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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 4, 2013 17:58:12 GMT -5
And when I say "crack", I don't mean just the faces winning matches or ending the shows looking good, I mean actual real disarray until we're like one week away from Hell In A Cell. This is the first time in like eons WWE's had a truly dominant heel faction (I consider SHIELD a tag team), and I really don't want to see this go the way of the Nexus too soon.
Right now, they're very lucky to be working with a top face as over and as built up as Bryan, who (IMO) is easily in a strong enough position to be tormented and beaten by them for a while without losing any thunder- due to how huge he's been built up over the past few months. The only other faces whose credibility could withstand all this are Punk (preoccupied, at least for the moment) and Cena and Sheamus (both on DL). Put Kofi in this spot and it would destroy him.
Personally, I think the Regime's in a way more delicate position right now (due to WWE's heel stable track record lately), but at least so far they're getting the nourishment they need.
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Post by RedSmile on Sept 4, 2013 18:01:17 GMT -5
And when I say "crack", I don't mean just the faces winning matches or ending the shows looking good, I mean actual real disarray until we're like one week away from Hell In A Cell. This is the first time in like eons WWE's had a truly dominant heel faction (I consider SHIELD a tag team), and I really don't want to see this go the way of the Nexus too soon. Right now, they're very lucky to be working with a top face as over and as built up as Bryan, who (IMO) is easily in a strong enough position to be tormented and beaten by them for a while without losing any thunder- due to how huge he's been built up over the past few months. The only other faces whose credibility could withstand all this are Punk (preoccupied, at least for the moment) and Cena and Sheamus (both on DL). Put Kofi in this spot and it would destroy him. Personally, I think the Regime's in a way more delicate position right now (due to WWE's heel stable track record lately), but at least so far they're getting the nourishment they need. You are going to make a lot of Fannies cry doing this!!! I'm in!
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Post by Cry Baby on Sept 4, 2013 18:08:55 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't mind seeing it go on a little longer, but at the same time I could see how that would be difficult. You need to let the good guy win eventually, but I hope it's the start of something that could ultimately resolve at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 18:09:36 GMT -5
They need to go full on dictatorship with it with huge pictures of HHH hanging around the arena, discriminating against jobbers, etc. May as well go all out with it.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Sept 4, 2013 18:10:12 GMT -5
Well yeah, even some of the people who outright hate the angle here don't want the New Corporation to be deflated too early. Bryan should get some small victories here and there, do stuff that's more over the top than defacing Orton's cars, but not get his first big shot until he wins the Royal Rumble or any RAW in January. I think you raised a good point. Even with how well The Shield were booked earlier this year (and things seem okay enough for the Wyatts), the WWE still doesn't have the best track record with credible heels. Something that can be fixed very quickly if this plays out well.
The heels need to be as dominant as possible before Bryan and others start making dents in their armor.
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Post by RedSmile on Sept 4, 2013 18:13:51 GMT -5
They need to go full on dictatorship with it with huge pictures of HHH hanging around the arena, discriminating against jobbers, etc. May as well go all out with it. A la, North Korea?!?! SOLD!
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Post by Lancers on Sept 4, 2013 18:15:40 GMT -5
It's harder when you got roughly 5 hours of weekly programming dedicated to the story. I know, I know, not every feud or match has its fingerprints on the main narrative, but almost every backstage skit seems to focus on it.
I agree that a slower burn is the ideal scenario, but too much focus is going to bleed this story dry quicker than it should.
They can stretch it out, but they're gonna have to add and delete members. Hell, dump Orton the second he loses the belt. Have them sell their souls to the corporate regime to get into the title picture (like Christian looking for one more match). There are ways to keep it interesting, it's just that it will require some nuance and clever writing, two things I'm fearful of coming from people who have to do what Vince wants.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 4, 2013 18:27:43 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think some people are giving the average fan enough credit here in terms of sticking with Bryan through the tough times. This is a guy that should have been DONE as a main event player after WrestleMania 28, yet the crowds wouldn't have it. This is a guy who is getting probably the biggest unanimous consistent face pop in the whole company, and has been for months...
Yet, judging by some reactions, the casuals are apparently going to be so fickle as to abandon him now just because he's taking a lot of lumps from a group that are clearly not playing fair.
I'm not watching this stuff, so I have to ask... Are his pops actually getting smaller? Or are they as crazy as ever?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 4, 2013 18:33:52 GMT -5
You got to add a few more people before the Corporation starts to crack. And the reason I say that is because it should be Rollins and Reigns breaking away from the regime, and becoming faces. They can't break away if there's nobody there to replace them. Like I've posted in another thread, you have Rollins and Reigns lose a match, which pisses off Triple H. Rollins loses a singles match, thanks to botched interference, Trips demands Reigns spears Rollins, Reigns spears Trips instead, and Rollins and Reigns join the war against the regime. I'm not watching this stuff, so I have to ask... Are his pops actually getting smaller? Or are they as crazy as ever? They're just as crazy as ever, and the heat on Trips and Orton has been big.
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 4, 2013 18:37:21 GMT -5
If DB doesn't start winning or atleast stop looking like a total jobber geek (as he did in that match with Big Show on RAW), then I could easily see casual fans losing interest in him and thinking of him as another Zack Ryder or something.
Because on RAW, the story was that Big Show wasn't even really trying in that match and yet he still totally dominated with Bryan barely getting any offense in. That one match did more damage than just about anything else related to this storyline, and they need something big to help build DB up again.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 4, 2013 18:40:43 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think some people are giving the average fan enough credit here in terms of sticking with Bryan through the tough times. This is a guy that should have been DONE as a main event player after WrestleMania 28, yet the crowds wouldn't have it. This is a guy who is getting probably the biggest unanimous consistent face pop in the whole company, and has been for months... Yet, judging by some reactions, the casuals are apparently going to be so fickle as to abandon him now just because he's taking a lot of lumps from a group that are clearly not playing fair. I'm not watching this stuff, so I have to ask... Are his pops actually getting smaller? Or are they as crazy as ever? Not at all. It's like Ryder, the crowds will abandon you if you just can't cut the mustard performance wise. And that's why ideally, if I had the book, Bryan wouldn't truly make "the dent" in HHH's armor until like mid-November. For one thing, after KOing Cena stupid, straight up and distraction free (not to mention already making Orton tap two months ago) he got shot up to such an upper echelon where he's got plenty of "lump-taking capital" to burn without looking like a scrub. Also, like I said, this is the first time in years such a dark cloud has spread over the WWE Universe storyline wise. It's inevitable Bryan will get his belt back, but they've got a chance to make something truly memorable in the meantime.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 4, 2013 18:41:23 GMT -5
If DB doesn't start winning or atleast stop looking like a total jobber geek (as he did in that match with Big Show on RAW), then I could easily see casual fans losing interest in him and thinking of him as another Zack Ryder or something. Because on RAW, the story was that Big Show wasn't even really trying in that match and yet he still totally dominated with Bryan barely getting any offense in. That one match did more damage than just about anything else related to this storyline, and they need something big to help build DB up again. Nah, Ryder never beat Cena clean. Also, people started to lose interest in Ryder once we got him, we've gotten D-Bry for a long time, hell he's been one of the main focal points of Raw for over a year, and people haven't lost interest in him. D-Bry's got "it", and fans won't abandon him. Jericho lost a crapload of matches, and fans didn't abandon Jericho.
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Post by Lancers on Sept 4, 2013 18:42:48 GMT -5
I thought him being antagonistic towards the Big Show wasn't very smart writing. He had no reason to have an attitude with him. It actually made Big Show look more sympathetic. Bryan was, interestingly enough, an afterthought after the opening segment. The focus was on Cody and Show after that point.
I like having others get victimized looking for revenge, but as I alluded to earlier, they're burning through stuff quicker than they should. They could have done the Cody angle on Smackdown as the last segment of the show. A real main event caliber match. Instead, tossed in the middle part of RAW. It gets overlooked due to the final segment of Big Show being forced to punch a man he has no issues with.
It's not just the fans, I don't even think the creative staff has the patience either.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Sept 4, 2013 18:55:32 GMT -5
I agree, but I don't think they should have The Corporation standing tall over DB every single show until November. That's getting really boring even. You've got to give fans some form of hope at the end of the show eventually.
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Post by RedSmile on Sept 4, 2013 19:00:23 GMT -5
I thought him being antagonistic towards the Big Show wasn't very smart writing. He had no reason to have an attitude with him. It actually made Big Show look more sympathetic. Bryan was, interestingly enough, an afterthought after the opening segment. The focus was on Cody and Show after that point. I like having others get victimized looking for revenge, but as I alluded to earlier, they're burning through stuff quicker than they should. They could have done the Cody angle on Smackdown as the last segment of the show. A real main event caliber match. Instead, tossed in the middle part of RAW. It gets overlooked due to the final segment of Big Show being forced to punch a man he has no issues with. It's not just the fans, I don't even think the creative staff has the patience either. I'm surprised Show didn't just let Bryan win. Finger poke of DOOM and all that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 4, 2013 19:09:46 GMT -5
You got to add a few more people before the Corporation starts to crack. And the reason I say that is because it should be Rollins and Reigns breaking away from the regime, and becoming faces. They can't break away if there's nobody there to replace them. Like I've posted in another thread, you have Rollins and Reigns lose a match, which pisses off Triple H. Rollins loses a singles match, thanks to botched interference, Trips demands Reigns spears Rollins, Reigns spears Trips instead, and Rollins and Reigns join the war against the regime. I'm not watching this stuff, so I have to ask... Are his pops actually getting smaller? Or are they as crazy as ever? They're just as crazy as ever, and the heat on Trips and Orton has been big. But who can join the Corporation at this point? The one person who should (Big Show) is being portrayed as the primary threat.
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Post by Sc on Sept 4, 2013 19:13:47 GMT -5
Yet, judging by some reactions, the casuals are apparently going to be so fickle as to abandon him now just because he's taking a lot of lumps from a group that are clearly not playing fair. I think a lot of the people saying that are Daniel Bryan marks that just don't want to see him getting beat down a lot and/or are terrified of him losing his spot at the top. Imagine what the reaction is going to be on here when Big Show finally attacks the Corporation and winds up taking the top spot by either facing Randy Orton for the WWE Title or Triple H .
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 4, 2013 19:18:00 GMT -5
You got to add a few more people before the Corporation starts to crack. And the reason I say that is because it should be Rollins and Reigns breaking away from the regime, and becoming faces. They can't break away if there's nobody there to replace them. Like I've posted in another thread, you have Rollins and Reigns lose a match, which pisses off Triple H. Rollins loses a singles match, thanks to botched interference, Trips demands Reigns spears Rollins, Reigns spears Trips instead, and Rollins and Reigns join the war against the regime. They're just as crazy as ever, and the heat on Trips and Orton has been big. But who can join the Corporation at this point? The one person who should (Big Show) is being portrayed as the primary threat. Wade, Truth, Fandango (let him run as Triple H's chosen IC Champ), and Sandow.
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Post by cool guy on Sept 4, 2013 19:21:04 GMT -5
You got to add a few more people before the Corporation starts to crack. And the reason I say that is because it should be Rollins and Reigns breaking away from the regime, and becoming faces. They can't break away if there's nobody there to replace them. Like I've posted in another thread, you have Rollins and Reigns lose a match, which pisses off Triple H. Rollins loses a singles match, thanks to botched interference, Trips demands Reigns spears Rollins, Reigns spears Trips instead, and Rollins and Reigns join the war against the regime. They're just as crazy as ever, and the heat on Trips and Orton has been big. But who can join the Corporation at this point? The one person who should (Big Show) is being portrayed as the primary threat. Won't Sheamus be back in two or three months? He could arrive just in time to start being a major playor for either side.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 4, 2013 19:21:25 GMT -5
But who can join the Corporation at this point? The one person who should (Big Show) is being portrayed as the primary threat. Bertie, Truth, Fandango (let him run as Triple H's chosen IC Champ), and Sandow. Truth sounds interesting. But Alberto, Sandow, and to some extent Fandango, all seem like the type who think too highly of themselves to do dirty work for someone else.
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