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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 4, 2013 15:26:23 GMT -5
So far, they are booking it perfectly. Some fans have no patience anymore. Some of the greatest stories in wrestling history took months to develop, and people are complaining after just four weeks? Wow.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Sept 4, 2013 15:28:37 GMT -5
To me as a viewer...there isn't one damn thing that's entertaining about this storyline at all. Triple H is such a bore on the mic and Randy Orton as a heel in the ring is so dull and boring it's painful to watch. Every moment of an Orton match seems like an eternity in hell to sit there and watch. Then we come to Stephanie...such a BAD actress. What the hell is she doing on my screen? She wasn't good 10 years ago and now she's back... It's just too much boredom for me to handle between the three of them. This storyline hasn't even gone on a month yet and it already feels like it's been going on for ages. Lastly...we come to Daniel Bryan. Great wrestler, crowd loves him but he's slowly becoming uninteresting to me. What made Austin Vs. McMahon so good (besides it being fresh at the time) was that it never took this long for Steve Austin to get one up on the heels. Sure, the corporation managed to get the better of him some, but he wasn't beat down week after week after week. He did manage to get one over on them on a consistent basis. Raw in 1999 never ended with Austin getting beat down 4 weeks in a row. It's hard to get behind a guy who keeps getting his ass handed to him. I know people say things like "just have patience...Bryan will get his on HHH & Co." My question is when? When the majority are sick and tired of this storyline and have given up on it? The combination of boring characters (HHH, heel Orton and Stephanie) have pretty much killed this thing for me now. Why would I want to keep up with it until they finally allow Bryan to get his revenge? Keep in mind this is just my two cents. If you like it that is fine. To me it's just boring as hell and I simply don't have the patience to wait for month and months and months to see the payoff.
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Post by JTG Fan on Sept 4, 2013 15:29:54 GMT -5
DANIEL BRYAN ISN'T STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN
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Post by Boozeman on Sept 4, 2013 15:46:48 GMT -5
DANIEL BRYAN ISN'T STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN Clearly. He's more of a Lex Luger to HHH/Orton's nWo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 16:02:26 GMT -5
It's with major storylines in general and not exclusive to right now but I never get the people who are all like "I've been burned too many times by WWE so I'm not going to wait and see where it goes this time, sorry." .....Then they are obviously still watching what's going on and discussing it in detail.
Newsflash, if you're still watching then waiting and seeing is EXACTLY what you're doing. Basically what you're really saying is "oh, I'm still going to watch but get ready, because I'm going to complain A LOT."
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 4, 2013 16:28:17 GMT -5
... and this is what I was afraid of. While many liked the idea of a new strong heel faction, it's already turned into a vehicle to undercut the other heels. I guess maybe Trips crapping on Slater could set up a face turn although I don't see what purpose will that serve in the long run. Yeah even though this angle is serving not only to get great heat/reactions for Bryan, Orton, and Big Show as well to get Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Rhodes, Ziggler, Miz more over, it's pure shit and needs to be stopped because HEATH f***ING SLATER GOT INSULTED ON ONE EPISODE. Seriously, did Bryan really need this angle to get over? Not to mention, Rhodes, Ziggler, Miz nor Show are exactly being helped by this (at least not now, to play optimist), so it's essentially four people being helped by this angle - five if you include Triple H and two if you discount the fact that the SHIELD is pretty much doing the same thing they've been doing, 'cept in the position of trustees to the Corporate Rehash. More importantly, I seriously doubt he's saying "stop the angle because Heath Slater got insulted;" he's addressing a very real, very understandable concern that, as it is with heel supergroups, other heels either move to the back or get moved off stage altogether. As it stands, the Real Americans, Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel are about the only heels not either in or associated with the Corporate Rehash to get any serious airtime, and that's as of right now. Who knows if any of the four will remain relevant later on without having to join or, in some other fashion, connect themselves to 'em.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 4, 2013 16:44:55 GMT -5
Bryan isn't Stone Cold. He's Daniel LaRusso. He's got to be destroyed before he even has a fair shot at his enemy. He should never even get close to HHH and Orton unless he's vulnerable and they can take cheap shots at him. But eventually he will.
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Post by JTG Fan on Sept 4, 2013 16:50:29 GMT -5
If you can't see how this angle has already helped boost The Shield and Cody from doing jackshit to doing something of note and getting more heat/sympathy, I don't know what to tell ya.
Obviously Bryan is already over, but to so was Jeff Hardy when he won the World Heavyweight Title and Punk cashing in on him only helped.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 4, 2013 17:03:21 GMT -5
It'd be hilarious if Daniel Bryan actually got to HHH only for Trips to just pound the crap out of him until he quit and this whole thing ended in the most Kafaesque fashion possible. HHH beat Brock Lesnar clean at wrestlemania in a no dq match. DBry does not threaten HHH physically. He threatens "this business". I like the story. It is nWo taking over with a new regime. Not austin destroying the corporation.
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Post by JTH on Sept 4, 2013 20:05:49 GMT -5
SmackDown ends with Orton standing over Bryan with the WWE Title. So going back to Summerslam, Bryan has been laid out to end 7 straight shows. At what point are people going to get the stupid "It'll help get him more over" garbage out of their heads, and start the "When are they going to make him look like he has a chance?" phase?
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 4, 2013 20:09:38 GMT -5
Bryan isn't Stone Cold. He's Daniel LaRusso. He's got to be destroyed before he even has a fair shot at his enemy. He should never even get close to HHH and Orton unless he's vulnerable and they can take cheap shots at him. But eventually he will. And if he can't do it alone, he'll get help to even the odds to the point where Bryan gets Hunner and Orton alone and in a fair fight. Every revolution begins with a spark.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 5, 2013 8:51:00 GMT -5
4. Naomi (w/Carmen) vs. Brie Bella (w/Nikki). Crickets in the crowd. The Divas that AJ riled up earlier attacked both women for a no contest. Layla introduced AJ. So... what now? Are all the reality show girls faces? Is everyone else a heel? Are we going to get another asinine comment about the other Divas being jealous they aren't Total Divas? Is this the kind of shit we have to look forward to now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 9:07:54 GMT -5
Results from the past 6 shows: (this week's SD) SmackDown ends with Orton standing over Bryan with the WWE Title. (This week's RAW) Randy Orton comes out and stands with his foot on Bryan's chest, holding the title high. (8/29 Smackdown) Orton stands over Bryan to end the show. (8/26 RAW) Orton RKO’d Bryan and left him lying at The Shield’s feet to end the show. (8/23 SD) Randy Orton came out and RKO'd Daniel Bryan to end the show. (8/19 RAW) The McMahons and Randy Orton stand over the fallen body of Bryan. They raise their hands in victory as RAW goes off the air.
Look, I'm a patient guy - I enjoy a nice, slow-paced storyline, but when each episode of ANY show ends pretty much the exact same way, that's not okay. It's lazy and repetitive.
I'm not saying D.B. has to come out on top, but ending six straight shows with the same visual is superfluous. We GET IT. DBry is out-gunned right now. You don't need to show us it 6 times for us to get it. Let's add a new dimension to the story, give us some NEW information with your narrative.
On the whole, the HHH as a corporate prick works really well. He's got the jargon and attitude down pat, but the story actually needs to progress after 3 weeks - that's all. Even if its the bad guys escalate things even further instead of the good guy getting a win - just SOMETHING
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Sept 5, 2013 19:03:26 GMT -5
Yeah even though this angle is serving not only to get great heat/reactions for Bryan, Orton, and Big Show as well to get Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Rhodes, Ziggler, Miz more over, it's pure shit and needs to be stopped because HEATH f***ING SLATER GOT INSULTED ON ONE EPISODE. Seriously, did Bryan really need this angle to get over? Not to mention, Rhodes, Ziggler, Miz nor Show are exactly being helped by this (at least not now, to play optimist), so it's essentially four people being helped by this angle - five if you include Triple H and two if you discount the fact that the SHIELD is pretty much doing the same thing they've been doing, 'cept in the position of trustees to the Corporate Rehash. More importantly, I seriously doubt he's saying "stop the angle because Heath Slater got insulted;" he's addressing a very real, very understandable concern that, as it is with heel supergroups, other heels either move to the back or get moved off stage altogether. As it stands, the Real Americans, Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel are about the only heels not either in or associated with the Corporate Rehash to get any serious airtime, and that's as of right now. Who knows if any of the four will remain relevant later on without having to join or, in some other fashion, connect themselves to 'em. No I am not saying stop this angle because Heath Slater got insulted, nice strawman though mind if I smoke next to it? I have no say in whether this angle continues or how. I can say I am not enthralled by it because as is always the case Hunter CANNOT play a heel. He can get the cheap heat and run through the motions but he can never show his ass. He always has to be the cool guy. Yes this time it was merely at the expense of a nobody like Heath Slater. However, think about this. That line was scripted into the show. For what purpose? To give Slater a push into the limelight for a while? To advance Bryan's story? To shore up Orton's dominance? Nope. Just to remind us Trips is the wittiest smart ass. I guess it gave Show something to do besides crying, but if that's the main reason it as terrible as Show's acting. Then there is Sandow. The guy who should be involved in some sort of program with the forgotten title. He won MITB, he coveted that case and fought and threw away a friendship for that chance at a title. Cody threw it into the river and that's the last we've heard of that briefcase. Meanwhile that other briefcase is being used to fuel their biggest angle. Why didn't they just cut that match from the PPV if they had no intention of doing anything with it. Their are plenty of ways to split a tag team without making the B title look even more inconsequential. Instead Sandow is just a platform for Trips to outcool the other heels. Kennedy had more come from his run with the briefcase. I mean how does a guy who idolizes Ric Flair not know how to be a heel?
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Post by hossfan on Sept 5, 2013 19:16:16 GMT -5
If WWE has to make the Bryan/Orton storyline the focal point of Smackdown, it would make a lot more sense for them to have only one of them there at a time. You could let Bryan get some wins against flunkies Vickie Guerrero sics on him, or you can have Orton and the Shield beating up other faces on the roster who are potential enemies to the new regime.
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 5, 2013 20:36:18 GMT -5
I'm really surprised they didn't cut backstage to Big Show bawling his eyes out at the scene occurring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 23:24:33 GMT -5
Results from the past 6 shows: (this week's SD) SmackDown ends with Orton standing over Bryan with the WWE Title. (This week's RAW) Randy Orton comes out and stands with his foot on Bryan's chest, holding the title high. (8/29 Smackdown) Orton stands over Bryan to end the show. (8/26 RAW) Orton RKO’d Bryan and left him lying at The Shield’s feet to end the show. (8/23 SD) Randy Orton came out and RKO'd Daniel Bryan to end the show. (8/19 RAW) The McMahons and Randy Orton stand over the fallen body of Bryan. They raise their hands in victory as RAW goes off the air. Look, I'm a patient guy - I enjoy a nice, slow-paced storyline, but when each episode of ANY show ends pretty much the exact same way, that's not okay. It's lazy and repetitive. I'm not saying D.B. has to come out on top, but ending six straight shows with the same visual is superfluous. We GET IT. DBry is out-gunned right now. You don't need to show us it 6 times for us to get it. Let's add a new dimension to the story, give us some NEW information with your narrative. On the whole, the HHH as a corporate prick works really well. He's got the jargon and attitude down pat, but the story actually needs to progress after 3 weeks - that's all. Even if its the bad guys escalate things even further instead of the good guy getting a win - just SOMETHING People keep saying this thing isn't progressing without acknowledging the things that are progressing with this angle. This isn't just about Daniel Bryan. Cody Rhodes' part in this needs to be acknowledged. Big Show's part, even though some of it is lumped in with the weekly Daniel Bryan beatings needs to be acknowledged. Even the sitdown interview that's online, the town hall meetings, the Shield kicking Dolph Ziggler's ass at any opportunity needs to be acknowledged. I find what they're doing to be a mostly logical progression. Triple H's regime doesn't want Daniel Bryan in the main event picture, Daniel Bryan refuses to be anywhere else, the regime tries to pummel the desire out of him but Daniel Bryan refuses to quit. People say Daniel Bryan looks stupid for persisting, but the point of it is that Daniel Bryan has zero other options, if he says "I'm not wrestling tonight, you're just gonna jump me", then Triple H wins and he's not gonna book Daniel Bryan in title matches. It's pretty obvious no one helps because of the whole job security thing, but you can see trickles of dissension building. It makes perfect sense for the Daniel Bryan character to keep bumping chests with the powers that be, and it makes perfect sense for Triple H and company to be curb stomping him every week because that's their prime objective: beat some obedience into Daniel Bryan. I understand it's getting rather predictable, but for Triple H to give Daniel Bryan room to breathe for even one show would not make sense. Sometimes you gotta be predictable to tell a story, it's in the intangibles where the angle becomes more dynamic. Will Big Show be assimilated to the corporate machine or will he be the first shot against them? How is Cody gonna get his job back? When are the other faces gonna butt in? It feels like a lot of people wanna disregard the subtleties and arm themselves with a bunch of "told you sos" for when this thing falls apart. I've been "wait until it's over" guy for all the big stuff that went down, CM Punk vs. Triple H/Nash, Nexus, Kane/Cena, and my track record is pretty astronomically poor for keeping that optimism through all of them but if I go into every show just expecting absolute failure there's just no point in showing up. I truly don't believe some of us are being patient enough with this one, they mostly seem to be booking this with reason and logic. I'm not turning my back on the possibility that this angle can go south. I get that people are nervous that Daniel Bryan won't emerge from this as the star, but if this is just the beginning and Cody Rhodes is already been elevated in a big way, who knows who else will be made men by the end of it? I'm thrilled that they aren't just making it the Daniel Bryan show. Daniel Bryan got this far with his talent, the world is his, it's smart for WWE to use this to bring other guys up with him because they need to establish more guys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 23:51:55 GMT -5
Results from the past 6 shows: (this week's SD) SmackDown ends with Orton standing over Bryan with the WWE Title. (This week's RAW) Randy Orton comes out and stands with his foot on Bryan's chest, holding the title high. (8/29 Smackdown) Orton stands over Bryan to end the show. (8/26 RAW) Orton RKO’d Bryan and left him lying at The Shield’s feet to end the show. (8/23 SD) Randy Orton came out and RKO'd Daniel Bryan to end the show. (8/19 RAW) The McMahons and Randy Orton stand over the fallen body of Bryan. They raise their hands in victory as RAW goes off the air. Look, I'm a patient guy - I enjoy a nice, slow-paced storyline, but when each episode of ANY show ends pretty much the exact same way, that's not okay. It's lazy and repetitive. I'm not saying D.B. has to come out on top, but ending six straight shows with the same visual is superfluous. We GET IT. DBry is out-gunned right now. You don't need to show us it 6 times for us to get it. Let's add a new dimension to the story, give us some NEW information with your narrative. On the whole, the HHH as a corporate prick works really well. He's got the jargon and attitude down pat, but the story actually needs to progress after 3 weeks - that's all. Even if its the bad guys escalate things even further instead of the good guy getting a win - just SOMETHING People keep saying this thing isn't progressing without acknowledging the things that are progressing with this angle. This isn't just about Daniel Bryan. Cody Rhodes' part in this needs to be acknowledged. Big Show's part, even though some of it is lumped in with the weekly Daniel Bryan beatings needs to be acknowledged. Even the sitdown interview that's online, the town hall meetings, the Shield kicking Dolph Ziggler's ass at any opportunity needs to be acknowledged. I find what they're doing to be a mostly logical progression. Triple H's regime doesn't want Daniel Bryan in the main event picture, Daniel Bryan refuses to be anywhere else, the regime tries to pummel the desire out of him but Daniel Bryan refuses to quit. People say Daniel Bryan looks stupid for persisting, but the point of it is that Daniel Bryan has zero other options, if he says "I'm not wrestling tonight, you're just gonna jump me", then Triple H wins and he's not gonna book Daniel Bryan in title matches. It's pretty obvious no one helps because of the whole job security thing, but you can see trickles of dissension building. It makes perfect sense for the Daniel Bryan character to keep bumping chests with the powers that be, and it makes perfect sense for Triple H and company to be curb stomping him every week because that's their prime objective: beat some obedience into Daniel Bryan. I understand it's getting rather predictable, but for Triple H to give Daniel Bryan room to breathe for even one show would not make sense. Sometimes you gotta be predictable to tell a story, it's in the intangibles where the angle becomes more dynamic. Will Big Show be assimilated to the corporate machine or will he be the first shot against them? How is Cody gonna get his job back? When are the other faces gonna butt in? It feels like a lot of people wanna disregard the subtleties and arm themselves with a bunch of "told you sos" for when this thing falls apart. I've been "wait until it's over" guy for all the big stuff that went down, CM Punk vs. Triple H/Nash, Nexus, Kane/Cena, and my track record is pretty astronomically poor for keeping that optimism through all of them but if I go into every show just expecting absolute failure there's just no point in showing up. I truly don't believe some of us are being patient enough with this one, they mostly seem to be booking this with reason and logic. I'm not turning my back on the possibility that this angle can go south. I get that people are nervous that Daniel Bryan won't emerge from this as the star, but if this is just the beginning and Cody Rhodes is already been elevated in a big way, who knows who else will be made men by the end of it? I'm thrilled that they aren't just making it the Daniel Bryan show. Daniel Bryan got this far with his talent, the world is his, it's smart for WWE to use this to bring other guys up with him because they need to establish more guys. But are things really progressing? Cody Rhodes - fired after losing a match to Orton. Not really "progression" so much as giving the guy some time off to enjoy his honeymoon. How does this progress the story? Dolph getting beaten by the Shield on Raw, then on Smackdown - again, doesn't really progress anything. Big Show - I'll admit he's been poked and prodded most by HHH. The story is more about him at this point if you ask me. It's like, "Ok send Bryan out there to get beaten up so we can do more stuff with Big Show." Which, is alright, but when anyone who saw Summerslam is foaming at the mouth for Night of Champions (more specifically the build towards Bryan vs Orton), this whole Big Show thing just seems...really random. When people say, "The story isn't progressing." I think they are talking about Bryan vs Orton (HHH, McMahon) because that was the program we're all going to (potentially) by the PPV for.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 5, 2013 23:58:21 GMT -5
It's with major storylines in general and not exclusive to right now but I never get the people who are all like "I've been burned too many times by WWE so I'm not going to wait and see where it goes this time, sorry." .....Then they are obviously still watching what's going on and discussing it in detail. Newsflash, if you're still watching then waiting and seeing is EXACTLY what you're doing. Basically what you're really saying is "oh, I'm still going to watch but get ready, because I'm going to complain A LOT." It's always weird when people put a little spin on something that isn't there. Most people who are complaining about the progression of the storyline aren't saying they're giving up on watching wrestling. Then again, if they continue to watch, people then bitch them out for still watching when they're simply airing their opinion. It's a catch 22 no matter what happens, because those who like what's happening feel the need to shit all anyone who doesn't agree with them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 0:55:28 GMT -5
People keep saying this thing isn't progressing without acknowledging the things that are progressing with this angle. This isn't just about Daniel Bryan. Cody Rhodes' part in this needs to be acknowledged. Big Show's part, even though some of it is lumped in with the weekly Daniel Bryan beatings needs to be acknowledged. Even the sitdown interview that's online, the town hall meetings, the Shield kicking Dolph Ziggler's ass at any opportunity needs to be acknowledged. I find what they're doing to be a mostly logical progression. Triple H's regime doesn't want Daniel Bryan in the main event picture, Daniel Bryan refuses to be anywhere else, the regime tries to pummel the desire out of him but Daniel Bryan refuses to quit. People say Daniel Bryan looks stupid for persisting, but the point of it is that Daniel Bryan has zero other options, if he says "I'm not wrestling tonight, you're just gonna jump me", then Triple H wins and he's not gonna book Daniel Bryan in title matches. It's pretty obvious no one helps because of the whole job security thing, but you can see trickles of dissension building. It makes perfect sense for the Daniel Bryan character to keep bumping chests with the powers that be, and it makes perfect sense for Triple H and company to be curb stomping him every week because that's their prime objective: beat some obedience into Daniel Bryan. I understand it's getting rather predictable, but for Triple H to give Daniel Bryan room to breathe for even one show would not make sense. Sometimes you gotta be predictable to tell a story, it's in the intangibles where the angle becomes more dynamic. Will Big Show be assimilated to the corporate machine or will he be the first shot against them? How is Cody gonna get his job back? When are the other faces gonna butt in? It feels like a lot of people wanna disregard the subtleties and arm themselves with a bunch of "told you sos" for when this thing falls apart. I've been "wait until it's over" guy for all the big stuff that went down, CM Punk vs. Triple H/Nash, Nexus, Kane/Cena, and my track record is pretty astronomically poor for keeping that optimism through all of them but if I go into every show just expecting absolute failure there's just no point in showing up. I truly don't believe some of us are being patient enough with this one, they mostly seem to be booking this with reason and logic. I'm not turning my back on the possibility that this angle can go south. I get that people are nervous that Daniel Bryan won't emerge from this as the star, but if this is just the beginning and Cody Rhodes is already been elevated in a big way, who knows who else will be made men by the end of it? I'm thrilled that they aren't just making it the Daniel Bryan show. Daniel Bryan got this far with his talent, the world is his, it's smart for WWE to use this to bring other guys up with him because they need to establish more guys. But are things really progressing? Cody Rhodes - fired after losing a match to Orton. Not really "progression" so much as giving the guy some time off to enjoy his honeymoon. How does this progress the story? Dolph getting beaten by the Shield on Raw, then on Smackdown - again, doesn't really progress anything. Maybe we're crossed on what counts as progress and what doesn't. I find that these both certainly count, Cody Rhodes set a precedent as to what stands to happen to anyone who even remotely tries to stick up for Daniel Bryan and Dolph's treatment as well, making Cody and Dolph two guys who we'll seemingly have to keep our eyes out for later on. They aren't major arcs but they definitely gotta be considered part of moving this story along. Ehhh I don't know, this critique feels like part of the paranoia (which, again, I understand completely) that Bryan is not gonna walk away from this storyline better than he came into it. I think the worst part of it was how much WWE had to stretch to establish Show's supposed friendship with Bryan, and his financial woes which I admittedly give them a pass for because it led to what I found a cool scenario of Show having to punch Bryan even though it's the last thing he wants to do. Bryan still feels like the focus through all the Big Show stuff to me, it seemed pretty well orchestrated that yeah, they wanted Bryan out there to get Show to do heinous things so he'll fall in line, but if he wasn't being so namby pamby about all their beating up Daniel Bryan in the first place, they'd still beat up Daniel Bryan. They used Big Show because of the circumstances, but bottom line is Daniel Bryan is gonna get his ass kicked every week until he plays by their rules, that's been their prerogative right out of the chute I'll give you this point. If we focus in on Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton, there isn't a lot of progression there. I don't really know how you can right now, I thought Daniel Bryan's promo last Monday was really strong in declaring what their dynamic is, the golden boy who was born into it, vs. the scrapper who had to fight every inch of the way to even come close. Other than that I don't know how they could book them. We'll see what they have in store for the go home show. There are a lot of moving parts right now and all this side stuff could come into play at NOC, but it might not. WWE are kind of in a tight spot with this angle. It's been so long since we got something as deliberately paced like this, but unlike Nexus and other big angles it doesn't strike me as if it's running under fear of failure or complacency. I find myself really fascinated as I don't know if WWE have ever built up antagonists as relentless as Triple H's corporation, and even though Night of Champions might suffer for it, I'm really hooked into this storyline and I really hope they can keep it going up until Wrestlemania, but in order to go that long you have to move kind of slowly (Just think of Nexus, they tried moving so fast they ran out of things to do in a matter of weeks). I understand it gets repetitive at times, but as long as there appears to be a reason for it I find it acceptable.
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