not conducive to developing stories. Wrestling can never be as nuanced as smarter wrestling fans want. The simpler the narrative, the better it is to illicit an emotional response. It allows them to actually build heat on the heals because there's not temptation to do Cena overcoming the odds every three weeks like they typically do.
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